[quote]shaunar25 wrote:
and ANY fitness magazine…I especially love how, I think it was Muscle and Fitness for HER, put Kim Kardashian on the cover for being “fit”…if any one even saw 5 secs of her workout videos (we were clicking through On Demand and clicked on it out of curiosity) you would not only realize this was the MOST bullshit bananas thing that could ever be considered a workout…but you might blow chunks…be prepared.
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She even came out with a new fat burner quick time QT I beleived- saw it for the first time last friday. It might come with a free cupon for lipo and tips on yow to feel full eating one carrot.- lol
nlmain - it is a sad sad world when reality TV isn’t present just for mind numbing entertainment when you have had too much booze…
…it now rules the world and all the morons who are famous for being nothing more than hot sluts now are the main beneficiaries of capitalism instead of the people who improve our world through scientific research and technological expansion (and I’m not referring to iphones or the like).
MIM - you are absolutely right. That’s why strength has to be an attraction rather than promotion endeavor. Unless a person really wants it, it is useless…think cbear’s brother’s gf.
Funny, from all these squat assessment going on around here, I looked back on my video and immediately pointed out like 5 things I need to work on for correct form! My knees are coming out too far, my chest needs to stay higher, and I need more flexibility in my hips.
I always hated fitness magazines. Even as a kid, I guess I was always enough of a contrarian to resent the info on the cereal boxes assuming that absolutely everyone wants to go on a diet. (“I’m six years old! I don’t want to diet! Screw you, Special K, I am not having you instead of dinner.”) On a more serious note, I did know a girl with an eating disorder who loved Self and Fitness and stuff like that – they weren’t helping her any.
Really, what bugs me about the whole business is the tone that fosters female anxiety and vulnerability. Sure, all kinds of people from time to time want to drop fat: wrestlers, the medically overweight, people who want to look good nekked. Nothing wrong with that. But it’s only women who get told that smallness is the secret of all happiness. There’s a lot of bullshit encouraging us to be fearful and irrational. I’m convinced it’s far better for your head if you have some practical, non-body-image-related, performance goals.
That’s why I’ve decided to make it my mission to train for strength…and hopefully ‘attract,’ other women by my hotness
I have one client who’s goal is to build strength, which is awesome!!! no mention of ‘toning,’ either…
It’s funny, I’ve been asked how I’ve lost weight and stuff…and I say, ‘by a strict diet, and lifting weights.’ And most of the time I get responses like ‘oh I could never do that!’
exactly…thats why you are doing endless hours on that stupid elliptical, and eating your ice cream sandwiches at night wondering what it takes to lose the weight!!
Duh! I hope more women will have lightbulb moments…
But it’s such an engrained stereotype that I don’t think it will ever go away…
Alisa - exactly. Couldn’t have said it better myself.
Honestly, it is all really created by two things; one is the corporate push to sell women products they don’t need, but manipulating a social standard that tells them they need it and breaks them down slowly with marketing…this is why cosmetics, fashion, diet businesses, and plastic surgery are multi-million dollar industries. The other is unfortunately women themselves. Often times women jump through all these hoops, not because of guys (although they are definitely NOT innocent, any legit guy isn’t going to care what the fuck kind of clothes, shoes, or make-up you wear), but for other women. It is the competition between women that is rooted deeply in natural selection. We are a culture based on visual stimuli, so if you are more attractive than your other female competition for a male mate, you will be chosen and will reproduce. As primitive as it sounds, we function on that basic level. The trick is, like MIM points out, to find not only a partner that accepts you for all you are (I am very lucky), but to be the change you want to see; to be fit and healthy and strong and not have your self-worth come down to what size jeans you wear or how long you eye lashes are. Really, a medication for longer eyelashes…really?
This makes me wonder if lesbians have it better or worse with all the estrogen floating around?
Deja, Bobbi…any input? I would like to know if/how the dynamic differs in the younger gay community. I grew up around older gay men and women, so I would be interested to hear what it is like in a more youthful atmosphere.
Honestly, it is all really created by two things; one is the corporate push to sell women products they don’t need, but manipulating a social standard that tells them they need it and breaks them down slowly with marketing…this is why cosmetics, fashion, diet businesses, and plastic surgery are multi-million dollar industries. The other is unfortunately women themselves. Often times women jump through all these hoops, not because of guys (although they are definitely NOT innocent, any legit guy isn’t going to care what the fuck kind of clothes, shoes, or make-up you wear), but for other women. [/quote]
that’s where ur wrong. the harshest critics aren’t other women… they’re gay men. the standard they hold women to is exhausting. lol srsly tho!
but regarding the estrogen thing and if it’s better or worse…
i don’t know… i think most people fall somewhere on a continuum (sp) of male/female traits. so it really depends what kind of “girl” ur with. regardless… i think things like dilligence, patience, understanding, selflessness, and matching libidos have more to do with relationship success then the masculine/feminine traits we have.
personally i can’t put up with short tempers… which is a very male trait. so it irritates me in chicks. but i love the typical male libido and ability to fix/build things… so i look for those traits in chicks.
estrogen makes us all emotional whiney hard to please motha fuckas… but the curves are worth it. =+)
ah shit. sorry for replying to this in a drunk and stoned state. it’s my last afternoon milking for TWO months so i’m “celebrating”. and dem bengals won again. woot!
Honestly, it is all really created by two things; one is the corporate push to sell women products they don’t need, but manipulating a social standard that tells them they need it and breaks them down slowly with marketing…this is why cosmetics, fashion, diet businesses, and plastic surgery are multi-million dollar industries. The other is unfortunately women themselves. Often times women jump through all these hoops, not because of guys (although they are definitely NOT innocent, any legit guy isn’t going to care what the fuck kind of clothes, shoes, or make-up you wear), but for other women.
that’s where ur wrong. the harshest critics aren’t other women… they’re gay men. the standard they hold women to is exhausting. lol srsly tho!
Oh.
This isn’t everyone of course – but freakishly skinny gay guys just make me kind of sad. One of them goes to my gym; he’s a nice guy, very smart, but he seems to be afraid that nobody would like him if he ate.
Yeah, everyone has their own aesthetics, I get it. But from my perspective it’s seems like a waste. If you’re going to bench diligently every week, you may as well eat enough to see progress.
Haha I think it depends on so many factors. In Miami the gay community as a whole was so welcoming and powerful and happy. Here in Columbus, Ohio there is a very different vibe amongst gays. Most take it offensively to be called gay where as in Miami if you were called gay (didn’t matter if you were gay or strait) you took it as a compliment because gay was synonymous with cultured, educated, well-spoken and wealthy. The gay girls that I have met here are very cliquey, stand-offish, and defensive, ergo, all my friend in Miami were gays and all my friends in Ohio are strait men.
I do have to say, however, that the gay men are typically very nice to me, mostly because I’m ‘femme’ and they like my clothes.haha
PS I agree that women are much harder on other women than men. I hang around single strait men all day and it amazes me how easy they are to please.
This makes me wonder if lesbians have it better or worse with all the estrogen floating around?
Deja, Bobbi…any input? I would like to know if/how the dynamic differs in the younger gay community. I grew up around older gay men and women, so I would be interested to hear what it is like in a more youthful atmosphere.[/quote]
i’ll make the assumption you didn’t know i was on that team rather than that you considered me in the non-youthful group.
This makes me wonder if lesbians have it better or worse with all the estrogen floating around?
Deja, Bobbi…any input? I would like to know if/how the dynamic differs in the younger gay community. I grew up around older gay men and women, so I would be interested to hear what it is like in a more youthful atmosphere.
i’ll make the assumption you didn’t know i was on that team rather than that you considered me in the non-youthful group.
just giving you some pewp, Shauna…
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Ha! Had no idea:) You are more than included…btw, your ass looks hot in those squat vids…form looks good too, ya know:)
thanx for the props on mah ass…i happen to likes it very much.
i did lots of squats today (will post tomorrow) and tried like hell to work on form. took my chooz off even! the forward lean, damnit! i know this hip tightness is affecting me. even with no weight, i see something funny going on once i start dropping down. i need better video, so i can get some more critiquing.
I really like this woman and her site. She has been pretty consumed with a local food magazine she is doing right now out of Canada, but her site, stumptuous.com, was the first site I found a year+ ago when I wanted to find some sites specifically for women. I think her narrow stance and high bar placement is crazy, but her depth and upright form is unreal.
So true. I have seen so many different forms just in the few women who I started training with…and that is just within powerlifting style! They do super wide to feet completely together stance, bar higher to lower, front, zercher, overhead, everything.
I also know of the Olympic style, bodybuilding style, and , clearly, powerlifting style. I guess all my research and advise is currently geared towards powerlifting since that is what my training is for.
Bobbi, if I’m not on the right track with what you are refering to, I’d love to learn more:)
[quote]rcfromdb wrote:
That’s what I meant. I find it’s helpful to find out what people are trying to do as not everyone is a powerlifter gasp! ;)[/quote]
well, everyone should be:)…I kid, I kid. i actually have no real desire right now to do PL in any super competitive way. I just love training for it. It is different than the BB type workouts I used to do and i just enjoy it more than any other athletic endeavor I have ever done.
I do understand what you are saying. I have read a fair amount by now that I do feel, IMO of course, that regardless of what form you do, there is a foundation of squat skill that one should have to go on from there to perform other variations of squats correctly as well. Again, I say this fully aware that my form is nowhere near prime, not really even good in my eyes, but I digress. I do not really understand the quad dominate squat, such as the bodybuilding squat, because for what i have learned a true squat form is not dependent, nor should be, on the quads. Also, I truly have no experience, at least that i know of, with Olympic squatting, so I have no opinion on that…yet:0 i suppose I am biased from that way I was taught that the “powerlifting” squat really represents the foundational squat and embodies the true form of what a squat should be. However, you could think i am talking out of my ass, so in the end, everyone is going to do what they prefer.
