School Shooting in Connecticut

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[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]NikH wrote:

[quote]Airtruth wrote:
Most of these shooters die but unless we get into the minds of these people there’s no real way to prevent this. He could easily have killed on armed security guard, or bought a gun illegally.[/quote]

Easily preventable by not selling semiautomatic rifles to civilians. And the only rifles should be sold to hunters which are not automatic either. Why does any civilian need to have a bushmaster assault-rifle? It’s meant for killing people not hunting.

If you are paranoid and need a gun for safety a handgun might do as well.
If you think ‘oh we needz ak47 cuz criminals have them’ well those criminals arent gonna attack with automatic rifles unless you are doing some really shady business.

All these schoolshootings are done by depressed twisted white male ‘non-criminals’ who dont plan to survive, and your gun stores sell the best tools for killing people. Wadap.

USA is pretty much the only ‘developed’ country in the world that has metaldetectors in schools. :<[/quote]

hooves clattering ^

See what I mean, folks? Never let a serious crisis go to waste. SOMETHING, ANYTHING MUST BE DONE! Right, wrong or indifferent, DO SOMETHING!

If the nutjob had driven a dump truck on to the school grounds and killed 26 people would the clamor of “Ban Dump Trucks” have resounded across the land? Umm…I doubt it.

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Probably not, but investigating how someone willing to do such an act was able to obtain a licence and then a dump truck would probably in order. For the record, I think the majority of people on the road should never have received a license in the first place but that’s neither here nor there.

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[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]NikH wrote:

[quote]Airtruth wrote:
Most of these shooters die but unless we get into the minds of these people there’s no real way to prevent this. He could easily have killed on armed security guard, or bought a gun illegally.[/quote]

Easily preventable by not selling semiautomatic rifles to civilians. And the only rifles should be sold to hunters which are not automatic either. Why does any civilian need to have a bushmaster assault-rifle? It’s meant for killing people not hunting.

If you are paranoid and need a gun for safety a handgun might do as well.
If you think ‘oh we needz ak47 cuz criminals have them’ well those criminals arent gonna attack with automatic rifles unless you are doing some really shady business.

All these schoolshootings are done by depressed twisted white male ‘non-criminals’ who dont plan to survive, and your gun stores sell the best tools for killing people. Wadap.

USA is pretty much the only ‘developed’ country in the world that has metaldetectors in schools. :<[/quote]

hooves clattering ^

See what I mean, folks? Never let a serious crisis go to waste. SOMETHING, ANYTHING MUST BE DONE! Right, wrong or indifferent, DO SOMETHING!

If the nutjob had driven a dump truck on to the school grounds and killed 26 people would the clamor of “Ban Dump Trucks” have resounded across the land? Umm…I doubt it.

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Well, it might if dump trucks were designed in such a way that they were EXTREMELY efficient at killing people AND they were being used in more and more tragic killings at an accelerating rate.

It’s stupid and ignorant to think that banning assault rifles and handguns will put an end to this sort of madness. It won’t. But it can help, and considering what’s at stake, the lives of children and other innocents, I think it would be pretty selfish to not acknowledge that it just might be worth enacting harsher measures to at least find out if it alleviates the situation at all.

If someone said “DB, if you give up that big fucking .500 Magnum that you like to stare at while jerking off, there MIGHT be a 1% decrease in the likelihood that innocent children get shot and killed at their school” then I’m all for giving the gun up. I wish I could keep it, and I intend on keeping it until someone takes it away from me or I am forced to turn it in, but if there is ANY chance at all that harsher gun-control laws can lessen the chances that children get shot to death, then I think it is beyond worth exploring that chance further.

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http://news.yahoo.com/okla-teen-arrested-school-shooting-plot-184243533.html

http://news.yahoo.com/police-gunman-wounds-3-alabama-hospital-165610656.html

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[quote]Fuzzyapple.Train wrote:
Is there not some storage law for firearms as well? As hard as they may be to enforce here in Canada you must have a trigger lock (or some kind of mechanical mechanism to prevent firing) and locked up in a gun cabinet or separate room. I bought my dad a gun case that has him have a trigger lock, breaks the barrel off the gun and the case locks as five separate points.

RCMP can knock on your door and ask “How is your gun storage today?” without notice if they suspect anything etc. It was quite easy for myself to buy a gun for my dad through the mail once I had my license to do so. However, only hunting rifles and shotguns with a five clip max only semi-auto.

What this adds to the debate, I’m not sure.[/quote]

I think something like that would be a great idea. It would also help prevent all those deaths by children who find their parents guns and play with them not fully understanding them.

I also think a psychological evaluation and a basic firearms safety course should be taken and passed before owning a firearm. Maybe something like a lenient federal standard regarding the tests and individual states can add to the standards if they like.

But I’m definitely not for an outright ban on guns.

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fuck DB, that was a great post. Mad respect, I actually learned something.

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also, a friend of mine posted this on his facebook status, I though it was quite enlightening.

Morgan Freeman’s statement about these random shootings…

"You want to know why. This may sound cynical, but here’s why.

It’s because of the way the media reports it. Flip on the news and watch how we treat the Batman theater shooter and the Oregon mall shooter like celebrities. Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris are household names, but do you know the name of a single victim of Columbine? Disturbed people who would otherwise just off themselves in their basements see the news and want to top it by doing something worse, and going out in a memorable way. Why a grade school? Why children? Because he’ll be remembered as a horrible monster, instead of a sad nobody.

CNN’s article says that if the body count “holds up”, this will rank as the second deadliest shooting behind Virginia Tech, as if statistics somehow make one shooting worse than another. Then they post a video interview of third-graders for all the details of what they saw and heard while the shootings were happening. Fox News has plastered the killer’s face on all their reports for hours. Any articles or news stories yet that focus on the victims and ignore the killer’s identity? None that I’ve seen yet. Because they don’t sell. So congratulations, sensationalist media, you’ve just lit the fire for someone to top this and knock off a day care center or a maternity ward next.

You can help by forgetting you ever read this man’s name, and remembering the name of at least one victim. You can help by donating to mental health research instead of pointing to gun control as the problem."

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[quote]legendaryblaze wrote:
I didn’t read the thread, but I figure it has devolved in to a typical “gun rights/ban” thread.
I expect the usual retards to come out of the woodworks.

I bet some of those retards saying WELL WE DON’T NEED ASSAULT RIFLES or AUTOMATIC RIFLES.
No, we don’t need them.

However, I’d like you to consider the type of firearms used in school shootings and rampages. Then I’d like you to realize that 99.999% of these incidents involve semi-automatic handguns, SA rifles and/or shotguns.

I do not recall there ever being any sort of fully automatic rifle or pistol being used during these school shootings.

In which case, what exactly is the point of saying automatic weapons should be banned, despite their availability, when they are (pretty much) never used to perpetrate school shootings?

Do you morons not realize that handguns are actually way more dangerous than fully automatic rifles?
Even gang on gang crimes are predominantly handguns perpetrated.

FUCK![/quote]

If anything your post only proves that stiffer gun regulation works. Fully automatics are not used because they are not as available. If they were I would wager that these incidents would be worse yet.

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[quote]PB Andy wrote:
also, a friend of mine posted this on his facebook status, I though it was quite enlightening.

Morgan Freeman’s statement about these random shootings…

"You want to know why. This may sound cynical, but here’s why.

It’s because of the way the media reports it. Flip on the news and watch how we treat the Batman theater shooter and the Oregon mall shooter like celebrities. Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris are household names, but do you know the name of a single victim of Columbine? Disturbed people who would otherwise just off themselves in their basements see the news and want to top it by doing something worse, and going out in a memorable way. Why a grade school? Why children? Because he’ll be remembered as a horrible monster, instead of a sad nobody.

CNN’s article says that if the body count “holds up”, this will rank as the second deadliest shooting behind Virginia Tech, as if statistics somehow make one shooting worse than another. Then they post a video interview of third-graders for all the details of what they saw and heard while the shootings were happening. Fox News has plastered the killer’s face on all their reports for hours. Any articles or news stories yet that focus on the victims and ignore the killer’s identity? None that I’ve seen yet. Because they don’t sell. So congratulations, sensationalist media, you’ve just lit the fire for someone to top this and knock off a day care center or a maternity ward next.

You can help by forgetting you ever read this man’s name, and remembering the name of at least one victim. You can help by donating to mental health research instead of pointing to gun control as the problem."[/quote]

Why does the news report it like this? Ratings. Why do they get such high ratings? We watch it. If one news station decided not to air any news covering the shooting, they would lose viewers to competing stations. It’s not the fault of the news imo. Why do we have to always find some scapegoat (media, videogames, gun laws) in tradgedies like this?

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[quote]pushharder wrote:
“Safety at any and all costs!”[/quote]

Who is advocating any and all costs? Most that I’ve heard is advocating stiffer gun regulations as a part of solving this problem not the end all solution.