[quote]Waylander wrote:
Haha this is actually ridiculous. I can’t believe people are actually arguing about who is the most oppressed. It’s almost like they are proud to be so discriminated against “the people in my country hate me more than the people in your country hate you!” This has nothing to do with race. If you are an outsider, then people will find any excuse to hate you.[/quote]
I really want that dog in your avatar
[quote]Waylander wrote:
Haha this is actually ridiculous. I can’t believe people are actually arguing about who is the most oppressed. It’s almost like they are proud to be so discriminated against “the people in my country hate me more than the people in your country hate you!” This has nothing to do with race. If you are an outsider, then people will find any excuse to hate you.[/quote]
No one made that argument at all. What thread are you reading?
it was said that in spite of that hatred, if the “hated people” look mostly like the “non-hated people”, then the hatred won’t last that long socially. The children of those fighting will eventually forget…as opposed to an easily visible and distinguishable physical trait that allows the same hatred to remain for generations because of the ease of identification.
I mean, really, how can you argue against that statement?
These threads are fucking epic, I for one enjoy them immensely. This thread has had a nice bit of good intelligent discussion, mild-bitter racism, decent jokes and plenty of ignorance. What more could you want?
Seriously why talk about racism, it’s not going away anytime soon. Just deal with being discriminated against because of your skin colour every now and then with some well meaning violence.
Having said that I think all races should join together and initiate the war on gingers.
Well, Jewish people in Europe could largely pass for European, but that didn’t stop them from gathering us up every 100 years or so and expelling or killing us.
How is this bullshit thread still going on? Racism exists, much like war, it’s a horrible aspect of the “human condition” It’ll never go away, and that’s due to the bigots of the world and also in part to the oppressed who refuse to move away from wrongdoings that were done to their ancestors.
I’m the first admit I’ve said things in poor taste and laughed at things which would certainly make even the most serious of peoples blood boil…but I mean, come on.
[quote]Edgy wrote:
[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:
Wait… I’m not done yet…[/quote]
wish I had a buck for everytime I said that~[/quote]
Yeah I don’t have that problem…I mean…nevermind damn
[quote]Jewbacca wrote:
Well, Jewish people in Europe could largely pass for European, but that didn’t stop them from gathering us up every 100 years or so and expelling or killing us.[/quote]
Yeah…but they also used things like tattoos, brands, and the Star of David to identify Jews.
They don’t need any of that to identify black people.
Many of the people who escaped did so due to how they looked.
The same could never happen in this case.
Racism is a logical fallacy - you CANNOT generalize from the particular to the general. Most educated people realize this (and I’m not talking college degree either - I didn’t graduate High School).
I grew up in Baltimore in a predominantly black neighborhood (Greenmount and 33rd). Then when I was 11 I moved to Hampden which, back in the 80’s was a VERY racist, predominantly white neighborhood.
An interesting story: I was in 5th grade and in history class we were shown the film Roots, based on Alex Haley’s novel. On the day that they showed Kunta Kinte getting his foot cut off, I was chased home from school by several of my classmates who were upset by the film and wanted to take their anger out on the nearest white person: me. Did I allow that experience to influence how I saw ALL black people (I’m sorry, “African American” people)? Of course not. My first girlfriends were black. Most of my friends were black. The only white friends I had were the children of my mother’s friends, but I saw them very irregularly.
Then I moved and soon discovered that the neighborhood mantra in Hampden was, “black people know better than to come here at night”… So I witnessed and experienced some VERY racist folks. But at the time, I never understood WHY. I eventually arrived at the conclusion that it was simple ignorance, pure and simple, passed down from one generation to the other.
But ignorance is a two way street. While living in the first neighborhood, I saw PLENTY of ignorance being passed down from one generation to another as well. Behavior patterns and ways of thinking that are VERY dysfunctional and pretty much guarantee that only a few will ever leave that situation… Physical violence layered on top of substance abuse and oftentimes layered on top of sexual abuse - not exactly a WIN WIN formula for success… But I didn’t see any “white man keepin’ the black man down”. Pretty much everyone in BOTH neighborhoods were keeping EACHOTHER down. Then you’d have your good Samaritans who would come by every so often to try and make a difference (try to start a “youth center” or a clinic or an after school program or whatever), and you know what happened? They would generally get robbed, or mugged, or their car/property vandalized. This happened in BOTH neighborhoods as well - no matter WHAT the race of the good Samaritan.
As for Affirmative Action and other “race based quota” systems of “empowering” minorities, I am pretty conflicted. While I firmly believe that awards and opportunity should be based on MERIT, having grown up in two neighborhoods with so many cultural and socio-economic “disadvantages”, I could never really expect many people to ever be able to rise above the “noise” of these places to every set goals high enough to get them out of said places. I think a helping hand or a “push” in the right direction IS necessary. But not to the point of just lowering the bar so that EVERYONE passes… The only way I got out was PRISON! LOL Seriously, I went to prison, got a job in the library and read some books that changed my thinking. Most of my friends from either neighborhood are either dead or in jail now.
The educational system in the United States is badly broken in many areas - particularly in inner cities and predominantly poor neighborhoods. How do you fix that? I don’t know - there are plenty of people who are smarter and better educated than I am who can’t answer that. There are VERY old cultural and racial wounds that really haven’t been allowed to heal properly. You cant LEGISLATE sensitivity (although the political correctness police are trying).
I will disagree with the idea that HUMOR is moving things in a negative direction. I’m not talking about preaching HATRED, but bringing a few racial and cultural issues up and then making fun of them ALONG with the cultural issues and tendencies of different races and religions and people can actually make everyone take those differences (either real or imagined) far less seriously. Laughter heals. If we can all learn to laugh at ourselves and realize that some of our opinions are just ridiculous, I see that as moving things in a positive direction. I am NOT condoning racism in any way, I see humor and stand up comedy (in most cases) as a uniting force rather than a divisive force. While sometimes it may be distasteful, it is still one of the only socially acceptable means of openly discussing this topic. And like it or not, no one is going to wave a magic wand and make racism disappear overnight. But we CAN begin to talk about it. We CAN begin/continue the healing process. Humor CAN facilitate this and writing it off completely is being overly sensitive and short sighted, IMHO.
At the end of the day, each of us must do our part. I know that both of my son’s are comfortable around people from ALL races. I don’t tolerate racism in people that I’m close to. I will take my business elsewhere if I perceive a racist vendor - and I’ll let him KNOW IT. We each have a responsibility to promote tolerance. The “gubment” sure as shit won’t do it for us.
my .02
This game was rigged against us black folks from the start with slavery. Until reparations, no peace or love to the other side.
[quote]method_man wrote:
This game was rigged against us black folks from the start with slavery. Until reparations, no peace or love to the other side.
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oh… so you think you are owed something? From whom and who do you think would qualify?
This thread is all over the place. I think the person who said we distrust what we don’t know put it right.
For those of you who feel put upon, is it really EVERY WHITE PERSON or is it a select group?
Threads like this are such a tight rope and so much good and bad, but… it is good to hear it all and keep it in mind.
I don’t consider myself racist I sure hope not, but… who knows. Maybe I do inadvertent things. If so… is it a deliberate slight?
What is the suggestion to stop racism as opposed to just talking bout it? How about steps to stop it? Don’t just talk about the problem, talk about a solution.
So you know, my dad is a very white guy that grew up in Watts, which is a city in Los Angeles. Also, I hated when we went to visit relatives. Does that make me racist? Or does that mean I was treated poorly by the neighborhood when I had to walk to Auntie’s house?
[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
I think the person who said we distrust what we don’t know put it right.
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The proper term for that is Xenophobia, and it’s a trait that is bred into all of us as a means for survival. When taken for what it is, it’s a completely harmless trait.
[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
[quote]method_man wrote:
This game was rigged against us black folks from the start with slavery. Until reparations, no peace or love to the other side.
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oh… so you think you are owed something? From whom and who do you think would qualify?
This thread is all over the place. I think the person who said we distrust what we don’t know put it right.
For those of you who feel put upon, is it really EVERY WHITE PERSON or is it a select group?
Threads like this are such a tight rope and so much good and bad, but… it is good to hear it all and keep it in mind.
I don’t consider myself racist I sure hope not, but… who knows. Maybe I do inadvertent things. If so… is it a deliberate slight?
What is the suggestion to stop racism as opposed to just talking bout it? How about steps to stop it? Don’t just talk about the problem, talk about a solution.
So you know, my dad is a very white guy that grew up in Watts, which is a city in Los Angeles. Also, I hated when we went to visit relatives. Does that make me racist? Or does that mean I was treated poorly by the neighborhood when I had to walk to Auntie’s house?
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Well white people did steal us from our land and used us as their mules, while white folks got 40 acres and a mule. Reparations from the government to prove past wrongs is overdue. I don’t even give a fuck if you are a racist, just be honest about it. There is nothing worse than someone who smiles to your face and calls you nigger behind your back. Straight up cowards.
[quote]method_man wrote:
[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
[quote]method_man wrote:
This game was rigged against us black folks from the start with slavery. Until reparations, no peace or love to the other side.
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oh… so you think you are owed something? From whom and who do you think would qualify?
This thread is all over the place. I think the person who said we distrust what we don’t know put it right. ]
I forgot,… I am also Chinese, a second wife married off to a merchant English man, probably why I have the smallest wrists known to man.
In any case, no one owes you anything.
For those of you who feel put upon, is it really EVERY WHITE PERSON or is it a select group?
Threads like this are such a tight rope and so much good and bad, but… it is good to hear it all and keep it in mind.
I don’t consider myself racist I sure hope not, but… who knows. Maybe I do inadvertent things. If so… is it a deliberate slight?
What is the suggestion to stop racism as opposed to just talking bout it? How about steps to stop it? Don’t just talk about the problem, talk about a solution.
So you know, my dad is a very white guy that grew up in Watts, which is a city in Los Angeles. Also, I hated when we went to visit relatives. Does that make me racist? Or does that mean I was treated poorly by the neighborhood when I had to walk to Auntie’s house?
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Well white people did steal us from our land and used us as their mules, while white folks got 40 acres and a mule. Reparations from the government to prove past wrongs is overdue. I don’t even give a fuck if you are a racist, just be honest about it. There is nothing worse than someone who smiles to your face and calls you nigger behind your back. Straight up cowards.
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I am a Jew and Native American. What do you think you owe me?
I am also white. I think you are bit whacky trying to figure out who owes you what.
[quote]method_man wrote:
[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
[quote]method_man wrote:
This game was rigged against us black folks from the start with slavery. Until reparations, no peace or love to the other side.
[/quote]
oh… so you think you are owed something? From whom and who do you think would qualify?
This thread is all over the place. I think the person who said we distrust what we don’t know put it right.
For those of you who feel put upon, is it really EVERY WHITE PERSON or is it a select group?
Threads like this are such a tight rope and so much good and bad, but… it is good to hear it all and keep it in mind.
I don’t consider myself racist I sure hope not, but… who knows. Maybe I do inadvertent things. If so… is it a deliberate slight?
What is the suggestion to stop racism as opposed to just talking bout it? How about steps to stop it? Don’t just talk about the problem, talk about a solution.
So you know, my dad is a very white guy that grew up in Watts, which is a city in Los Angeles. Also, I hated when we went to visit relatives. Does that make me racist? Or does that mean I was treated poorly by the neighborhood when I had to walk to Auntie’s house?
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Well white people did steal us from our land and used us as their mules, while white folks got 40 acres and a mule. Reparations from the government to prove past wrongs is overdue. I don’t even give a fuck if you are a racist, just be honest about it. There is nothing worse than someone who smiles to your face and calls you nigger behind your back. Straight up cowards.
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Good God there is so much wrong with your paragraph that it isnt funny.
[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
I am a Jew and Native American. What do you think you owe me?
I am also white. I think you are bit whacky trying to figure out who owes you what.
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Even if that uncle Tom, boot licking, sell out nigga Obama did get the government to pay us the money we rightly deserve, that would still not cover the other horrors that the white man inflicted on us. As for what you are, you are NOT black so you’re not in the equation.
[quote]method_man wrote:
[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
I am a Jew and Native American. What do you think you owe me?
I am also white. I think you are bit whacky trying to figure out who owes you what.
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Even if that uncle Tom, boot licking, sell out nigga Obama did get the government to pay us the money we rightly deserve, that would still not cover the other horrors that the white man inflicted on us. As for what you are, you are NOT black so you’re not in the equation.
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Well aren’t you a productive member of society! The black people of America should elect you as their supreme overlord as I’m sure you would right every wrong ever done in a matter of days and then enslave them white devils
[quote]farmerson12 wrote:
Good God there is so much wrong with your paragraph that it isnt funny. [/quote]
What the fuck is so funny about slavery reparations? We were forced to work and BUILD this country for NOTHING. Then a racist ass system of segregation was put into place. Then laws are passed that disproportionately lock up black males while white collar white criminals get to go to country club jails after Uncle Sam slaps their wrist.
[quote]method_man wrote:
[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
I am a Jew and Native American. What do you think you owe me?
I am also white. I think you are bit whacky trying to figure out who owes you what.
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Even if that uncle Tom, boot licking, sell out nigga Obama did get the government to pay us the money we rightly deserve, that would still not cover the other horrors that the white man inflicted on us. As for what you are, you are NOT black so you’re not in the equation.
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why not you tell me that after 2000 years of persecution.
peace be with you .
[quote]JaseHxC wrote:
Well aren’t you a productive member of society! The black people of America should elect you as their supreme overlord as I’m sure you would right every wrong ever done in a matter of days and then enslave them white devils[/quote]
I never said anything about enslaving anyone.
[quote]method_man wrote:
[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
I am a Jew and Native American. What do you think you owe me?
I am also white. I think you are bit whacky trying to figure out who owes you what.
[/quote]
Even if that uncle Tom, boot licking, sell out nigga Obama did get the government to pay us the money we rightly deserve, that would still not cover the other horrors that the white man inflicted on us. As for what you are, you are NOT black so you’re not in the equation.
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What you deserve is a free trip to the doctor to get fixed so you cant reproduce. And that has nothing to do with your race, sex, or nationality. It has to do with your idiotic, insane idea that someone somewhere owes you something. You live in a country where you can achieve what you put effort to. You know what you have been given? Free public school with free meals, welfare, financial aid for college from the government, and other programs that you feel you need…Im sorry DESERVE. If you dont like how things are right now then go out there and try to change it you sorry son of a bitch.