Seriously, Lixy

Off Topic Politics and World Issues
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[quote]JeffR wrote:
orion wrote:
John S. wrote:
We drop bombs when there is a huge collection of TERRORISTS, Your friends blow there retarded asses up to kill 1 or 2 soldiers and 20-30 kids.(And war is not pretty, when you play by rules of war which means no blowing your ass up innocent deaths are minimal). If you see it as the same you are fucking retarded

Tsk. tsk. tsk.

I doubt that your soldier to civilian rate is better.

The air raids on Somalia are a good example.

And I still do not get why you think that anyone around the world gives a shit if you meant well after a bomb has wiped out his family, let alone that what you call a terrorist another man might call a freedom fighter or martyr.

And Lixy has one point:

If they had carriers and planes and bombs they would not use suicide bombers.

Would you feel better if they had enough money to nuke you?

Would that be more honorable?

As honorable as US bombs? You know, them being dropped from 30000 feet at no risk for the pilot whatsoever…

When it comes to the mindless adoration for the US military, the US flag or the US anthem and the paradigm that US lives are just worth more than the average human being, Lixy is spot on.

Hey orion,

Produce one quote from any poster saying American lives are more valuable that Iraqi civilians and I’ll buy you a new bicycle.

When you fail in this quest, please drop that from your bilious rhetoric.

Deal?

Thanks in advance.

JeffR

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I very much doubt that anyone is going to say that out loud, but looking in from the outside you cannot help but notice.

We have all seen the reaction to the 3000 dead on 9,11 and the 30 at Virginia tech.

If someone asked how come nobody grieved as much for the millions that died since WW2 because of US interventions or the 30 people dying in Iraq every day, it ws considered to be very bad taste.

How dares anyone to insinuate that there might be a connection between 9,11, people dancing in the streets and Americas action in the past.

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[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
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The problem is, I don’t think there is a “conservative” here that believes the US to be flawless. I don’t. I am perfectly willing to have a legitimate conversation on the topic.

However, usually - especially in the dullard Lixy’s case - it is never a good faith argument. Every premise - and I mean every - starts with the notion that there is an oppressor and an oppressee, and that any “bad stuff” in the world stems from that ubiquitous relationship, and the US is always, in every category, the oppressor.
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Good post.

Lixy is a troll. He is not the only one here and these trolls bring down the level of discussion on this board.

They come here with bad faith and never engage in true discussion of issues.

Whether it is lixy with his relentless anti-American propaganda or 100meters/lumpy with his pro-Democrat anti-Republican agenda these guys will spin and lie and will not admit the truth if it is counter to their cause.

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[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Wreckless wrote:
HH, you of all people shouldn’t use the word “seriously”, seriously.

And thunderbolt, you should know better than to encourage this moron.

I’ve never seen Lixy say the US was evil.

Pick a thread, any thread.

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That’s not how it works. You said he said the US was evil. You’ll have to back up your words.
There YOU pick a thread

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[quote]Headhunter wrote:
What Lixy and company fail to grasp is that the terrorists are using our own goodness, our own morality, as a weapon against us. If we were evil, as Lixy has said, we’d have not hesitated a minute to initiate reprisals. Hell, we even know that Iran is supplying bombs for the terrorists. If we’re evil, where’s the reprisals?

Since these reprisals do not happen, it therefore follows that Lixy’s position is logically incorrect.

What happened when the Czech’s killed Reinhard Heydrich? The Nazis killed off an entire village.
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Your goodness, your morality? They must be really desperate then ! ! !

When did you ever show goodness or morality HH?

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[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Wreckless wrote:
lixy wrote:
I always wondered how much time it’ll take for someone to name a thread after me.

Your very own hate tread by HH.

C O N G R A T U L A T I O N S ! ! !

How is showing someone that they are not logically correct a ‘Hate’ thread"?
You’re an idiot. (Lebensborn?)

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Not logically correct? Why don’t you answer me on the “Syria and Iran build hospitals and schools while the joyful US of A updates its nuclear capibilities” argument.
I’ll tell you why. Because I had you by the short and curlies there.

Also, when you are yourself the result of generations of inbreeding, you shouldn’t comment on other peoples genome.

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[quote]Headhunter wrote:
lixy wrote:

You live in a bubble and think that you can get away with murder by justifying it with wars against Communism/terrorism/Islamism or whatever other fad your strategic planners come up with.

Ummm…this sounds like you are calling us Nazis (Hitler DID wage a war against Bolshevism). I simply ask for the proof. Where are the reprisals? Why not set up a dictator like Saddam but more to our liking, and not hold elections?

You’ve been misled by ideas which are propaganda. If your local imam says 2 + 2 make 5, do you believe him?
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Well, when your local imam said Iraq had wmd’s, you believed him, didn’t you?

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[quote]John S. wrote:
Lixy how many Americans do you see strapping bombs to themselves and blowing up little kids and elderly? not a lot right? now lets take a look at your friends in Iraq. A lot of retards willing to blow themselves up.[/quote]

You’re quite right.

We see Americans flying F-16’s, Apache attack helicopters, tanks and humvees, blowing up women, little kids and elderly.
Do you think the victims care much about the difference?

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[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
It’s pointless.

Lixy goes round after round with people who shred his arguments, offering questions that he never answers - but then, after a while has passed, he makes statements (since refuted) in conclusory fashion, all with the amnesia of having his ideas taken apart.

For example:

  1. Iraq war under false pretenses. Even though he has been pummeled over and over again with bipartisan resolutions and the National Intelligence Estimate and UN Resolutions affirming a belief in Saddam’s WMD capabilities, Lixy fizzles out only to raise the same (refuted) arguments later.

  2. US as the cause of nearly all the misery in the world. This, despite the fact that all the sins he whines about - intolerance, illiberalism, imperialistic designs - are all done twentyfold by the societies for which he apologizes.

  3. US actions as cause of Islamism. This, despite the fact that Lixy can’t answer why the US (and Bush)…

a. Causes Muslims in Africa to slaughter African Christians and animists

b. Causes Muslim societies to hang homosexuals

c. Causes Muslims to become homicidal over political cartoons regarding their faith

d. Causes Islamists to slit the throat of authors who are critical and express themselves through dissent

e. Cause women to live under apartheid conditions (this, despite the whining over Palestinians being the victims of apartheid)

f. Cause furor at the US, despite the fact that the US has spent more blood and treasure helping Muslims in the world (see the Balkans) than the Arab League ever has

g. Cause other Arab nations to actually reject Palestinian refugees and otherwise treat them as second-class scum when they do allow them into the country

h. Cause Muslims to be poor and uneducated, despite the fact that the highest quest for knowledge in a Muslim “university” is whether a woman should be able to wear fingernail polish

i. Cause Islamists to discuss all kinds of goals of conquest, ones completely irrelevant to the US, globalization, or a Palestinian state (see reconquest of Spanish Andelusia)

Lixy tucks tail and runs when the tough questions come out, and then resurfaces later, only to re-assert these dubious claims as conclusory “truths”, as if he never got pinned down on them in the past.

It has become a tragic joke.
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These are nothing more than generailzations that could be said of any faith in history. If we continue to blame other’s religions because of the actions of a few we will continue fuel their hatred of us.

Does anyone here have any knowledge of statistics? I would call the actions of less than 1% of the Muslim world not representative of the Muslim faith just as I would not consider the actions of the KKK representative of Christians.

People, wake the hell up.

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[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
It’s pointless.

Lixy goes round after round with people who shred his arguments, offering questions that he never answers - but then, after a while has passed, he makes statements (since refuted) in conclusory fashion, all with the amnesia of having his ideas taken apart.

For example:

  1. Iraq war under false pretenses. Even though he has been pummeled over and over again with bipartisan resolutions and the National Intelligence Estimate and UN Resolutions affirming a belief in Saddam’s WMD capabilities, Lixy fizzles out only to raise the same (refuted) arguments later.

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It has become a tragic joke. [/quote]

Ippon. Right there. thunderbolt is out of the discussion.

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[quote]Sloth wrote:
thunderbolt23 wrote:
It’s pointless.

Lixy goes round after round with people who shred his arguments, offering questions that he never answers - but then, after a while has passed, he makes statements (since refuted) in conclusory fashion, all with the amnesia of having his ideas taken apart.

For example:

  1. Iraq war under false pretenses. Even though he has been pummeled over and over again with bipartisan resolutions and the National Intelligence Estimate and UN Resolutions affirming a belief in Saddam’s WMD capabilities, Lixy fizzles out only to raise the same (refuted) arguments later.

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It has become a tragic joke.

Damn good post.[/quote]

Another Ippon. Sloth claims this is a good post when thunderbolt claims there was a consensus on Iraq having wmd. There was none. Remember Blickx?
Remember how the UN had to bullied into accepting some resolutions. Remember how Kofi Annan said that the invasion was illegal?
Sloth is out of the discussion.
Sorry folks, this is how it goes.
When you tell blatant lies, when you encourage others to tell blatent lies, or when you’re obviously a stupid fuck, you’re out of the discussion.

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[quote]Wreckless wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
Wreckless wrote:
lixy wrote:
I always wondered how much time it’ll take for someone to name a thread after me.

Your very own hate tread by HH.

C O N G R A T U L A T I O N S ! ! !

How is showing someone that they are not logically correct a ‘Hate’ thread"?
You’re an idiot. (Lebensborn?)

Not logically correct? Why don’t you answer me on the “Syria and Iran build hospitals and schools while the joyful US of A updates its nuclear capibilities” argument.
I’ll tell you why. Because I had you by the short and curlies there.

Also, when you are yourself the result of generations of inbreeding, you shouldn’t comment on other peoples genome.[/quote]

I bet your right arm goes up and you have to suppress ‘Seig…’ every once in a while…its a common syndrome for you Lebensborn boys.

You’re also too dense to comprehend building hospitals, bridges, schools, IN A FOREIGN COUNTRY is different than in your own.

Short and curlies? Back to your engineering-by-correspondance classes there, bugwit.

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[quote]orion wrote:

When it comes to the mindless adoration for the US military, the US flag or the US anthem and the paradigm that US lives are just worth more than the average human being, Lixy is spot on.
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Agreed!

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[quote]Wreckless wrote:

…or when you’re obviously a stupid fuck, you’re out of the discussion.[/quote]

Then why haven’t you stopped typing?

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[quote]Sloth wrote:
lixy wrote:

[i]"A dossier released by Iraq Body Count, a project of the UK non-governmental organization Oxford Research Group, attributed approximately 6,616 civilian deaths to the…

That’s it? All the military power that the US could bring to bear, and the number is that low? Wow. Sorry, but I’m having a hell of a hard time seeing this as anything but restraint.
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They went for shock and awa, but all you can see is restraint? Are you fucking blind?
You should be in a straight jacket. That would show restraint.

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[quote]hedo wrote:
Mr. Clean & Jerk wrote:
Lixy –
Last I checked, this was a weight-lifting site. You should check it out some time.

He’s not here for the training advice.
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He didn’t start the thread either.

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[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:

These are nothing more than generailzations that could be said of any faith in history. If we continue to blame other’s religions because of the actions of a few we will continue fuel their hatred of us. [/quote]

This is completely off-the-point: the point is that Lixy’s neo-Marxist cause-and-effect can be refuted in short order by looking into the state of the culture of his cherished “victims”.

Muslim societies are broken and suffering under a self-inflicted misery - so the claim that they suffer because of “oppressors” is patently false: “oppressors” don’t make them do all the things I put into that list.

Since the misery is self-inflicted, the argument that they are “lashing out” against meanies who are causing the misery is erroneous and unsupported.

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[quote]Wreckless wrote:
Sloth wrote:
thunderbolt23 wrote:
It’s pointless.

Lixy goes round after round with people who shred his arguments, offering questions that he never answers - but then, after a while has passed, he makes statements (since refuted) in conclusory fashion, all with the amnesia of having his ideas taken apart.

For example:

  1. Iraq war under false pretenses. Even though he has been pummeled over and over again with bipartisan resolutions and the National Intelligence Estimate and UN Resolutions affirming a belief in Saddam’s WMD capabilities, Lixy fizzles out only to raise the same (refuted) arguments later.

…

It has become a tragic joke.

Damn good post.

Another Ippon. Sloth claims this is a good post when thunderbolt claims there was a consensus on Iraq having wmd. There was none. Remember Blickx?
Remember how the UN had to bullied into accepting some resolutions. Remember how Kofi Annan said that the invasion was illegal?
Sloth is out of the discussion.
Sorry folks, this is how it goes.
When you tell blatant lies, when you encourage others to tell blatent lies, or when you’re obviously a stupid fuck, you’re out of the discussion.[/quote]

So, since you are obviously a stupid fuck, you’re out of the discussion.

Btw, you should try to read the relevant resolutions once, combine that with a international law course… and THEN try to interpret the resolutions in light of your new knowledge… :slight_smile: Kofi Annan is in no way anything but a pawn in the UN game, UN’s general assembly is nothing, but a joke.

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[quote]JeffR wrote:
As far as lixy goes, he’s got his agenda. It’s to divide us. Don’t lose sight of that. I’d be willing to bet his goals aren’t yours.

I’ve said this many times, America is like a family (including dems). While I may want to smack you around sometimes, you are still family. However, when other family members start ripping on you, my loyalty is to you first.
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If anyone in my family smacked me around I’d have some serious issues.

To comment about your idea of lixy’s “agenda” I would say that if you think people can be “divided” as easily as you imply with mere words then this country REALLY has some SERIOUS issues.

Your idea of “loyalty” scares the hell out of me. Are you intelligent enough to know when your loyalties need to change?

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[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Beowolf wrote:

HH has literally condemned the entire religion of Islam as being evil, and has requested that we bomb the hell out of them and kill them all, while trying to say he supports there freedom and democracy in the Middle East. Thats hypocritical. Very, very hypocritical.

While I can honestly say I’ve learned and agreed with at times the three of you (JeffR, Zap and TB), I cannot say the same for HH. 90% of everything he says has no substantial backing. He makes little to no truly admissible argument (everything he says has fallacies). He’s a closed minded hack.

So, same question back to you… and no, the “He’s still better than Lixy” is not a real answer :wink:

Bombing the hell out of them worked in Nazi Germany and Tojo Japan. Do you think those regimes were LESS bloodthirsty than the terrorist nations and groups we fight now? Ask the people of Warsaw or Nanking.

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No it didn’t. After the war experts evaluated the conduct of the war and concluded that the bombing campaigns on Nazi Germany were very ineffective and didn’t contribute much to the victory.

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[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Wreckless wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
Wreckless wrote:
lixy wrote:
I always wondered how much time it’ll take for someone to name a thread after me.

Your very own hate tread by HH.

C O N G R A T U L A T I O N S ! ! !

How is showing someone that they are not logically correct a ‘Hate’ thread"?
You’re an idiot. (Lebensborn?)

Not logically correct? Why don’t you answer me on the “Syria and Iran build hospitals and schools while the joyful US of A updates its nuclear capibilities” argument.
I’ll tell you why. Because I had you by the short and curlies there.

Also, when you are yourself the result of generations of inbreeding, you shouldn’t comment on other peoples genome.

I bet your right arm goes up and you have to suppress ‘Seig…’ every once in a while…its a common syndrome for you Lebensborn boys.

You’re also too dense to comprehend building hospitals, bridges, schools, IN A FOREIGN COUNTRY is different than in your own.

Short and curlies? Back to your engineering-by-correspondance classes there, bugwit.

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You can bet all you want, you’re still wrong.
How many schools and hospitals did you build in foreign oountries? Would that be more or less than you bombed?

Inbred.