Yes it’s sad that both guys tested positive for 'roids, but at least the CSAC has a drug policy that actually punishes its athletes for using illegal levels of performance enhancing drugs. Both of these guys should’ve known better, although it is nice to see Franca admitting his mistake.
I feel bad for Sherk. He’s got a family to feed and I doubt he’s got a lot saved up, seeing as how his payouts aren’t very high. A 1-year suspension is going to hurt him, and hurt him when the suspension is over, as his pay will be lower than what it is now (which isn’t very high).
What the hell is with these stupid conspiracy theories. Of course the CSAC tests are not “random”, they test every damn fighter who walks into the cage/ring in that state.
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While I have appreciated your input in the past, I am not 100% sure that you are correct about that. The CSAC website dosen’t implicitly state there is a guaranteed drug test for every fighter, before every fight, rather they claim to ‘be prepared’ to be tested. Unless of course you yourself have fought in a CSAC sanctioned event or know someone who has, Im going to guess that “every damn fighter” is not in fact tested.
However, your point about the CSAC/NSAC etc being the one to determine who gets tested, and not Zuffa, is noted. Not trying to start any conspiracy theories thanks. As sad as it may sound, I was being totally serious.
What the hell is with these stupid conspiracy theories. Of course the CSAC tests are not “random”, they test every damn fighter who walks into the cage/ring in that state.
While I have appreciated your input in the past, I am not 100% sure that you are correct about that. The CSAC website dosen’t implicitly state there is a guaranteed drug test for every fighter, before every fight, rather they claim to ‘be prepared’ to be tested. Unless of course you yourself have fought in a CSAC sanctioned event or know someone who has, Im going to guess that “every damn fighter” is not in fact tested.
However, your point about the CSAC/NSAC etc being the one to determine who gets tested, and not Zuffa, is noted. Not trying to start any conspiracy theories thanks. As sad as it may sound, I was being totally serious. [/quote]
OK, I was a little callous simply because everywhere I go there are innumerable threads about similar conspiracies. I was venting at the notion that has become popular that somehow Dana White somehow controls every facet of the sport behind the curtains.
Looking more into it, you are correct, CSAC does not in fact have a policy to test every single fighter. However, only within the past year has CSAC even begun to test for performance enhancing drugs, and Armando Garcia has made it his prerogative to test every fighter until the rash of positive tests dies off. For now, they are testing cards top to bottom.
[quote]Steve4192 wrote:
Donut62 wrote:
Keep in mind, Marquardt tested positive for the same substance at similar levels and was able to get his failed test overturned. It’s not over just yet for Sherk.
IIRC, Marquardt’s suspension was overturned because his A and B samples yielded different results, indicating there was a laboratory error. Sounds like both of Sherk’s samples flunked, so his chances of winning an appeal are much slimmer.[/quote]
I didn’t know about the discrepancy between Nate’s A&B samples. I had heard that Nate was able to show that an over the counter pro hormone he was taking at the time (which was not on the banned substance list) was responsible for his positive test.
[quote]CaliforniaLaw wrote:
The MMA boards are hilarious. Pretty much anyone with muscle “must be” on steroids. Man, we have our ignorant newbies here. But the worst on this site are better than 90% of people on MMA boards. [/quote]
My original account got banned at Sherdog in a thread about steroids. I don’t even try to go into the matter anymore.
[quote]Donut62 wrote:
Steve4192 wrote:
Donut62 wrote:
Keep in mind, Marquardt tested positive for the same substance at similar levels and was able to get his failed test overturned. It’s not over just yet for Sherk.
IIRC, Marquardt’s suspension was overturned because his A and B samples yielded different results, indicating there was a laboratory error. Sounds like both of Sherk’s samples flunked, so his chances of winning an appeal are much slimmer.
I didn’t know about the discrepancy between Nate’s A&B samples. I had heard that Nate was able to show that an over the counter pro hormone he was taking at the time (which was not on the banned substance list) was responsible for his positive test.[/quote]
I’m not sure if he was able to prove where it came from but he did say he only took 3 supplements and named them.
He took follow up tests in Vegas and Denver which showed no sign of the steroid so his suspension was overturned.
[quote]CaliforniaLaw wrote:
The MMA boards are hilarious. Pretty much anyone with muscle “must be” on steroids. Man, we have our ignorant newbies here. But the worst on this site are better than 90% of people on MMA boards. [/quote]
The best post I ever saw was a guy claiming some fighters in the UFC were drug cheats (Couture, Sherk, etc) and the PRIDE fighters were not because the PRIDE fighters “did not look like they take steroids”! Funny stuff.
[quote]gotaknife wrote:
CaliforniaLaw wrote:
The MMA boards are hilarious. Pretty much anyone with muscle “must be” on steroids. Man, we have our ignorant newbies here. But the worst on this site are better than 90% of people on MMA boards.
The best post I ever saw was a guy claiming some fighters in the UFC were drug cheats (Couture, Sherk, etc) and the PRIDE fighters were not because the PRIDE fighters “did not look like they take steroids”! Funny stuff. [/quote]
Yea their ignorance irritates me, “Sherk obviously was on roids, just look at him”.
[quote]CaliforniaLaw wrote:
The MMA boards are hilarious. Pretty much anyone with muscle “must be” on steroids. Man, we have our ignorant newbies here. But the worst on this site are better than 90% of people on MMA boards. [/quote]
The prevalence of mental retardation on MMA forums is impressive. According to their world-view, if you are not obese, you are using steroids. They are also convinced that steroids give you skills. That’s why I never posts on MMA forums.
Sean Sherk is going to appeal. Anyone with enough knowledge on endocrinology or pharmacology care to comment on how likely it is for the test to be a false positive?
If Sherk’s appeal fails, he will surely be stripped of the belt. I guess BJ will be LW champ by years end.
[quote]Reef wrote:
Not too shocked by Sherk since he looks like a bodybuilder competing in MMA. Of course his physique can be attained naturally, it’s just that for MMA, he definitely stands out.
Phil Barone was also caught a couple weeks ago after his fight with Frank Shamrock.[/quote]
Baroni’s fight was also in California…
so why did Hermes Franca also test positive? He dosnt look like a bodybuilder
[quote]gotaknife wrote:
CaliforniaLaw wrote:
The MMA boards are hilarious. Pretty much anyone with muscle “must be” on steroids. Man, we have our ignorant newbies here. But the worst on this site are better than 90% of people on MMA boards.
The best post I ever saw was a guy claiming some fighters in the UFC were drug cheats (Couture, Sherk, etc) and the PRIDE fighters were not because the PRIDE fighters “did not look like they take steroids”! Funny stuff. [/quote]
That isn’t even the worst of it. There should be a Sherdog greatest hits or something.
so why did Hermes Franca also test positive? He dosnt look like a bodybuilder[/quote]
Nor do the most infamous juicers in MMA history. Fatbody UFC HW champions Josh Barnett & Tim Sylvia were stripped of their belts after pissing hot, and stick-figure legend Royce Gracie shocked the world when he failed his whiz quiz.
[quote]Xylene wrote:
Guess they cut-out the gear part.
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man, I really want to bone that chick
I believe that the recent rash of positive tests is the result of more stringent (and more inclusive with regards to the number of fighters they are testing) testing on the part of the CSAC. I do not believe that drug use in MMA dwarfs other sports by any means, just look at the size of our average football player these days as opposed to twenty years ago, I think its just that the other major sports were part of the drug testing process when testing was in its infancy and their atheletes are much more sophisticated with the performance enhancers they use and the methods they use to pass these tests.
I for one, am very suprised that these guys are using deca of all drugs, I can understand Equipoise due to the cardio and lean mass benefits, but it seems that deca would not be the steroid of choice for MMA guys even with its much purported joint-benefits.
[quote]Kalle wrote:
so why did Hermes Franca also test positive? He dosnt look like a bodybuilder[/quote]
Franca said that he used during his training for the Sherk fight. He got an ankle injury during his training and used some gear to recover faster.
All this was from Franca himself.
so why did Hermes Franca also test positive? He dosnt look like a bodybuilder
Nor do the most infamous juicers in MMA history. Fatbody UFC HW champions Josh Barnett & Tim Sylvia were stripped of their belts after pissing hot, and stick-figure legend Royce Gracie shocked the world when he failed his whiz quiz.[/quote]
Sorry I forgot the [sarcasm][/sarcasm] things, I was commententing on the poster who said he wasnt suprised Sherk tested positive because “he looks like a bodybuilder”
