Yeah. I find it 100% disingenuous to argue that things Trump did not say- as he has not said anything racist- can spur on hate groups to commit crimes, yet rhetoric that directly calls for violence and imagery that depicts violence created by the left- is not responsible for violence.
Its fucking horseshit. Not even high end academic horseshit. Its the cheap stuff said by dumb dumbs.
People need to just own their own shit. Honestly say to themselves “I don’t like what other people do, and I’m willing to hurt them for it.” instead of hiding their motives and actions behind a cause.
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Mistakes happen. No big deal.
Thanks my friend.
Well, celebs get the media attention.
I agree to an extent but we all must realize that there are people walking the street who are already unbalanced and when they here violent rhetoric that might be all they need to act out.
I agree. In a perfect world we don’t have crazies and we don’t have hateful rhetoric. Unfortunately the only “fix” for situations like this (since we indeed have crazies and hateful rhetoric) are to impose restrictions on free speech.
Imo making this political in any way only serves to give these violent idiots an excuse for their actions, when they don’t come close to deserving it.
Agree and I’ll add that it’s up to all of us to remain appalled no matter who is victimized. I’ve seen quite a bit of cherry picking over the last 6 months or so.
That said, keep in mind that crazy right wing nut jobs don’t control elite college campuses. I expect more from supposed leaders of tomorrow and their professors than what I’ve been watching. Besides, my kids gotta go to university at some point and I want them taught how, not what, to think. And I want them safe.
I agree. But since you can’t require these examples to be set without limiting free speech, and guns are stupidly easy to obtain, we’re stuck in a world with hateful rhetoric AND easily armed crazy people.
The least we could do is acknowledge that people are responsible for their own actions and try to do better in the future.
You’ve said some pretty awful things about Obama. I’ve never seen you advocate violence against Obama, but you’ve reached pretty low in attacking Obama here in PWI - I recently noted your slandering Obama as hating white people.
I’m not raising this to zing you, this is no personal attack - but I’m trying to understand why you now take this high-road approach to criticism (“only attack policies”) but you personally didn’t do that with Obama.
Were you wrong then to attack Obama the way you did? Because if you’re willing to admit that, what you say makes sense. If you don’t, then your claims about how to treat Trump more fairly ring hollow.
My humble view on the “climate of hate”-as-causation: you either buy it for both sides, or you don’t buy it for both sides. The idea that anyone could say “yeah, my side says some ugly things but doesn’t cause any violence, but your side says uglier things and does cause violence” is preposterous and nothing but reckless and desperate partisanship by another name. Any such claim is predicated on that person’s apparent expertise in calibrating the exact speech or volume of speech that triggers a nut job to pull the trigger - an expertise he or she obviously doesn’t have.
I always have done and will continue to do that, and I do largely agree with you. I’m simply surprised and appalled at who has been engaging in this level of rhetoric lately. It’s not the people I would expect see ranting all over the Internet and FB. And separately on Hollywood, I do suppose that one should expect that even A list Hollywood celebrities (in addition to the D listers like Kathy Griffin) are crazy. And again, my bubble, may not be representative, etc. But damn, has it gotten weird lately.
All colors, creeds, parties etc… have losers and murderous loons that their owners want to disavow and their oponents want to assign blame for. Sometimes society just produces defective people.
The derangement syndrome level of discourse has been getting worse since the 24 hour news cycle and then the internet. I think it started escalating with Clinton and then really kicked into high gear with Bush/Obama/Trump. It’s no longer enough to not like the other team… you have to believe they have alters to Molok inside a Pizza shop lol.
It is the left’s turn to oppose the president. They tend to have more violent student riots (think the 1960’s). The MSM, colleges and celebrities all can’t abide dissenting opinions. They excuse their own violent rhetoric and blame Palin for a map with “targeted” congressional districts. There is a double standard and social media is exposing it for the world to see.
The venom directed at Trump and Republicans is 5x what Obama had to put up with.
Observe what happened in France today. Such a French thing to do, punch a woman.
Right leaning French woman politician punched out while campaigning. Considering what the French have done to their leaders in the past, not the worst that could happen.
“When the man, described as middle-aged, grabbed the leaflets and tried to throw them in her face, NKM, as she is known, put her hand up to protect herself, then appeared to lose her balance and fall.”
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“According to an Agence France-Presse journalist, NKM is thought to have hit her head on the ground, causing her to black out for several minutes.”
Not trying to excuse what he did, but it doesn’t sound like he ‘punched her out.’
That’s the lie I would be paying lawyers to make up if I was being brought up on charges for assaulting a female politician.
I’m not sure what the law is in France, but in many US jurisdictions the fact the victim ended up unconscious would make that an easy assault charge, maybe plead down to criminal mischief.
I thought that might be a more interesting one to examine since none of us have pre existing bias about French politics.
I am a very sceptical person. I’d wager if you threw leaflets into the faces of 1000 women very very few of then would end up unconscious on the ground. Maybe 1… maybe.
Did Pelosi really use the word “sanctimonious”? That takes stones coming from her. Every time I’m annoyed by Trump or an idiot politician on the right I remember Pelosi/Reid/Feinstein/Schumer/Waters. Apparently politics does not attract the best and brightest.
Ah well let’s pass the bill to find out what’s in it.