How high did you go on the Var? The gains start from around 75mg upwards. 100mg blows anything out the water, even tren in my opinion but also sends BP through the roof.
Agreed on the Dbol though, currently running 20mg a day and feeling great in addition to the Drol.
SB
This time around will be 4 weeks at 200/week 8 weeks at 600/week both tren E followed with a 2 week tapper off of tren ace so 14 weeks in total.
Edit: the first 4 weeks was also 50mg of tren base Pwo so I guess technically it was 550 week tren
You can stay lean with anything you use no aas is going to make you fat your diet dicates everything. A lot of people say they hold a lot of water with dbol and bloat up I didnāt notice a issue until my diet started getting sloppy. Soon as my sodium increased I started holding more water and would wake up with pressure in my hands and feet. I think dbol would be great for a cut (or diet) generally when Iām in a caloric deficit I feel flat and just not always in the best mood. Dbol makes me feel great mood wise and my muscles feel very full. Another thing to watch is the gyno issue. I personally donāt run into gyno issues which is another reason I love dbol but itās common for guys to have issues with it.
I started at 50mg/day and increased it to 100 I ran it for 6 weeks. I didnāt get any BP issues I donāt know I guess my biggest complaint is I was just underwhelmed by it. I always see guys say itās like Godās gift so maybe I had unrealistic expectations but I just got bad pumps in my lats and pecs. Maybe if I was leaner say sub 10% bf I would appreciate it more.
Dbol is my favorite solo oral but dbol/adrol is hands down my favorite oral combo I run em both at 50mg/day 25dbol am/pm and 50 adrol PWO
Hands down the best recommendation, thanks brother!!
SB
Thatās 100mg orals/dayā¦ holy shitā¦ and I thought I was pretty badass for trying 40mg dbol for one singular day
Donāt take this the wrong way but you are still young and not nearly as developed as sing is. I would never suggest taking that amount for someone in your position. 20mg dbol (I believe is what you were taking) is a great dose to start with and get an idea of how you handle the drug.
Really Iām not suggesting anyone take a certain amount as we are all so different in how we handle drugs. Iām just giving my experience with compounds.
Certainly agreed, I take 20mg, I tried 40mg for one singular day as I was merely curious what āmega dosesā feel like
I only use for about 5 days at a time as specified prior. 40mg is excessive for me (and isnāt a dose Iād ever be particularly comfortable taking)
I have however, come a fair way since my last photo. Iāll see if I can post a picture tomorrow (thereās about 10-15 lbs difference)
It should also be noted Singhbuilderās physique is not an accurate or obtainable goal for me to strive for. Such incredible levels of muscular development probably arenāt possible for me in relation to what I am willing to do/not do. Furthermore thereās the genetic attribute (vascularity etc) thus itās typically best too merely do the best with what one has rather than continually compare and sigh saying āoh I wish I had this guys back/chest/armsāā¦ you donātā¦ and you never will have the exact shape of someone else without implants lol.
Perhaps in twenty years from now Iāll have a physique reminiscent of his. I believe I could perhaps in the far future obtain a similar level of muscularity (albeit at a far higher body fat percentage)
I just looked at my prior (first cycle) thread though, and itās actually astounding to see how far Iāve come since Iāve posted my last few pics. Itās interesting, because on a day/day basis one doesnāt notice changes, and I even begin to wonder whether Iām progressing at allā¦ then I look back at pics from 6 months ago and itās clearly evident I have. Unfortunately (and Iām not fucking with you, this is legitimateā¦ not an excuseā¦ seriously, as much as this might sound like an excuseā¦ itās notā¦ I canāt push this enough, Iām SERIOUS) my phone camera is broken (dropped phone on concrete + submerged in water on numerous occasions)ā¦ so I could take a pic, but all youād get is a blurry outline of my silhouette. Canāt use my brothers (I have a twin who is 5ā10-11, weighs about 50kg, we look like polar opposites) phone (heās kind of a dick about everything nowadays as heās super stressed over exams)
Iāve even managed to fix many of my muscular imbalances! Unfortunately however due to bursitis being present within my left subacromial bursa, I have a LOT of trouble activating my left deltoid, and considering thereās considerable imbalance between the two I have to double or even triple up on work for my left deltoid (getting cortisone shot after I come back from Europe, didnāt want to do it before for fear of complications), as activating the muscles there and getting a good squeeze is difficult (certain angles/ ranges of motion Iāve found to work), however itās fucking difficult to activate comparative to the right deltā¦
Canāt bench/OHP/press aside from dips, these donāt bother me, so they serve as the ONLY chest exercise I can do. My chest routine works like this (as itās all I can do)
Ring dips 3x8-12
Parallel bar dips 3x15-20 (directly after)
machine dips (put on an appreciableā¦ for me, probably light as hell for you) weight, so say 130-140kilograms and do 6x6, always have terrific DOMS in all portions of my pectorals the next dayā¦ might slow progress, but it gets the job done adequately to still improve pec development, albeit at a slower rateā¦ works DAMN well for front (anterior head) delts though
I agree 100%.
Sing has a great physique as does aaron. I personally prefer the larger bulky look compared to the shredded vascular look but I have great appreciation for both.
I couldnāt even imagine posting a boxers pic or even a shirtless Pic. Iām 6 foot hovering around 220-225 currently with a last bf reading of 14% and I still feel small. Really the only time I feel big is when Iām in the gym working out and I realize Iām bigger then 90% of the guys around me.
I seriously canāt shoot a pic. My phones cameras are ACTUALLY fucked
Iād be happy to shoot a pic if I could, my deltoids look very, very large (theyāve blown up with me deciding to do a shiiiiiiit ton of lateral raises as often as possible) as does my neck (18.5 inch neck unflexed at 5ā4) 44 inch chest (not big) arms lag behind as alwaysā¦ they suck ass, around 14.8 inches now, but due to large shoulder size it doesnāt matter. 29 inch waist, 164 lbs. (waist is genetic)
Iām not big, but thatās last pic I posted didnāt months ago or so, itās like that but +15 pounds accompanied with minimal gain in BF%. I have another 15 lbs to go before I look ābigā
At the moment itās more along the lines of aesthetic (at least I think so) due to large shoulders and a small waist. Arms were 14.0 in last pics, so about an inch increase, I need another half inch before they look good by themselves. (Keep in mind my wrists barely budge 6.5 inches in curcumference, almost 2 standard deviations off the statistical norm)
I appear to be very torso dominant, my shoulders, back, chest etc overshadow my arm development entirelyā¦ Iām not big/huge but Iām very happy with my progressā¦ Iām sure Iāll lose everything traveling for 7-8 weeks lol
Will probs go to gym 3x/wk (and sporadically every day at times) employ full body workouts to get the most bang for my buck
Currently going 7 days/wk (one day is dedicated to cardio only)
Iām just really hesitant to post them on the internet. I talk to a few guys from the forum thru text that Il trade pics with but something about it being on here makes me uneasy. Iām sure if I was more comfortable with my physique I would. Just part of my body dysmorphia 
Youāre in the US right? Iām going to be in the US in January
Are you in NYC or Philadelphia?
Iām in the DC area
Iām one of @zeek1414ās T Mag pen pals and I can attest that his name should be Zeek the Freak!! 
On this note I have a couple of other T Mag pen pals that I text with. If you guys can connect, I would encourage you to make those connections. I enjoy them very much
WELLā¦ because Iām moronic and impatient/irresponsible Iāve decided to use the dbol for a longer duration of time. Approximately 14 days (20mg). This is possibly the worst, most immature reason/excuse ever butā¦ Being on an oral over the next two weeks will allow me to consciously skip out on consuming any amount of alcoholic beverage during graduation celebrations, itās a terrible excuse because I could consciously skip out anywayā¦ but this makes it worthwhile to not partakeā¦ thatās how Iāll somehow justify this to myself
Actual reason isā¦ gainzzzzzzz, both physical gains and coffin gains (250mg test 100mg mast and 20mg dbol/day for 2 wks is 100% graveyard gains)
Youl be fine bro. Realistically no permanent damage can be caused by this unless you have some sorta major underlying medical condition in which case you shouldnāt be using anything besides your prescribed trt.
And really if your gonna use dbol might as well use it for an amount of time that can actually make a lasting difference otherwise theres no point in even trying it.
Autonomic dysfunction (used to cause heart to beat fast sometimes, look up POTS, itās harmless but can be irritating) I take medication so itās not an issue at all anymore. Iām also on the spectrum (autism spectrum disorder). The autonomic dysfunction is part of what instills my chronic pain, is linked/goes hand in hand to fibromyalgia/ BJHMS.
I assume 2 weeks is an amount of time that could make a difference, I canāt use for longer because Iām going to Europe (I can use forā¦ two week and six days), considering Iāve been on for four days. I think two weeks should suffice though.
Permenant damage can certainly be caused, if Iām incredibly unlucky and say one day here itās 40 degrees Celsius (about 110 F) and Iām dehydrated, but banging out multiple sets of deadlifts with high reps, sweating bucketsā¦ the pro-arrythmiac effect of AAS + electrolyte imbalance due to dehydration induces an extremely unlucky deterioration into VF and I dieā¦ Thatās the worst case scenario.
Not actually worried about that happening, but stipulating it is theoretically possible. Iāll then shoot 250mg test and 200mg mast ONCE before going off to holiday as I have one week (first week) where Iām somewhere I donāt particularly want to be, and I wish to dedicate that week to going to gym constantly, as Iāll have nothing better to do, so what better way to spend my time than to just exercise non-stop, it feels amazing, itās funā¦ I donāt see the downside there, itāll make that week extremely entertaining. Then Iāll drop to 250mg for the remainder of (some) of the trip before dropping down to 200mg (my TRT dose, say 800-900 cavg ng/dl) then 150 (my prescribed TRT dose)
My BP tends to be absurdly low, primarily genetic, but itās irritating when I stand up too fast at times. Higher doses do tend to raise my BP back into the normal range (110/70 on dbol instead of like 90/40)
My biggest qualm with dbol/orals is the lipid trashing. On trt (150mg) my HDL is like 42 and LDL is 110 or so, on 250mg my HDL is like 42ā¦ and my LDL is like 110 (doesnāt budge), neither does my HCT or RBC count no matter what Iāve used. Iāve used 200mg for 6 months before, my HCT/RBC count actually dropped during that time
Only issue Iām having currently is libido issues on mast, Iām supposed to not watch pornography for November but I cracked the other nightā¦ and I have to jerk off about 2-3x/day, if I see a girl wearing tight pants who I find remotely attractive itās an instant erection or I start thinking about sex for the next 30 minutesā¦ I feel like I did when I was like 11-12 and found a playboy magazine hidden betwixt his magazine collection (first exposure to internet porn was at age 7, but I didnāt go out and watch it religiously or look for it frequently until I was about 15ā¦ then it stopped soon after 16 as my libidoā¦ didnāt exist), because I felt ashamed, my father would tell me how wrong it was for me to watch pornography at a young age and how there was something wrong with me for doing it (this was when I was 14) etc so Iād feel immensely guilty
Regardless Iāve made up my mindā¦ gonna use dbol for 2 weeks and one day and see what comes of it (20mg/day), perhaps combine with grapefruit juice for cyp3a4 inhibition, depending ono how much dbol is metabolised within the small intestine (grapefruit juice inhibits cyp3a4 enzyme in small intestine but not liver if I recall correctly) but in theory it should marginally increase potency (greatly increases potency/decreases potency of certain medicationsā¦ oxycodone is one you see people taking with grapefruit juice as it greatly increases Cmaxā¦ also greatly increases the chances of fatal respiratory depression and deathā¦ soā¦ yeah)
My favourite physique is powerlifters roger estep. Built like a fucking brick shit house.
Bro. Jack that meat off. Itās.natural.
No way in hell I can do no nut November. When I see girls now, my mind is flooded with so many dirty thoughts.
Especially when I see those older corporate type women on the train in the mornings. Holy fuck would I love to bang them senseless .
So true as well. About feeling small out of the gym.
thereās a video that covers this prospect pretty well (tbh I get this too, I feel small, shrivelled upā¦ only to go into school and notice Iām either more muscular or more defined than everyone within my cohort). Itās not a healthy mentality to have (reaping confidence by sizing yourself up against others. Itās a mentality that will lead to a heightened risk of drug abuse down the line regarding AAS). Furthermore, itās a mentality of ādoomed to failā as there will always be SOMEONE larger than you, thus it isnāt a particularly realistic goal to strive for.