Scientists Discover the Obvious

Subtitle: Hippy Social Theories Under Fire Again…

[i]Male monkeys prefer boys’ toys

* 17:28 04 April 2008
* NewScientist.com news service
* Ewen Callaway

It’s thought of as a sexual stereotype: boys tend to play with toy cars and diggers, while girls like dolls. But male monkeys, suggests research, are no different (see a related video report: http://link.brightcove.com/services/link/bcpid1250579695/bclid1252300654/bctid1489847316 ).

This could mean that males, whether human or monkey, have a biological predisposition to certain toys, says Kim Wallen, a psychologist at Yerkes National Primate Research Center in Atlanta, Georgia.

Wallen’s team looked at 11 male and 23 female rhesus monkeys. In general the males preferred to play with wheeled toys, such as dumper trucks, over plush dolls, while female monkeys played with both kinds of toys.

This conclusion may upset those psychologists who insist that sex differences �?? for example the tendency of boys to favour toy soldiers and girls to prefer dolls �?? depend on social factors, not innate differences.
Guys and dolls

“A five-year-old boy whose compatriots discover has a collection of Barbies is likely to take a lot of flak,” Wallen says.

Social factors undoubtedly influence children’s preferences, he says, but in general boys tend to be pickier with toys than girls.

To try and tease out the effects of nature over those of nurture, Wallen and his colleagues studied a group of captive rhesus monkeys. His team reasoned that the choices of the monkeys wouldn’t be determined by social pressures. Most of the study animals were juvenile (age one to four years), but some sub-adult and adult monkeys were included.

“They are not subject to advertising. They are not subject to parental encouragement, they are not subject to peer chastisement,” Wallen says.
Monkey fun

Wallen’s team offered the monkeys two categories of toys: “wheeled” and “plush”. The wheeled toys, intended to be masculine, included wagons and vehicles. The more feminine plush toys included Winnie the Pooh and Raggedy-Ann dolls.

Two toys, one wheeled and one plush, were placed 10 metres apart. At first the monkeys formed a circle around a toy, but eventually one would snatch the toy and run off. Other monkeys soon joined in the fun, Wallen says.

The researchers captured play sessions on video and measured how long each monkey spent with plush versus wheeled toys. The team found that the males spent more time playing with wheeled toys, while the females played with both plush and wheeled toys equally.
‘Compelling results’

Wallen cautions against over-interpreting the results. The plush and wheeled categories served as proxies for feminine and masculine, but other toy characteristics, such as size or colour, might explain the male’s behaviour, he says. Or the male monkeys might seek out more physically active toys, he says.

But the study ties in with a previous experiment with green vervet monkeys showing that males favour masculine toys.

“Together the results are compelling,” says Gerianne Alexander, a psychologist at Texas A&M University in College Station, who led the vervet monkey study.

She thinks that biological differences between sexes start the ball rolling toward learned preferences for play toys.

“There is likely to be a biological tendency that is amplified by society,” she says.

Journal reference: Hormones and Behavior (DOI: 10.1016/j.yhbeh.2008.03.008 Redirecting )[/i]

Why do these studies never comment on the control group? Without knowledge of the entire procedure any result observed is irrelevant.

You might be able to get that from the link to the actual study at the bottom - it’s gated to me, but I’m not at a university.

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6WGC-4S4JYTM-5&_user=10&_rdoc=1&_fmt=&_orig=search&_sort=d&view=c&_acct=C000050221&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=10&md5=fb36e2e528990867448fd51ec26bb090

[quote]BostonBarrister wrote:
Subtitle: Hippy Social Theories Under Fire Again…

This conclusion may upset those psychologists who insist that sex differences �?? for example the tendency of boys to favour toy soldiers and girls to prefer dolls �?? depend on social factors, not innate differences.
Guys and dolls

“A five-year-old boy whose compatriots discover has a collection of Barbies is likely to take a lot of flak,” Wallen says.

/quote]

A case of researchers with out children talking about the beliefs of other childless people.

Anyone who has kids know that the boys naturally go for boy toys and girls, girl toys long before before social factors could have any influence.

Also, five year olds don’t care what their friends play with. they’re either interested in their toys or they’re not. There’s no social judgement at five. They are very excepting at that age.

[quote]on edge wrote:

A case of researchers with out children talking about the beliefs of other childless people.

Anyone who has kids know that the boys naturally go for boy toys and girls, girl toys long before before social factors could have any influence.

Also, five year olds don’t care what their friends play with. they’re either interested in their toys or they’re not. There’s no social judgement at five. They are very excepting at that age.[/quote]

…Unless they’re gay. You give the average boy that age a Barbie doll and the head will be off in five minutes while he uses the torso as a battering ram to tear down some other kids tower of blocks.

I am glad science is finding great ways to spend money…on important studies…like this one.

While I agree studies like this are probably silly, some of you guys have to realize two things about science.

  1. Science is as much a political game as anything else, and as such securing funding often requires picking less exciting, more predictable projects over exciting, unpredictable ones. Scientists generally don’t get to pick and choice what research they get paid to do…

  2. Doing good science is just plain hard. There’s a reason major breakthroughs arn’t made every day. So, instead of whining in the occasional thread that comes up about some silly research, go and do your own original, ground-breaking research. The old put up or shut up.

And besides, the devil is indeed in the details… so, while all of you experts out there might just KNOW that boys innately prefer masculine toys over girls, can any of you provide a detailed, coherent account of human development and child behavior that predicts and accounts for all the empirical data on child raising and ties together the sociological, biological, and psychological factors? I think not.

While this type of research obviously doesn’t quite get us there either, it is just one small part in “working out the details” of such a comprehensive theory. So, while of course on some crude interpretations this research is totally silly, there are probably many other applications that benefit any potential theory.

Sorry, there’s been threads before like this here, and well to be honest, all this talk of “dumb scientists” doing “silly research” is sometimes just plain silly.

When I was eight years old, I found the barbie toys of my neighbour hottie friend quite cool, because they were really flexible. Compared to this Ken contortionist, my Lego and Playmobile dudes were like wooden toys.
On the other hand, I saw no point in playing more then a minute with them, they lacked stuff like armour, weapons and muscle.

I’d make my friends’ Barbies have sex with my He-Mans.

What category does that fall into?

[quote]ElbowStrike wrote:
I’d make my friends’ Barbies have sex with my He-Mans.

What category does that fall into?[/quote]

Unprotected childhood.

Here we go again. Just heard, moments ago on NPR, “studies show men with deeper voices are sexier than men with higher pitched voices”. I give up.

[quote]on edge wrote:
Here we go again. Just heard, moments ago on NPR, “studies show men with deeper voices are sexier than men with higher pitched voices”. I give up.[/quote]

Shocking. I guess that means no more Mike Tyson speech classes.

[quote]on edge wrote:
Here we go again. Just heard, moments ago on NPR, “studies show men with deeper voices are sexier than men with higher pitched voices”. I give up.[/quote]

Awhile back, maybe about a year ago, scientists confirmed that women prefer guys with muscles. Good to see all that general research money is being well-spent.

[quote]kaaleppi wrote:
ElbowStrike wrote:
I’d make my friends’ Barbies have sex with my He-Mans.

What category does that fall into?

Unprotected childhood.[/quote]

Lol I got cheap ghetto Barbies that were soft plastic, so my brothers shoved the boobs inverted and hung them from things. Murdered mutilated Barbies. Fuckin bunch of Dahmers.