[quote]tom63 wrote:
FWIW I remember as a kid when wearing the flag in certain ways was considered to be disrespectful. Patches on the seat of you pants, certain items of clothing etc. Take this for what’s it worth in context of 30-40 years ago.[/quote]
They were sent home because wearing the flag of the U.S. at a publicly funded by U.S. tax payers school because they were disrespecting a mexican holiday being celebrated for some unknown reason at a U.S. school.
When do we get to start celebrating Bastille Day?
keep on point.
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United States Flag Code Rules on the display of the flag. The flag should not be worn as clothing, example a bikini, flag shorts, shirts etc. Displaying a picture of the flag is different or wearing a patch on a uniform for example, but what many people think is patriotic is considered disrespectful to the flag.
I’d say it’s on point. If they wore clothing with a picture, fine, if the clothing was a flag, they were being disrespectful to the flag. Of course, this assistant principal was still in the wrong.
[quote]tom63 wrote:
FWIW I remember as a kid when wearing the flag in certain ways was considered to be disrespectful. Patches on the seat of you pants, certain items of clothing etc. Take this for what’s it worth in context of 30-40 years ago.[/quote]
They were sent home because wearing the flag of the U.S. at a publicly funded by U.S. tax payers school because they were disrespecting a mexican holiday being celebrated for some unknown reason at a U.S. school.
When do we get to start celebrating Bastille Day?
keep on point.
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United States Flag Code Rules on the display of the flag. The flag should not be worn as clothing, example a bikini, flag shorts, shirts etc. Displaying a picture of the flag is different or wearing a patch on a uniform for example, but what many people think is patriotic is considered disrespectful to the flag.
I’d say it’s on point. If they wore clothing with a picture, fine, if the clothing was a flag, they were being disrespectful to the flag. Of course, this assistant principal was still in the wrong.[/quote]
That is the flag code and there is no substantial duty for a civilian to follow that rule. Can you state what the consequences are for a person wearing a depiction of the flag as clothing?
there isn’t any.
good attempt at a stretch though, and still not the issue.
The school subverted the students rights in favor of another countries holiday.
I saw the T shirts and they’re fine, but the bandannas are not okay. This is a direct violation of the rules of the US flag code. Of course, as I said this is not why the students were sent home and the vice principal was wrong. But if you want to be Joe or Jane Patriotic, get it right.
[quote]tom63 wrote:
I saw the T shirts and they’re fine, but the bandannas are not okay. This is a direct violation of the rules of the US flag code. Of course, as I said this is not why the students were sent home and the vice principal was wrong. But if you want to be Joe or Jane Patriotic, get it right.[/quote]
No, you are just reaching to try and buttress your previous post.
There is no indoctrination in the flag code for the civilian, especially not for public school kids. Even then, there is no burden on them to follow the flag code.
Do you seriously think a soldier will wear some baggy flag pants ala Napolean Dynamite. The Flag code covers the display of flags, disposal etc. A civilian won’t be arrested for not following this, but that doesn’t mean they should not show respect.
The boys were acting in a way that was disrespectful, but they did not know it. The principal did not know it. This was wrong how it happened, but they weren’t being patriotic.
So being that there is no doctrination for a civilian, how would you fly a flag? how would you dispose of one that was old? Would you fly it in inclement weather? Protocol is important and while we won’t be brought up on charges, these are still rules to be followed.
Again, if you’re going to lead the charge of patriotism, do it right. I myself won’t wear flag clothing for this reason.
[quote]tom63 wrote:
<<< but they weren’t being patriotic.[/quote]I think I disagree. Their intent, even if not in strict compliance with traditional boundaries respecting the flag was in fact to show loyalty to the country it represents.[quote]tom63 wrote:<<< Again, if you’re going to lead the charge of patriotism, do it right. I myself won’t wear flag clothing for this reason. >>>[/quote]I think here I actually do agree, but casting aspersions on the character of these young men who failed to uphold this standard, but with no known design of portraying disrespect, is legalistic.
Even if it actually fell flat in form, which like it or not is actually debatable, their motives are what they should be judged by in my opinion.
[quote]tom63 wrote:
Do you seriously think a soldier will wear some baggy flag pants ala Napolean Dynamite. The Flag code covers the display of flags, disposal etc. A civilian won’t be arrested for not following this, but that doesn’t mean they should not show respect.
The boys were acting in a way that was disrespectful, but they did not know it. The principal did not know it. This was wrong how it happened, but they weren’t being patriotic.
So being that there is no doctrination for a civilian, how would you fly a flag? how would you dispose of one that was old? Would you fly it in inclement weather? Protocol is important and while we won’t be brought up on charges, these are still rules to be followed.
Again, if you’re going to lead the charge of patriotism, do it right. I myself won’t wear flag clothing for this reason.[/quote]
I’m from a military family. I know how to care for a flag.
The great thing about the military is they protect the rights of everyone even if that right is to disrespect a flag. It’s a catch-22, but it is the great thing about this country.
I do not wear flags as clothing. I did have a t-shirt that has a flag on it. Nothing wrong with that.
[quote]tom63 wrote:
<<< but they weren’t being patriotic.[/quote]I think I disagree. Their intent, even if not in strict compliance with traditional boundaries respecting the flag was in fact to show loyalty to the country it represents.[quote]tom63 wrote:<<< Again, if you’re going to lead the charge of patriotism, do it right. I myself won’t wear flag clothing for this reason. >>>[/quote]I think here I actually do agree, but casting aspersions on the character of these young men who failed to uphold this standard, but with no known design of portraying disrespect, is legalistic.
Even if it actually fell flat in form, which like it or not is actually debatable, their motives are what they should be judged by in my opinion.
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I understand their feelings and feel that they are patriotic, but if we’re flag wavers, we should wave it correctly. The principal was way off base here also as I said.
When we don’t follow the rules, the lefties ca correctly point out how we are not showing the flag it’s proper respect and give us a little gotcha. You pretend to be Captain America, blah, blah, but don’t even know the rules?
There was another article I read once that showed various articles of clothing worn by what I would say us right wing types. Shorts, shirts etc., bandanas also.
But I’ll give the kids credit, I’m sure they did not know this and I’m sure their parents did not know this. It’s just a shame that this is not taught in schools anymore, and yes I know that ties in with this Corona holiday celebration.
[quote]tom63 wrote:
Do you seriously think a soldier will wear some baggy flag pants ala Napolean Dynamite. The Flag code covers the display of flags, disposal etc. A civilian won’t be arrested for not following this, but that doesn’t mean they should not show respect.
The boys were acting in a way that was disrespectful, but they did not know it. The principal did not know it. This was wrong how it happened, but they weren’t being patriotic.
So being that there is no doctrination for a civilian, how would you fly a flag? how would you dispose of one that was old? Would you fly it in inclement weather? Protocol is important and while we won’t be brought up on charges, these are still rules to be followed.
Again, if you’re going to lead the charge of patriotism, do it right. I myself won’t wear flag clothing for this reason.[/quote]
I’m from a military family. I know how to care for a flag.
The great thing about the military is they protect the rights of everyone even if that right is to disrespect a flag. It’s a catch-22, but it is the great thing about this country.
I do not wear flags as clothing. I did have a t-shirt that has a flag on it. Nothing wrong with that.
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As I said, a picture is different than making it into an article of clothing. That’s the big difference. IMO this stuff should be taught in your basic civics class, but it seems like schools are to worried about Mexican holidays to teach about American traditions.
I am just bumping this because 4th of July lands on a Sunday, all the little kiddies will be out on Monday.
I kinda think any protesting will be forgotten by Tuesday.
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I wonder if the school will be sending home students wearing foreign flags.[/quote]
Or Che or Mao shirts or ones advocating violence or obscenity or gang colors. This is just another symptom and won’t make or break the country, but the wink n nod to just about anything except that which may be traditionally American is quite telling. Imagine the outrage is some kid dared show up wearing a shirt that simply read: JOHN 3:16
I am just bumping this because 4th of July lands on a Sunday, all the little kiddies will be out on Monday.
I kinda think any protesting will be forgotten by Tuesday.
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I wonder if the school will be sending home students wearing foreign flags.[/quote]
Or Che or Mao shirts or ones advocating violence or obscenity or gang colors. This is just another symptom and won’t make or break the country, but the wink n nod to just about anything except that which may be traditionally American is quite telling. Imagine the outrage is some kid dared show up wearing a shirt that simply read: JOHN 3:16[/quote]
No, No, not the dreaded John 3:16 shirt. We can not have that in School, no way no how.
I am just bumping this because 4th of July lands on a Sunday, all the little kiddies will be out on Monday.
I kinda think any protesting will be forgotten by Tuesday.
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I wonder if the school will be sending home students wearing foreign flags.[/quote]
Or Che or Mao shirts or ones advocating violence or obscenity or gang colors. This is just another symptom and won’t make or break the country, but the wink n nod to just about anything except that which may be traditionally American is quite telling. Imagine the outrage is some kid dared show up wearing a shirt that simply read: JOHN 3:16[/quote]
Just remember the empire state building (symbol of America) honors Mao but not Mother Teresa.
I simply do not understand how so many people could be so backwards.