[quote]pushharder wrote:
Answer his question, LIFT.[/quote]
What do you do?
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
[quote]TheTexican wrote:
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
[quote]TheTexican wrote:
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
[quote]TheTexican wrote:
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
Yeah, I know…but…and just hear me out: could they have used nonlethal ways to capture these individuals?
Sure. The benefit would have served US propaganda much better around he world.
Instead of having just an American Hero propaganda story for Americans it could have been a message to the rest of the world that the American military is actually “fighting for justice”.
Just saying…seems like most of these “adventures” are poorly thought out – at least in terms of international PR.[/quote]
Non-lethal ways to conduct hostage rescue operations from kidnappers in Somalia? You can lead the first non-lethal raid into a hostile area like that and let us all know how this ends up. Have you ever been shot at? Faced a hostile individual with a weapon? Wake up from your dream and realize the world doesn’t work that way. I take it your time in the military/law enforcement gave you the experience to understand these ideas are valid ones?[/quote]
So you’re telling me these super-top-secret-ninja-warrior-assassins are not actually that badass?
My time in the military taught me not to trust people that ask me to “jump on grenades” for their causes.[/quote]
One: When did I say anything wasn’t badass? Don’t create new debates.
Two: How does “jumping on a grenade” even apply to rescuing hostages, one of whom, would have died soon without medical care, from their captors??
America DID serve justice in this case. Humans had been abducted, against their wills, held at gunpoint, and without basic necessities. There was NO other way to free them than what had already taken place. The hostage takers were NOT going to free them. Maybe you should have written them a nice letter requesting a trade for some muffins or possibly even offer the hostage takers asylum in the US and free citizenship. I’m sure there are a few homes in your neighborhood who could take them in. Even you, oh champion of the world, would you be willing to take them in and educate them in the humane and fair treatment of others?[/quote]
Just because something happens does that make it necessary that it happened that way?
This is a legitimately philosophical question.
If we cannot discuss what ought to be versus what is then there is no point to PWI or any philosophical debate in general.
The point I am trying to make is whether it is in the interest of American foreign policy that it happened this specific way?
What if it did not even really happen?
What if this is just a propaganda story for the Obama administration to sell to the American public?
I don’t see why I should be marginalized for these perfectly legitimate questions.[/quote]
You created answers and quetions on my behalf… that’s just ridiculous.
I do believe this was in our best interest. We rescued hostages in a life threatening situation with precision. No unnecessary lives were lost. You may think, or at least debate, the captors should have been spared, but I see no way for that scenario to play out. They had been given a chance to surrender. Multiple, if memory serves correct.
Aswer my legitimate question, then. Do you believe we should have offered them citizenship in return for the captors? You value their lives don’t you? Do you want them to have a fair shake in life?
This event did happen. I know that for a fact. [/quote]
How does this rescue help you directly?
It doesn’t. It helps make the president look good while making the US military look like exactly what it is – people who kill other people really well.[/quote]
If it were one of your loved ones who were captured by these blood thirsty people I bet you’d be singing a different tune!
And by the way I’m glad the US military can kill people really well.
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
[quote]TheTexican wrote:
Don’t you know what happened with these contractors during the “Wild West” period in Iraq? That was HIGHLY efficient, wasn’t it? [/quote]
What wild, wild west are you talking about?
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The early stages of Iraq, before we became an more of an occupying force. When contractors (BlackWater, Xe, etc.) were reaping huge (corrupt) contracts for their “work” in the area’s of operation.
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
[quote]pushharder wrote:
Answer his question, LIFT.[/quote]
What do you do?[/quote]
I’ll go first. I’ve taken part in IP (Iraqi Police) training for over 12 months. Conducted numerous convoys, took fire, returned fire, conducted other security operations. Spent 6 months in Assghanistan, and was part of the defense of the largest single ground offensive against a US installation since Viet Nam. I also have experience in hostage/barricaded suspect situations in a LE capacity and years of SWAT training and operational experience.
What have you done?
Lift, you’re a fucking asshole who has no appreciation for what the military does. I’d really like to have you dropped in the middle of the desert with an M16 and see how well you survive. My brother served two tours of duty in Iraq and ran over a road-side bomb on his first tour. He’s completely fine physically, but mentally, he still ain’t right. When you go off and insult the military and say that they’re “nothing special”, you’re pretty much insulting my family right to their face. My grandpa served in Korea, other grandpa in Germany in France during WWII. Tow of my uncles went to Vietnam. If you had any sort of a spine then you would shut the fuck up, sit down, and realize how fucking lucky you are to be sitting at your computer right now. Want to know who gave you that right? The American military. You’re an ungrateful little shit who deserves to have his ass beaten. Seriously, it’s fuckers like you who piss me off. And as a future service member, I’d like to give you a big ol’ American “fuck you.” Have a nice day, asshole.
CS
BUMP. I guess LIFTI lost interest.