Seriously, F the Police

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[quote]HeavyTriple wrote:

[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:

[quote]BlakeAJackson wrote:

[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:

[quote]BlakeAJackson wrote:

[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
yah, not the same thing. But thanks for the link.
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Sorry here is the link.

Thank you! You are very good with finding info.

but did you read the link?

[EXCERPT]
Extent of Use

The 2008 National Survey on Drug Use and Health showed that the highest rate of current (past month) illicit drug use was among persons [u]reporting two or more races (14.7%), followed by blacks/African Americans (10.1%), American Indian/Alaska Natives (9.5%), whites (8.2%)[/u], Native Hawaiian or other Pacific Islander (7.3%); and Hispanics (6.2%). The lowest rate of current illicit drug use was among Asians (3.6%).2

[END EXCERPT][/quote] Yeah and then I applied those percentages to actual population numbers showing that there are like 6 times as many white users as there are blacks. Waylander can only argue that black clubs selling drugs to only blacks had a bad business model, there are actually more whites to buy the drugs at the end of the day.
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Should I just PM you as not to hijack the thread? It is not stating in regards to population, the statistics are regarding actual arrested drug users.

So, of arrested drug users:
two or more races (14.7%)
blacks/African Americans (10.1%)
American Indian/Alaska Natives (9.5%)
whites (8.2%)
Native Hawaiian or other Pacific Islander (7.3%)
Hispanics (6.2%)
Asians (3.6%)

not by population, those statistics are by actual arrested drug users.
How are you reading that differently?
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I’m reading it the same way he is. It doesn’t seem to make sense reading it the way you are, otherwise where is the other 50% coming from? It states that Asians report the lowest rates of illicit drug use at 3.6%, so if your interpretation is correct, why have they omitted several racial groups with rates of drug use higher than that? The table below that sentence most definitely reflects percentage of the population using (note that the percentages add up to well over 100%), so why would they be switching their criteria around?[/quote]

Because they actually don’t list all the ethnicities. Did you actually read the post where they jumped to Asians at 3.6 percent?

And… ALSO they do not state population anywhere in their statistics.
I am going to keep with my interpretation which makes more sense as they only purport to be addressing ACTUAL DRUG USERS.

And regarding the tables… did you notice they actually noted that it was the population?

I could be wrong but did you see this part?
During FY 2007, there were 25,457 Federal defendants charged with a drug offense whose race was reported to the U.S. Sentencing Commission. Approximately one quarter (24.3%) of these defendants were white, 29.5% were black, and 42.7% were Hispanic. Individuals of another race made up 3.5% of these drug cases. Hispanic defendants were sentenced for the majority of powder cocaine, heroin, and marijuana cases. White defendants were sentenced for the majority of methamphetamine cases and blacks were sentenced for the majority of crack cocaine offenses.11

It look like the the only folks with a shining halo are Asians.

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[quote]spenserd wrote:
You can’t handle the truth! Son, we live in a world that has sheep and those sheep have to be guarded by men with guns. Who’s gonna do it? You! You BodyGuard! I have a greater responsibility than you can possibly fathom. You weep for criminals and you curse the police. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know; that criminals getting the shit kicked out of them by the police probably saves lives, and my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves lives. You don’t want the truth cause deep down inside places you don’t talk about at parties, you want me with that badge, you need me with that badge. We use words like honor, code, and loyalty. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent defending something; you use them as a punchline. I have neither the time, nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom that I provide and then questions the manner in which I provide it! I would rather you just say thank you and went on your way. Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a weapon and walk a beat. Either way, I don’t give a damn what you think you know.

Did you whip that piece of shit’s ass?

I did the job I was told to do.

Did you whip that piece of shit’s ass?!

You goddamn right I did!

-As a federal LEO, and on behalf of all LEO’s; go FUCK yourself.

/thread[/quote]

The way you speak sounds very much like someone with a god complex. So you think everyone but cops are sheep? And that you are leading us and if it wasn’t for you we would be fucked?

I’ve got news for you buddy, the tax payer pays for your wages to provide citizens with a service of protection. That DOES NOT make you our leaders. That DOES NOT give you any right to look down on us. You are not special. You are not god. You are a civil servant and it is your duty to accommodate the needs of citizens, not the citizen’s duty to accommodate your needs. You are just a normal person, just another one of us “sheep”.

I’ve no doubt that you are one of those cops that would kick in some guys head and go OTT just to satisfy your blatant insecurities. Then you would justify it saying “it’s for the greater good!” or “It was my duty”. It’s people like you that make LEO a corrupt system. Only when police officers stop thinking and acting as if they are God almighty and that we are blessed to have them as our overlords, then can LEO be a legitimate organisation.

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[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]165StateChamp wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]165StateChamp wrote:

[quote]waylanderxx wrote:

[quote]165StateChamp wrote:
Waylanderxx is obviously trolling. You people freak out over anything. Why are gregron and anonym the only calm and rational people in this thread? I will never understand the cop hate either…seems like everyone on the interwebz is quick to pass judgement. [/quote]

Damnit dude!

I’m reaching new levels of notoriety here! All the white people think Prof X is racist and now all the black people think I’m racist.

I’m trying to take over here and you’re fucking it up…[/quote]

Race war in 3,2,1…[/quote]

Who’s side am I on if I hate 90% of everyone?[/quote]

You and Way should start your own white power movement. You live in the same state.[/quote]

But I hate white people too.[/quote]

T-Nation sounds like the place for you.

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[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:

Because they actually don’t list all the ethnicities. Did you actually read the post where they jumped to Asians at 3.6 percent?

And… ALSO they do not state population anywhere in their statistics.
I am going to keep with my interpretation which makes more sense as they only purport to be addressing ACTUAL DRUG USERS.

And regarding the tables… did you notice they actually noted that it was the population?

I could be wrong but did you see this part?
During FY 2007, there were 25,457 Federal defendants charged with a drug offense whose race was reported to the U.S. Sentencing Commission. Approximately one quarter (24.3%) of these defendants were white, 29.5% were black, and 42.7% were Hispanic. Individuals of another race made up 3.5% of these drug cases. Hispanic defendants were sentenced for the majority of powder cocaine, heroin, and marijuana cases. White defendants were sentenced for the majority of methamphetamine cases and blacks were sentenced for the majority of crack cocaine offenses.11

It look like the the only folks with a shining halo are Asians.

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Check the citation for that survey, then look at the survey. I think we are over-complicating this. The key term is “rate of use,” which implies percentage of a given population using drugs. If you look at the rest of the survey, it’s all about rates of drug/alcohol use broken down by gender age groups, etc. Nowhere in the actual survey does it imply that they have broken down the arrested population on racial lines. Here’s a link directly to the survey:

http://oas.samhsa.gov/nsduh/2k8nsduh/2k8Results.cfm#7.1.4

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[quote]HeavyTriple wrote:

[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:

Because they actually don’t list all the ethnicities. Did you actually read the post where they jumped to Asians at 3.6 percent?

And… ALSO they do not state population anywhere in their statistics.
I am going to keep with my interpretation which makes more sense as they only purport to be addressing ACTUAL DRUG USERS.

And regarding the tables… did you notice they actually noted that it was the population?

I could be wrong but did you see this part?
During FY 2007, there were 25,457 Federal defendants charged with a drug offense whose race was reported to the U.S. Sentencing Commission. Approximately one quarter (24.3%) of these defendants were white, 29.5% were black, and 42.7% were Hispanic. Individuals of another race made up 3.5% of these drug cases. Hispanic defendants were sentenced for the majority of powder cocaine, heroin, and marijuana cases. White defendants were sentenced for the majority of methamphetamine cases and blacks were sentenced for the majority of crack cocaine offenses.11

It look like the the only folks with a shining halo are Asians.

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Check the citation for that survey, then look at the survey. I think we are over-complicating this. The key term is “rate of use,” which implies percentage of a given population using drugs. If you look at the rest of the survey, it’s all about rates of drug/alcohol use broken down by gender age groups, etc. Nowhere in the actual survey does it imply that they have broken down the arrested population on racial lines. Here’s a link directly to the survey:

http://oas.samhsa.gov/nsduh/2k8nsduh/2k8Results.cfm#7.1.4[/quote]

No… you are inferring that they mean the population. It does not state as such in the previously posted link and now you are posting a brand new link.
And your own link SAYS it is only regarding those drug users

This report presents the first information from the 2008 National Survey on Drug Use and Health (NSDUH), an annual survey sponsored by the Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration (SAMHSA). The survey is the primary source of information on the use of illicit drugs, alcohol, and tobacco in the civilian, noninstitutionalized population of the United States aged 12 years old or older. [u]The survey interviews approximately 67,500 persons [/u]each year. Unless otherwise noted, all comparisons in this report described using terms such as “increased,” “decreased,” or “more than” are statistically significant at the .05 level.

Soooo yah… not related to population.
And shame on you, that was in the very beginning of your link.

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I’ve been pulled over by cops on “fishing expeditions” a few times. It’s fun watching them try their bullshit tactics.

I’m curious, are most of you living in big cities or small towns? I’m just asking because I could never see cops getting away with this where I’m from. Seriously, after a while people would just band together and beat the prick within an inch of his life. That’s small town justice though.

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[quote]spenserd wrote:
You can’t handle the truth! Son, we live in a world that has sheep and those sheep have to be guarded by men with guns. Who’s gonna do it? You! You BodyGuard! I have a greater responsibility than you can possibly fathom. You weep for criminals and you curse the police. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know; that criminals getting the shit kicked out of them by the police probably saves lives, and my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves lives. You don’t want the truth cause deep down inside places you don’t talk about at parties, you want me with that badge, you need me with that badge. We use words like honor, code, and loyalty. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent defending something; you use them as a punchline. I have neither the time, nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom that I provide and then questions the manner in which I provide it! I would rather you just say thank you and went on your way. Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a weapon and walk a beat. Either way, I don’t give a damn what you think you know.

Did you whip that piece of shit’s ass?

I did the job I was told to do.

Did you whip that piece of shit’s ass?!

You goddamn right I did!

-As a federal LEO, and on behalf of all LEO’s; go FUCK yourself.

/thread[/quote]

And you are a fed as well? Double cool story.

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Also, whites (66%)+ blacks (12%) + hispanics (10%) + asians (4%) + native Americans (1%) + 2 races (2%) leaves us with 95% of the population represented, and that was with me rounding down on several percentages. Are you contending that racial groups comprising less than 5% of the population account for the other 50% of people arrested for drug use? Those numbers simply don’t add up.

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[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
Wow. Some of those other races need to step up their tactics for not getting caught.

Anyhow, I’ve had a festering anger since Saturday night.

The wife and I were leaving Applebees after hanging out with some friends. 1:20 in the morning, and as we leave the lot, a cop is heading up the driveway in the opposite direction. He turns and follows us down the driveway, and a couple hundred yards out lights us up. Standard pull over, except that we had not committed any moving violations. I say “What the fuck?” as my wife pulls over. Cop approaches, we wind down the window, license, registration, and all that jazz. We hand it over and he says he’ll explain why in a moment. Comes back to the window and says that he was investigating a call about a domestic dispute at the location we just left from, and we matched the description. He added that we both seemed O.K., and sorry for the inconvenience.

Heres the rub. He had no lawful reason to stop us. There was no domestic dispute at the location we just exited, and I know this because I was there. What he actually did was a fishing expedition on the good chance that he would catch a DUI in progress disguised with a lie. When my wife opened the window and there was no waft of booze fuming from the passenger cab, the cop needed a legitimate sounding reason for having violated our right to pass freely, so he had to make up a reasonable cause.

So, yeah, Fuck the police, and their idiotic, lying, thug tactics to impose fear and erode civil liberty.

From the mouth of my very wise and experienced attorney- “Cops are liars. They all do it. Fortunately for us, they are also idiots.”.
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QFT

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[quote]spenserd wrote:
You can’t handle the truth! Son, we live in a world that has sheep and those sheep have to be guarded by men with guns. Who’s gonna do it? You! You BodyGuard! I have a greater responsibility than you can possibly fathom. You weep for criminals and you curse the police. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know; that criminals getting the shit kicked out of them by the police probably saves lives, and my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves lives. You don’t want the truth cause deep down inside places you don’t talk about at parties, you want me with that badge, you need me with that badge. We use words like honor, code, and loyalty. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent defending something; you use them as a punchline. I have neither the time, nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom that I provide and then questions the manner in which I provide it! I would rather you just say thank you and went on your way. Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a weapon and walk a beat. Either way, I don’t give a damn what you think you know.

Did you whip that piece of shit’s ass?

I did the job I was told to do.

Did you whip that piece of shit’s ass?!

You goddamn right I did!

-As a federal LEO, and on behalf of all LEO’s; go FUCK yourself.

/thread[/quote]

This was not directed at me, but sir, I mean this with as much respect as is possible -

Go

Fuck

Yourself.

Every shithead deserves a beating, huh? What about every video that’s been posted of unwarranted, BLATANTLY ILLEGAL attacks, threats and harassing of private citizens?

“Fuck 'em, collateral damage?”

How about this, OFFICER:

Your kid gets pulled over.

Cop works his ass over.

Cop cracks a few of his ribs.

Threatens to kill his little brother, your other son, and his mother, if he tries to do anything about it.

Lists off their names, address.

Your son, seeing as you’ve raised him to be a fine, upstanding gentleman, just like yourself, has no criminal history.

Fuck him, that’s the cost of the freedom that fine, upstanding officer guarantees and provides?

I sincerely hope, this is an actual wish, that every single dirty fucking cop in this world catches what the throw out there, a thousand fold.

FUCK YOU, you clearly worthless and valueless enforcer of a law for which you have no respect.

And good day.

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[quote]Quick Ben wrote:
I’ve been pulled over by cops on “fishing expeditions” a few times. It’s fun watching them try their bullshit tactics.

I’m curious, are most of you living in big cities or small towns? I’m just asking because I could never see cops getting away with this where I’m from. Seriously, after a while people would just band together and beat the prick within an inch of his life. That’s small town justice though.
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I’m in a large city, with a wide suburban sprawl broken up into townships and boroughs. The thing with that is that each one has its own police department, which makes it sort of small town if you are resident of that township, but there is so much cross over into others that you are in one one moment, and 2 minutes later in another.

If what happened with me took place in my township, I’d have called one of the township supervisors and let them know that it was a dick move on the cops part, but being from 3 townships over, I would just be some prick calling and complaining about a traffic stop.

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And if you had been drunk?

[quote]SkyzykS wrote:

[quote]Quick Ben wrote:
I’ve been pulled over by cops on “fishing expeditions” a few times. It’s fun watching them try their bullshit tactics.

I’m curious, are most of you living in big cities or small towns? I’m just asking because I could never see cops getting away with this where I’m from. Seriously, after a while people would just band together and beat the prick within an inch of his life. That’s small town justice though.
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I’m in a large city, with a wide suburban sprawl broken up into townships and boroughs. The thing with that is that each one has its own police department, which makes it sort of small town if you are resident of that township, but there is so much cross over into others that you are in one one moment, and 2 minutes later in another.

If what happened with me took place in my township, I’d have called one of the township supervisors and let them know that it was a dick move on the cops part, but being from 3 townships over, I would just be some prick calling and complaining about a traffic stop.
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[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
And if you had been drunk?

[quote]SkyzykS wrote:

[quote]Quick Ben wrote:
I’ve been pulled over by cops on “fishing expeditions” a few times. It’s fun watching them try their bullshit tactics.

I’m curious, are most of you living in big cities or small towns? I’m just asking because I could never see cops getting away with this where I’m from. Seriously, after a while people would just band together and beat the prick within an inch of his life. That’s small town justice though.
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I’m in a large city, with a wide suburban sprawl broken up into townships and boroughs. The thing with that is that each one has its own police department, which makes it sort of small town if you are resident of that township, but there is so much cross over into others that you are in one one moment, and 2 minutes later in another.

If what happened with me took place in my township, I’d have called one of the township supervisors and let them know that it was a dick move on the cops part, but being from 3 townships over, I would just be some prick calling and complaining about a traffic stop.
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Haven’t drank in quite a long time.

Prior to applebees, we were at an AA/Alanon meeting. Ironic, huh?

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[quote]spenserd wrote:
You can’t handle the truth! Son, we live in a world that has sheep and those sheep have to be guarded by men with guns. Who’s gonna do it? You! You BodyGuard! I have a greater responsibility than you can possibly fathom. You weep for criminals and you curse the police. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know; that criminals getting the shit kicked out of them by the police probably saves lives, and my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves lives. You don’t want the truth cause deep down inside places you don’t talk about at parties, you want me with that badge, you need me with that badge. We use words like honor, code, and loyalty. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent defending something; you use them as a punchline. I have neither the time, nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom that I provide and then questions the manner in which I provide it! I would rather you just say thank you and went on your way. Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a weapon and walk a beat. Either way, I don’t give a damn what you think you know.

Did you whip that piece of shit’s ass?

I did the job I was told to do.

Did you whip that piece of shit’s ass?!

You goddamn right I did!

-As a federal LEO, and on behalf of all LEO’s; go FUCK yourself.

/thread[/quote]

Has anyone called this douche out yet for quoting “A Few Good Men”?

I mean, I like the movie and all, but quoting a movie is a poor substitute for a lucid, intelligent, well thought out argument, dontcha think?

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[quote]Vash wrote:
FUCK YOU, you clearly worthless and valueless enforcer of a law for which you have no respect.

And good day.
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Lol - dude, that’s an edited version of Jack Nicholson’s speech at the end of “A Few Good Men”. I can’t imagine he’s serious…

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[quote]SkyzykS wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
And if you had been drunk?

[quote]SkyzykS wrote:

[quote]Quick Ben wrote:
I’ve been pulled over by cops on “fishing expeditions” a few times. It’s fun watching them try their bullshit tactics.

I’m curious, are most of you living in big cities or small towns? I’m just asking because I could never see cops getting away with this where I’m from. Seriously, after a while people would just band together and beat the prick within an inch of his life. That’s small town justice though.
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I’m in a large city, with a wide suburban sprawl broken up into townships and boroughs. The thing with that is that each one has its own police department, which makes it sort of small town if you are resident of that township, but there is so much cross over into others that you are in one one moment, and 2 minutes later in another.

If what happened with me took place in my township, I’d have called one of the township supervisors and let them know that it was a dick move on the cops part, but being from 3 townships over, I would just be some prick calling and complaining about a traffic stop.
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Haven’t drank in quite a long time.

Prior to applebees, we were at an AA/Alanon meeting. Ironic, huh?
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Not my question.

A policeman’s job is to investigate suspicious activity. Leaving a bar at 1:30am can definitelhy be viewed as suspicios when behind the wheel.

It is the courts job to determine guilt or innocence should a cop cuff you.

In your scenario, the cop didn’t beat you or violate your civil rights in any way.

You were innocent and he let you go too. Whining is pointless.

It’s a shame a cop didn’t stop the driver who hit the girl in my link, even if it was for a “domestic disturbance call”.

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A core American value is the assumption of innocence on the part of its citizenry. Leaving a restaurant that is lawfully open until 1:30 is not “suspicious” behavior on the part of an adult or at least it should not be considered such. Even though it means that sometimes bad things happen. The erosion of trust, autonomy, and freedom is also a bad thing.

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[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

Not my question.

A policeman’s job is to investigate suspicious activity. Leaving a bar at 1:30am can definitelhy be viewed as suspicios when behind the wheel.

It is the courts job to determine guilt or innocence should a cop cuff you.

In your scenario, the cop didn’t beat you or violate your civil rights in any way.

You were innocent and he let you go too. Whining is pointless.

It’s a shame a cop didn’t stop the driver who hit the girl in my link, even if it was for a “domestic disturbance call”.

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Ah, but he did. You see, in this country we are guaranteed the right to pass freely and unmolested.

Without reasonable suspicion, he has no right or ability to stop anybody.

Nice try, but it is hard to argue actual with hypothetical, because one is, and one isn’t.

Besides, Applebees is a restaurant that serves drinks, not a bar that serves food.

Now is when you respond with something equally weak and stupid as your entrance into this conversation.

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[quote]SkyzykS wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

Not my question.

A policeman’s job is to investigate suspicious activity. Leaving a bar at 1:30am can definitelhy be viewed as suspicios when behind the wheel.

It is the courts job to determine guilt or innocence should a cop cuff you.

In your scenario, the cop didn’t beat you or violate your civil rights in any way.

You were innocent and he let you go too. Whining is pointless.

It’s a shame a cop didn’t stop the driver who hit the girl in my link, even if it was for a “domestic disturbance call”.

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Ah, but he did. You see, in this country we are guaranteed the right to pass freely and unmolested.

Without reasonable suspicion, he has no right or ability to stop anybody.

Nice try, but it is hard to argue actual with hypothetical, because one is, and one isn’t.

Besides, Applebees is a restaurant that serves drinks, not a bar that serves food.

Now is when you respond with something equally weak and stupid as your entrance into this conversation.

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Your angry and pre-dismissive close to your post doesn’t warrant much in reply. Besides, Emily posted something similar so I’m going to debate with her, I think she is smarter and it will be fun. You can watch if you want.

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[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
A core American value is the assumption of innocence on the part of its citizenry. Leaving a restaurant that is lawfully open until 1:30 is not “suspicious” behavior on the part of an adult or at least it should not be considered such. Even though it means that sometimes bad things happen. The erosion of trust, autonomy, and freedom is also a bad thing.

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I agree with 99% of your post, but the assumption of innocence is reserved for the courts and a fair trial. Police have the legal right to investigate scenarios they find suspicious, as long as they are not violating legally protected rights, which is key.

If a police officer feels a man leaving an alcohol serving establishment at 1:30 in the morning is suspicious, he can and should investigate. Throwing him on the ground and kicking his teeth in is another story of course, but that didn’t happen.