[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]Sloth wrote:
There’s already a centrist party. They’re called the Republican Party. Other than that, you have a Democrat party that is now borderline socialist, a small Libertarian Party, and conservatives who might vote GoP just to keep Democrats out. Though, on the last, I think conservatives are going to do so less and less while looking for alternatives. Me? I’m only voting ‘far’ right, and I refuse to vote GoP.
Basically, I don’t see this pendulum. I see a government that keeps growing, programs that keep expanding, even new programs, and a culture sliding into madness (see the CDC stats for unwed motherhood recently?). Where can I find the victories of the small government, traditional values, right? When was our border secured? Seems to me this country has gone in one direction with very little deviation. [/quote]
Agreed.
On another note and as I’ve mentioned a few times in other threads. The true power lies in the legislative branch. When Congress reasserts its proper role in the constitutional hierarchy true change can and will happen.
It’s even happening now but negatively. Congress passed the bailouts, the stimulus, is passing health care and doesn’t regulate the bureaucracy within the executive branch. The Presidency whether under Bush or Obama gets only what the Congress authorizes; it holds the purse strings. And whoever gots da money gots da power.[/quote]
Which is exactly why every conservative should vote in every election, city, county, state, federal for the person closest to the libertarian party, or the libertarian party if present as a choice. Even if you don’t agree with some or even most of thier ideas, it doesn’t really matter. The main point is just enough of a presence of libertarians will grind to a hault this huge government and it’s love of making itself bigger and more costly for us the citizens. 10-15 Libertarian senators and 30 or 40 representatives should be enough to grind big government to a hault. And when things improve in 2 years with the government doing nothing “new” maybe there will be a slim chance that some more of them are voted in.
I mean we are a very very long way from actually shrinking the federal government. But at least stopping it from growing would be a huge victory and one which would allow the private sector to at least catch up to it. I mean eventually with enough private sector growth, and the governemnt staying the same size, it can again become a fair relationship.
However the only way this is going to happen is if true conservatives, like many on this board, stop trying to view the GOP as having any chance of doing what we think they should do regardless of who the figurehead of the party is. We need new people with new/old ideas who will do what we want and this country desparately needs. Stop the rampant growth of the federal government. Period, the end. No republican or democrat will EVER do this and the sooner true conservatives realize this and start acting as if this is the truth, the sooner we can shape our future. As of right now, we are just blindly supporting two parties who assfuck us because some of us like it fast and hard and the rest of us like it slow and deep. Anyone up for not gettihng assfucked? I mean if you like that then fine, but I’m not really enjoying it.
I’m 30, married and have a 2 bedroom house with a rental unit on the second floor. I drive a 2000 saturn. My wife works as a nursing tech and drives a 2002 jeep liberty. We gross over 60,000 per year and we are living paycheck to paycheck with a very modest social life. This is not how America is supposed to be.
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