Headhunter I agree. I’m not sure why our doctors are behind regarding T via SC. They’re doing it in Canada and Endos here are now going that route. I think it’s perfectly safe, no difference in labs, and much more pleasant than the IM for life. I think my Dr makes guys use a 22g 1.5" because he wants it to be unpleasant. His preferred method is transdermal. If it didn’t leave a slight oily residue I would use it. It was great stuff! Until they square that away I’m on the shots.
Transdermal sucks ass compared to injections. Having all that creamy crap on your legs and/or torso just ruins clothes and your levels drop dramatically.
My level was 1200 on 75mg of T cream and it’s now around 900 on 100mg a week of T cyp. The cream Crisler perscribes works really well. I just didn’t like the slight residue it left behind on forearm application.
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
KSman wrote:
bushidobadboy wrote:
KSman wrote:
Do not attempt with 1mg insulin syringes.
Why not?
I do this with no problems, though it takes a little while to get the oil through the 30G needle.
BBB
The smaller syringes with smaller diameter plungers will develop over 200PSI when injecting. With a larger syringe, pressures will be lower and the already slow injection would be too slow.
Helps to put the syringe on a hot pad, set on low for 15 minutes too…lets the oil flow nice and smooth.
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I’ve read that just keeping the ample that yer drawing from under your arm and let your own body heat change it’s viscosity.
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Let’s spread the word on this, guys. Many newbies shy away from HRT because they think they need to do a 1.5" 21 gauge deep IM for the rest of their lives. A lot of people will shy away from that and use Androgel/Testim.
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Good point, I know “I” do.
I had the same issues on drawing taking forever until I bought a box of 18 gauge needles for draw, then switch to a 25 for injection. With the pressures through a 25 be sure to get the type of syringes and needles that screw on (leur lok).
Went to SC every third day in January and the labs show little if any difference.
OK, need to explain that #18 needles create a risk of coring out some rubber fragments into the fluid. At best this will plug your #25 and at worst you inject rubber with your SC or IM injection.
When I was doing injections originally, I found that T cyp [Watson’s] .5ml loads and injection times were not a concern with 1.5" #23 3ml.
I was wondering about coring the stopper…
I tried #23 and found it still a tad uncomfortable. #25’s were tolerable.
Thanks KSman
PS: Is your avatar pic the T molecule?
[quote]GaryCDeWitt wrote:
PS: Is your avatar pic the T molecule?
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Yes, in an iconic fashion.
If anyone is thinking of trying SC T cyp shots I did it for 8 months problem free. My Dr asked me to try a new T gel so I agreed to switch. I have to admit after a month I’m really pleased with it. Absorbs well and leaves no residue of any kind behind. I also enjoy the moderate daily dopamine rush from it. It’s great stuff! Previously I really liked the T cream but it left an oily film behind. The gel has fixed that issue.
[quote]brentf13 wrote:
If anyone is thinking of trying SC T cyp shots I did it for 8 months problem free. My Dr asked me to try a new T gel so I agreed to switch. I have to admit after a month I’m really pleased with it. Absorbs well and leaves no residue of any kind behind. I also enjoy the moderate daily dopamine rush from it. It’s great stuff! Previously I really liked the T cream but it left an oily film behind. The gel has fixed that issue. [/quote]
Some will want to know more about the NEW T gel. Brand name or compounded? %T? What volume needs to be applied and compare to the old T cream?
[quote]KSman wrote:
brentf13 wrote:
If anyone is thinking of trying SC T cyp shots I did it for 8 months problem free. My Dr asked me to try a new T gel so I agreed to switch. I have to admit after a month I’m really pleased with it. Absorbs well and leaves no residue of any kind behind. I also enjoy the moderate daily dopamine rush from it. It’s great stuff! Previously I really liked the T cream but it left an oily film behind. The gel has fixed that issue.
Some will want to know more about the NEW T gel. Brand name or compounded? %T? What volume needs to be applied and compare to the old T cream?[/quote]
Yeah, is it from a compounding pharmacy?
Just to let everyone know, I’m in a relationship with a pharmacist, and one thing the doctor and the instructions didn’t tell me that my girlfriend did is a case study is out on Androgel, I’m sure it applys to all transdermals.
Contact with the area that the gel is applied to will give a female 4 times her limit for Testosterone at 12 hours. They have done studies at 8 hours also. This is also with washing the area. Also applies to children.
I really don’t care to wear a T-shirt when sleeping or having sex, so me and my doc are going to have a little talk. Going to get my referal to the Endo, cause GP’s really don’t know shit.
And thanks for all the great reading, I get more knowledgeable everytime I’m on here.
Too Tall, I would be interested in reading that study if you or your girlfriend still had access to it. Thanks
what does the acronym SC refer to?
[quote]hammertime2 wrote:
what does the acronym SC refer to?[/quote]
Injections under the skin, into fat tissue. Also seen as SQ.
IM is into muscle.
I’ll have her to get it. She didn’t have a problem with me getting on HRT, but when she did a little research on the Androgel, that’s when she found the case study.
One other thing, I read about the Adex, but can never find it anywhere. Is it prescription or OTC. Is Arimidex the same as Adex. Dr’s around here are not very knowledgeable so I’ll be giving them a lesson or two. They will just have to drop the god complex when a patient is a little more knowledgeable then them.
Yeah the new gel I’m using is a 5% gel from a compounding pharmacy. I’ll look at the label to see which one tonight. I’m still really pleased with it. It seems like I respond better to daily fluctuating T levels than the steady state of every three day T injections.
It applies like the cream on the forearms but with now residue at all. Dries in about 90 seconds and disappears.
I’m a little curious about the Androgel study. Once the gel dries I find it a little hard to believe that transfer is a big issue. Androgel doesn’t absorb well to begin with let alone when it’s totally dry.
I’m curious about the cost of T injections versus Androgel or compounded T cream. Anybody got any info on that?