Sequestration Budget Cuts Will Deepen Recession - Both Parties Reject Stimulus

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[quote]MaximusB wrote:

[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:

[quote]MaximusB wrote:

[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:
Stimulus will make the economy grow and the deficit shrink.[/quote]

Solindra did wonders for the economy… Shit son, we should force dollars where the market doesn’t want them more often.

I’ll be honest, I’m not 100% against stimulus spending, but I am 100% at thrid parties who pay no price for being wrong NOT being in charge of where that spending goes. [/quote]

Solindra was a brand new technology and needs to be incubated just like the internet was. No wonder there.

The Solindra debacle was nothing compared to the gutting of the regulations which helped to enable the finance sector to single-handedly bring down the U.S. economy. Shit son if we can have more of these so called “free market fantasies” we will all be in the poor house.[/quote]

Funny you mention Solyndra and alternate fuels, an interesting and saddening situation has occurred here in Fuckifornia…

As the tree-hugging, unbathed, unwashed, unshaved, and unkept Liberals who love green energy and the environment moan about oil consumption, we here in the Liberal wet dream state have encountered an enigma of epic proportions.

It seems that within the past few years, Californians have been consuming less oil, probably from less driving in a down economy, as well as purchasing more fuel-efficient cars. So the state has less revenue from the gas tax. Yay, the Bay Area smellies are lighting up a fatty in celebration, right ? WRONG. The State Board of Equalization raised the gas tax with no one noticing, because the state is so broke, they need the revenue.

So, the Liberals crying for less carbon pollution got their wish, only to find that it meant less tax revenue. So to compensate, the gas tax went up, by 10%, giving California the highest gas tax in the nation, more than Hawaii.

This proves the whole Global Warming scam was nothing but a hoax, and a front as a money grab by politicians.

Notice how the state cried about lack of revenue, not boasting about “a cleaner and more efficient society.”
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How many scientists who aren’t on the payroll of corporations do not believe in global warming?[/quote]

Don’t know, don’t care. But this proves that Global Warming was nothing but a money grab. [/quote]

Doesn’t prove that global warming isn’t happening.

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[quote]MaximusB wrote:

Don’t know, don’t care. [/quote]

Rectify the former and the latter will fall into place.

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[quote]smh23 wrote:

[quote]MaximusB wrote:

Don’t know, don’t care. [/quote]

Rectify the former and the latter will fall into place.[/quote]

When Hurricane Katrina hit, we were told that we were going to have more and more storms with each passing year. Since then, we have had only one (Superstorm Sandy).

Stop thinking you can predict the weather.

Humans have been keeping records of climate for only 200 years, while the planet is 4.5 Billion years old. This alone is why Gore should have been laughed off the stage.

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[quote]MaximusB wrote:

[quote]smh23 wrote:

[quote]MaximusB wrote:

Don’t know, don’t care. [/quote]

Rectify the former and the latter will fall into place.[/quote]

When Hurricane Katrina hit, we were told that we were going to have more and more storms with each passing year. Since then, we have had only one (Superstorm Sandy).

Stop thinking you can predict the weather.

Humans have been keeping records of climate for only 200 years, while the planet is 4.5 Billion years old. This alone is why Gore should have been laughed off the stage. [/quote]

I never said I could predict the weather and I never said we were going to get more storms.

Look up ice core drilling if you care to know something before formulating an opinion.

Edit: also, if you think the only major weather events in the last nine years have been Katrina and Sandy, you should read more news.

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[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:

[quote]dmaddox wrote:
Sequestration has come and gone like the Mayan Calendar. The world has not ended.[/quote]

Ahh…I think you are being a bit presumptous.[/quote]

You want to know what this armageddon scenario is from Obama? He is doubling down. The last quarter showed the economy slowing with GDP down .1%. Obama is trying to blame the GOP for the recession that is going to happen when this quarter’s GDP is negative. Two quarters of negative GDP means a Recession. Obama is going to blame the Recession on the GOP for the Sequester.

If GDP goes up then Obama will take the credit for the uptick and claim it is because of tax increases. He wants heads I win tails you loose scenario, and his voters will eat up this crap up with both hands.

We all know GDP will be either low or more negative because of the SSI and Income Tax Rate increases. Sequester will be a very small amount of the decrease.

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[quote]dmaddox wrote:

[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:

[quote]dmaddox wrote:
Sequestration has come and gone like the Mayan Calendar. The world has not ended.[/quote]

Ahh…I think you are being a bit presumptous.[/quote]

You want to know what this armageddon scenario is from Obama? He is doubling down. The last quarter showed the economy slowing with GDP down .1%. Obama is trying to blame the GOP for the recession that is going to happen when this quarter’s GDP is negative. Two quarters of negative GDP means a Recession. Obama is going to blame the Recession on the GOP for the Sequester.

If GDP goes up then Obama will take the credit for the uptick and claim it is because of tax increases. He wants heads I win tails you loose scenario, and his voters will eat up this crap up with both hands.

We all know GDP will be either low or more negative because of the SSI and Income Tax Rate increases. Sequester will be a very small amount of the decrease.[/quote]

This seems legit, I’m not about to look too far into it, but I imagine this is accurate enough to get the point across.

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]dmaddox wrote:

[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:

[quote]dmaddox wrote:
Sequestration has come and gone like the Mayan Calendar. The world has not ended.[/quote]

Ahh…I think you are being a bit presumptous.[/quote]

You want to know what this armageddon scenario is from Obama? He is doubling down. The last quarter showed the economy slowing with GDP down .1%. Obama is trying to blame the GOP for the recession that is going to happen when this quarter’s GDP is negative. Two quarters of negative GDP means a Recession. Obama is going to blame the Recession on the GOP for the Sequester.

If GDP goes up then Obama will take the credit for the uptick and claim it is because of tax increases. He wants heads I win tails you loose scenario, and his voters will eat up this crap up with both hands.

We all know GDP will be either low or more negative because of the SSI and Income Tax Rate increases. Sequester will be a very small amount of the decrease.[/quote]

This seems legit, I’m not about to look too far into it, but I imagine this is accurate enough to get the point across. [/quote]

It is speculative at best, but something I was thinking about this weekend.

Obama’s Chicago style politics are to blame your opponent for everything, and take the good stuff for yourself. If it is bad blame your opponents even if you are the one that did it. He is on the stump campaigning for 2014 mid term elections. He wants the majority back in the House. I think he better watch it because people are waking up, or becoming numb to his bully tactics. The Dems have a lot of Senators up for election in 2014 in swing states, and Moderately Republican states.

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[quote]dmaddox wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]dmaddox wrote:

[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:

[quote]dmaddox wrote:
Sequestration has come and gone like the Mayan Calendar. The world has not ended.[/quote]

Ahh…I think you are being a bit presumptous.[/quote]

You want to know what this armageddon scenario is from Obama? He is doubling down. The last quarter showed the economy slowing with GDP down .1%. Obama is trying to blame the GOP for the recession that is going to happen when this quarter’s GDP is negative. Two quarters of negative GDP means a Recession. Obama is going to blame the Recession on the GOP for the Sequester.

If GDP goes up then Obama will take the credit for the uptick and claim it is because of tax increases. He wants heads I win tails you loose scenario, and his voters will eat up this crap up with both hands.

We all know GDP will be either low or more negative because of the SSI and Income Tax Rate increases. Sequester will be a very small amount of the decrease.[/quote]

This seems legit, I’m not about to look too far into it, but I imagine this is accurate enough to get the point across. [/quote]

It is speculative at best, but something I was thinking about this weekend.

Obama’s Chicago style politics are to blame your opponent for everything, and take the good stuff for yourself. If it is bad blame your opponents even if you are the one that did it. He is on the stump campaigning for 2014 mid term elections. He wants the majority back in the House. I think he better watch it because people are waking up, or becoming numb to his bully tactics. The Dems have a lot of Senators up for election in 2014 in swing states, and Moderately Republican states.[/quote]

Funny you say this, tomorrow here in Los Angeles is the next mayoral election. Surprisingly, the only Republican is doing much better than expected. It seems bankruptcy cuts through partisanship.

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[quote]MaximusB wrote:

[quote]dmaddox wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]dmaddox wrote:

[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:

[quote]dmaddox wrote:
Sequestration has come and gone like the Mayan Calendar. The world has not ended.[/quote]

Ahh…I think you are being a bit presumptous.[/quote]

You want to know what this armageddon scenario is from Obama? He is doubling down. The last quarter showed the economy slowing with GDP down .1%. Obama is trying to blame the GOP for the recession that is going to happen when this quarter’s GDP is negative. Two quarters of negative GDP means a Recession. Obama is going to blame the Recession on the GOP for the Sequester.

If GDP goes up then Obama will take the credit for the uptick and claim it is because of tax increases. He wants heads I win tails you loose scenario, and his voters will eat up this crap up with both hands.

We all know GDP will be either low or more negative because of the SSI and Income Tax Rate increases. Sequester will be a very small amount of the decrease.[/quote]

This seems legit, I’m not about to look too far into it, but I imagine this is accurate enough to get the point across. [/quote]

It is speculative at best, but something I was thinking about this weekend.

Obama’s Chicago style politics are to blame your opponent for everything, and take the good stuff for yourself. If it is bad blame your opponents even if you are the one that did it. He is on the stump campaigning for 2014 mid term elections. He wants the majority back in the House. I think he better watch it because people are waking up, or becoming numb to his bully tactics. The Dems have a lot of Senators up for election in 2014 in swing states, and Moderately Republican states.[/quote]

Funny you say this, tomorrow here in Los Angeles is the next mayoral election. Surprisingly, the only Republican is doing much better than expected. It seems bankruptcy cuts through partisanship. [/quote]

If the well runs dry then their guberment cheese payments will stop. Something is always better than nothing. Dems run it into the ground faster than an F-16 in a nose dive. At least the Repubs run into the ground like a glider.

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[quote]lucasa wrote:
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Except that currently 173 ATC towers are proposed to close as of April 7th. These closures make up over 70% of all ATC contract towers in the US.

Meaning: Once the civilian sector ATC jobs have been destroyed (April 7th), the only avenues to be an air traffic controller are military, fed, and DoD. Fed has a furlough, meaning their pay is drastically reduced. Additionally, the budget cuts are causing a hiring freeze in the FAA (years). DoD controller positions were already notoriously difficult to get and now, with no other options for civilian controllers, those will effectively be a hiring freeze too. With no job openings in the civilian/federal civilian side of things, military controllers won’t separate and therefor they will clog up the military.

If the military has too many of a specific career field they cut extra pay. No more re-enlistment bonuses, no sign up bonuses, no more special duty pay. Add in the cut tuition assistance and you have completely driven out any intelligent people from the career. Why be an air traffic controller in the military when you can go into another program, get bigger bonuses, and have civilian job opportunities.

This leads to the ATC field aging and not having any good new talent. So, in 5-10 years there will be a noticeable drain in the talent of ATCers which will cause more incidents/accidents. At that point, everyone will be up in arms about this even though all of you morons are what caused it to happen right now.

I don’t know what your idiotic point about the FAA furlough is. The fact that they allowed the 20% pay cut without any backlash just means that their pay will most likely be permanently cut by 20% come September. They can’t strike and there won’t be any contract towers where they could work so they are screwed.

Any young, intelligent people reading this: Stay away from ATC. They have been neutered by the government and the field is a dead one.

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[quote]UtahLama wrote:
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My god…talk about completely owning somebody…take it easy Beans, that guy is not gonna be able to walk tomorrow.

And yet, he ignores all your points.[/quote]

Enjoy the crash morons.

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[quote]brnforce wrote:

[quote]lucasa wrote:
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Except that currently 173 ATC towers are proposed to close as of April 7th. These closures make up over 70% of all ATC contract towers in the US.

Meaning: Once the civilian sector ATC jobs have been destroyed (April 7th), the only avenues to be an air traffic controller are military, fed, and DoD. Fed has a furlough, meaning their pay is drastically reduced. Additionally, the budget cuts are causing a hiring freeze in the FAA (years). DoD controller positions were already notoriously difficult to get and now, with no other options for civilian controllers, those will effectively be a hiring freeze too. With no job openings in the civilian/federal civilian side of things, military controllers won’t separate and therefor they will clog up the military.

If the military has too many of a specific career field they cut extra pay. No more re-enlistment bonuses, no sign up bonuses, no more special duty pay. Add in the cut tuition assistance and you have completely driven out any intelligent people from the career. Why be an air traffic controller in the military when you can go into another program, get bigger bonuses, and have civilian job opportunities.

This leads to the ATC field aging and not having any good new talent. So, in 5-10 years there will be a noticeable drain in the talent of ATCers which will cause more incidents/accidents. At that point, everyone will be up in arms about this even though all of you morons are what caused it to happen right now.

I don’t know what your idiotic point about the FAA furlough is. The fact that they allowed the 20% pay cut without any backlash just means that their pay will most likely be permanently cut by 20% come September. They can’t strike and there won’t be any contract towers where they could work so they are screwed.

Any young, intelligent people reading this: Stay away from ATC. They have been neutered by the government and the field is a dead one. [/quote]

brnforce-

I think you are overreacting. Furlough suck, It’s a shame anyone has to take unpaid leave, but it’s not as bad as you say. My brother in law is being furloughed (DOD). It sucks, but it’s like 20 days. That’s not a whole lot and isn’t going to break anyone. It’ll sting, but he’ll survive. Most people, my guess, are in this boat. Others may need a part time job, sucks for them, but that’s life.

Military rarely have enlistment or re-enlistment bonuses anyway. They are lossing TA, which sucks, but doesn’t affect mission capabilities. Like any other job if the benefits aren’t good enough look elsewhere. VA education benefits are still intact so get out and go back to school or pay out of pocket (like most of us). Don’t forget military folks still have a lot going for them (pension, housing allowance, meals allowamce, etc…).

I won’t speak to ATC as I’m not familiar with the field.

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[quote]brnforce wrote:

Enjoy the crash morons.[/quote]

OH MY GOD!

You called me a moron. Your opinion just HAS to be the correct on now.

How silly of me not to see it before now, you just had to call me a name a couple more times and now I see.

lame.

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Brnforce,

You have clearly never heard of public uproar. When people bitch and moan (and they will about this), Odrama will “walk it back” and make shit right again.

This is actually golden, the more Obama plays Russian roulette with things, the more his popularity will suffer.

I am sure we can find other things to cut, like how shrimp run on a treadmill…

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[quote]brnforce wrote:

[quote]lucasa wrote:
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Except that currently 173 ATC towers are proposed to close as of April 7th. These closures make up over 70% of all ATC contract towers in the US.

Meaning: Once the civilian sector ATC jobs have been destroyed (April 7th), the only avenues to be an air traffic controller are military, fed, and DoD. Fed has a furlough, meaning their pay is drastically reduced. Additionally, the budget cuts are causing a hiring freeze in the FAA (years). DoD controller positions were already notoriously difficult to get and now, with no other options for civilian controllers, those will effectively be a hiring freeze too. With no job openings in the civilian/federal civilian side of things, military controllers won’t separate and therefor they will clog up the military.

If the military has too many of a specific career field they cut extra pay. No more re-enlistment bonuses, no sign up bonuses, no more special duty pay. Add in the cut tuition assistance and you have completely driven out any intelligent people from the career. Why be an air traffic controller in the military when you can go into another program, get bigger bonuses, and have civilian job opportunities.

This leads to the ATC field aging and not having any good new talent. So, in 5-10 years there will be a noticeable drain in the talent of ATCers which will cause more incidents/accidents. At that point, everyone will be up in arms about this even though all of you morons are what caused it to happen right now.

I don’t know what your idiotic point about the FAA furlough is. The fact that they allowed the 20% pay cut without any backlash just means that their pay will most likely be permanently cut by 20% come September. They can’t strike and there won’t be any contract towers where they could work so they are screwed.

Any young, intelligent people reading this: Stay away from ATC. They have been neutered by the government and the field is a dead one. [/quote]

I’m the moron. Not you, oh no. Not your government, certianly not. It has to be me that is the moron.

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:
Only in America can a politician say “If we only increase spending by 9.7 instead of 10, we have to close up shop, terroists will kill us all and the world will stop spinning” do people actually think that makes sense. And turn around and call those that question the GodKing “morons”.

God I love this country. [/quote]

Can someone explain to me where this “we’re only cutting growth in spending, not the actual spending” talking point originates? Or show me the math or something?

Because I work for a major DOD program, where our budgets increase about 1-2% annually only to offset the cost of inflation, and we are giving up 10% of our planned efforts for the year as a result, in addition to the one day a week furlough of all civilians.

I don’t know if you guys actually believe there is not going to be any repercussions, and it’s just as easy as pie to give 10% of your program back to the taxpayers, but it ain’t that easy…

But I’m sure all those feds and the contractors who will be layed off due to a 10% reduction in the money we give them will just keep spending at their current rates, right? No harm there at all.

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[quote]dmaddox wrote:
Sequestration has come and gone like the Mayan Calendar. The world has not ended.[/quote]

man it must be awesome to live in texas and be so out of touch with reality…

except that living in texas part…

and being out of touch with reality…

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[quote]lucasa wrote:

This is funny, I enjoy the mentality that all the people furlowed are going to go into comas on their days off. None of them will seek out other employment or pick up extra jobs or spend more time with family or be active in their community or consume goods and services, they will just vanish. And, with all the vanished meat inspectors and air traffic controllers, the corporations producing beef and flying planes will just scrap all any plans finding ways to provide goods and services more competitively. And since there aren’t any meat inspectors or air traffic controllers to make the corporations care and because the corporations are completely incapable of inherently valuing anything, the butchers will start taking dumps in the ground beef and pilots will try to tear the wings off of planes for fun.

It sounds like the rapture only from Democrats instead of Christian fundamentalists.
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Yeah, good call, everybody will just go out and get them a part time job. Yup, that’s easy enough. They will surely be making the same amount of money they were in their primary job too, right? That’s how it works? Glad that they won’t have to make ANY cutbacks in their spending habits (you know those things taht DRIVE the economy) due to a massive wage cut. That is good planning on your part. I wish you would run for office, so I could vote for you. You da man!!!

Yeah spending time with family. That should get the economy rolling! Active in community/ Hell yeah!! I’ll plant the shit out of some trees. Good plans!

I also didn’t realize that meat producers were just going to be able to sell all their wares now without ANY inspections whatsoever. You see, I thought that having less inspectors just meant that there would be less inspectors to do the job that would still be required, creating a backlog of products waiting to be inspected. it seems that you have astutetly determined that this just means there will be no inspections whatsoever!!! That is great news, I was worried there for a second. They ARE completely capable of valuing anything. Why didn’t I think of that?

A+++ post here. I have seen some intelligent posters in this forum, but you have to be the best. Barely edging out that Maximus guy. Well done, sir.

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VTBalla34,

Do you think the best thing for the economy is for people to spend more money?

I’m sorry you are being furloughed, that sucks.

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[quote]VTBalla34 wrote:

Can someone explain to me where this “we’re only cutting growth in spending, not the actual spending” talking point originates? Or show me the math or something?[/quote]

Probably from the golden cow programs that won’t get cut, certain military and entitlements. I mean I could link what I’ve read, or you could read any article that is remotely honest about the situation.

[quote]
Because I work for a major DOD program, where our budgets increase about 1-2% annually only to offset the cost of inflation, and we are giving up 10% of our planned efforts for the year as a result, in addition to the one day a week furlough of all civilians.

I don’t know if you guys actually believe there is not going to be any repercussions, and it’s just as easy as pie to give 10% of your program back to the taxpayers, but it ain’t that easy…

But I’m sure all those feds and the contractors who will be layed off due to a 10% reduction in the money we give them will just keep spending at their current rates, right? No harm there at all.[/quote]

So, in a macro sense, you guys have to deal with the same things the private sector has been dealing with…

Sucks Brah, but the world will not end. We will adapt and overcome.