Sarah Palin Resigns

[quote]pushharder wrote:
Mufasa wrote:
the denial of adequate housing, education…the list goes on and on…

By the way, Muf, I have the Constitution open in front of me right now. Please direct me to the section that addresses “adequate housing.”

I have a feeling it’s in that same obscure section that addresses the right to abortion.

How 'bout that Sarah Palin? She’s sumpin else.

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My bad, Push.

I will often mix up the Declaration of Independence; the Preamble to the Constitution; and the actual “body” of the Constitution with its amendments. (“Pursuit of Happiness”; “Domestic Tranquility”; “Life…Liberty…pursuit of happiness” etc.)

I think that the Founding Fathers were amazing people.

As I’ve said earlier, I think Miss Sarah is “real”…and just got in over her head when she decided to jump into the cesspool of American Politics.

Mufasa

I’ve made a personal decision to no longer get into debates about abortion and homosexuality.

Mufasa

[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
Also, except for our couple of resident anarchists, who has ever argued that A federal government is by definition evil? Nobody has said either that lower level governments are not every bit as corrupt as the feds.

The trouble is, the ever swelling central government has the extended ability to render local governments beholden to and manipulated by itself in ways that are not possible the other way around.

In the case of the issues with race, they had the legitimate power and duty to deinstitutionalize racism. They had neither the power nor the ability to take that next step and force equal treatment on non criminal levels. It has predictably accomplished the opposite of what I believe may have been good intentions by some originally.

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Great points, Tiribulus.

I don’t disagree.

(By the way…Anarchist seem to really come up with a lot of “head-in-the-sand” arguments…like denying the good and bad nature of people and their behaviors).

Mufasa

[quote]pushharder wrote:
Mufasa wrote:

…As I’ve said earlier, I think Miss Sarah is “real”…and just got in over her head when she decided to jump into the cesspool of American Politics.

How 'bout this for a thoroughly novel idea? A whole bunch of “real” people get in over their heads and jump into the cesspool of American Politics with a big enough splash to displace the slick bunch who pollute it now.

Hmmmmm…never work, huh? Not enough “real” folks willing to engage in that battle? Well, maybe we could start with just…one.

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I would trust a bunch of reasonably intelligent, reasonably educated people with American instincts over the parade of elite classroom whores from both parties that have polluted the halls of power for decades. I’ll take some David Crocketts now please (in principle). These haughty, detached, ivory tower bookworms, pinkies out, nose in the air can kiss my ass.

[quote]pushharder wrote:
Mufasa wrote:

…As I’ve said earlier, I think Miss Sarah is “real”…and just got in over her head when she decided to jump into the cesspool of American Politics.

How 'bout this for a thoroughly novel idea? A whole bunch of “real” people get in over their heads and jump into the cesspool of American Politics with a big enough splash to displace the slick bunch who pollute it now.

Hmmmmm…never work, huh? Not enough “real” folks willing to make that jump? Well, maybe we could start with just…one.

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I’d welcome it, Push!

But do you remember that Congressional Class of nineteen ninety something? (Can’t remember exactly. It could have been in the early 2000’s?). All the new faces with new ideas that were going to shake things up?

One by one they were either 1) picked off (lost in subsequent elections) or 2) became a part of the Cesspool.

Mufasa

[quote]Mufasa wrote:
<<< One by one they were either 1) picked off (lost in subsequent elections) or 2) became a part of the Cesspool.

Mufasa

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This is definitely a great point. Elections are won with money. Without the backing of a major party nobody has enough. Even if somebody could scrape their way close to elected office on their own somehow, unless they were seen by one of the parties as useful, not only would they not have party support, but they would have those resources used against them.

Yay capitalism.

I’m new here but at least there’s a political tread lol. I not sure what she was trying to accomplish by leaving her position as Governor. She has been portrayed very negatively since being McCain’s VP pick. I really think she should have finished out her term. Someone on here mentioned that if she does run in '12 the Dems will play an ad stating that she left her position as Alaska’s Gov…and she’ll leave her position as President etc. We’ll see how this plays out, I guess.

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
After her bombshell announcement Friday that she was resigning as governor of Alaska 18 months before the end of her first term, and questions about her political future ricocheting from Alaska to Washington D.C., Sarah Palin packed it up, traveled more than 300 miles from her family home in Wasila and went fishing.

It was there in Dillingham, Alaska, on the shores of Kanakanak Beach, that ABC News joined the former Republican presidential running mate on a salmon fishing trip. Dressed in a white T-shirt and overall waders, Alaska’s governor was philosophical about politics and life, all the while plucking salmon from the family fishing nets aboard a boat her husband, Todd, and a buddy built 20 years ago.

Palin said she was surprised by the media storm that followed her announcement to leave office, saying she thought it would not have been “such a darn big deal.” But she struck a determined, if vague, note about her future.

“I said before I stood in front of the mic the other day, you know, politically speaking – if I die, I die. So be it,” Palin said.

“Don’t know what the future holds. I’m not gonna shut any door. That – who knows what doors open. I can’t predict what the next fish run’s gonna look like down on the Nushagak [River]. So I certainly can’t predict what’s gonna happen in the next couple of years,” Palin told ABC News.

See this is what I think is ridiculous about the woman- this “Aw shucks” shit. Yea, I bet you had NO IDEA that this would cause a stir. None at all.[/quote]

Numerous people (Kathleen Sibelius, of Kansas) resign to move on. Its rare but usually not a big deal. The fact that Sarah is pursued like this reveals genuine fear amongst the libs. They KNOW she’s got the moral high ground, which could crush Obuma.

Sarah in '12! Go get 'em, Sarah! Get their balls in a vice-like grip and hear the libs squeal like little girls!!

She is the beauty/prom queen who probably got her degree in communications and used her flirty personality to get ahead. She is oblivious to things that are common sense, I see people on these forums who are more informed about world issues than she is, and this is a bodybuilding website.

[quote]sfmarine0311 wrote:
I’m new here but at least there’s a political tread lol. I not sure what she was trying to accomplish by leaving her position as Governor. She has been portrayed very negatively since being McCain’s VP pick. I really think she should have finished out her term. Someone on here mentioned that if she does run in '12 the Dems will play an ad stating that she left her position as Alaska’s Gov…and she’ll leave her position as President etc. We’ll see how this plays out, I guess. [/quote]

sfm:

I don’t think that you’ll have to wait for the DEMS; it will happen in the GOP Primaries.

(Welcome to the Forum! Just make sure you learn to DUCK!)

Mufasa

I really hope the Repubs can find a good candidate and win back some of this shit, it’s beyond disgraceful. To sit and watch this dismantling of what I love about this country happen in front of my very eyes, it saddens me.

[quote]MaximusB wrote:
She is the beauty/prom queen who probably got her degree in communications and used her flirty personality to get ahead. She is oblivious to things that are common sense, I see people on these forums who are more informed about world issues than she is, and this is a bodybuilding website. [/quote]

You may “feel” these things yet you cannot prove them because you are incorrect.

[quote]Mufasa wrote:
sfmarine0311 wrote:
I’m new here but at least there’s a political tread lol. I not sure what she was trying to accomplish by leaving her position as Governor. She has been portrayed very negatively since being McCain’s VP pick. I really think she should have finished out her term. Someone on here mentioned that if she does run in '12 the Dems will play an ad stating that she left her position as Alaska’s Gov…and she’ll leave her position as President etc. We’ll see how this plays out, I guess.

sfm:

I don’t think that you’ll have to wait for the DEMS; it will happen in the GOP Primaries.

(Welcome to the Forum! Just make sure you learn to DUCK!)

Mufasa

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No you are absolutely correct about this one. Debates too. I can hear it already.

Many pages have past, I will just jump back in - someome said (Irish, I think) that decisions are better made at the federal level because, due to the diversity of regions/interests, etc., hurried, dubious legislation is less likely to be passed.

Completely false, for one reason - Money.

States have to balance budgets, which means even if the house is full of puzzlewits and crooks, they must still face hard choices forced by having limited resources. The federal government has no such limitation (in the short run).

The federal goverment can invent money. This is bad for all kinds of economic reasons, but possibly even worse for political ones. Why? Politicians are incentivized to vote for all kinds of trash at the federal level because they can always get some kickback stuffed in the bill with invented money.

Easy example - let’s say a Democrat actually believes a bill to be bad and would, on principle, not vote for it. But, he gets promised $4 million for a dog-walking park in his hometown by Obama or Pelosi, and he votes “aye” without a blink.

Where does the money come from? The feds invent it by tacking it on to the deficit. The law gets passed because there is “unlimited” political capital with which to secure its passing.

Now, before Irish has a meltdown, Republicans are just as guilty. The problem, of course, is one of degree - Democrats are actually worse about this, on the basis that have no philosophical restraint against federal monies being spent for anything. Republicans are bad, but at least there is a kernel of argument that the federal government shouldn’t spend money on some things. I offer this only to make it clear I think both parties are guilty, but it is also entirely fair to highlight when one is worse than another.

This is not to say that corrupt horse-trading doesn’t occur at the state level. It’s just that political realities - the inability to invent money to buy political favors - hampers state governments in a way it does not for the federal government.

[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
<<< This is not to say that corrupt horse-trading doesn’t occur at the state level. It’s just that political realities - the inability to invent money to buy political favors - hampers state governments in a way it does not for the federal government.[/quote]

That is a fabulous point.

[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:

Now, before Irish has a meltdown, Republicans are just as guilty. The problem, of course, is one of degree - Democrats are actually worse about this, on the basis that have no philosophical restraint against federal monies being spent for anything. Republicans are bad, but at least there is a kernel of argument that the federal government shouldn’t spend money on some things. I offer this only to make it clear I think both parties are guilty, but it is also entirely fair to highlight when one is worse than another. [/quote]

This completely ignores the reality of 2000 - 2006. Are you seriously claiming that the Republicans exercised some control over spending during that period?

[quote]tme wrote:
thunderbolt23 wrote:

Now, before Irish has a meltdown, Republicans are just as guilty. The problem, of course, is one of degree - Democrats are actually worse about this, on the basis that have no philosophical restraint against federal monies being spent for anything. Republicans are bad, but at least there is a kernel of argument that the federal government shouldn’t spend money on some things. I offer this only to make it clear I think both parties are guilty, but it is also entirely fair to highlight when one is worse than another.

This completely ignores the reality of 2000 - 2006. Are you seriously claiming that the Republicans exercised some control over spending during that period?
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No, geeez