[quote]pushharder wrote:
Pitt, for you to be a-bouncin’ around on a thread about alleged “f***ing retards” is…priceless.[/quote]
“Ah, the ironicalness is strong with this one, Jedi”.
[quote]Mufasa wrote:
I’ll state it again; she is FAR from being dumb.
Mufasa[/quote]
She may be a genius, but what I’ve heard of her points more towards babbling idiot. Maybe she’s trying too hard. Maybe she just can’t articulate complex thoughts. I can certainly identify with the former. My guess is that it’s a little of both and she’s not as dumb as she comes off. I still haven’t heard anything of substance out of her. Sounds like just another neocon to me. And not a very articulate one.
If she is super bright, she really needs to work on the delivery.
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]loppar wrote:
On a serious note, I wonder why the American right cannot harness the obvious discontent with the Obama administration and push forward at least a semi literate candidate for the 2012 election.
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You call Obama literate? You do this because the liberal media has not pointed out his many gaffes?
The guy is a walking disaster for this country, but you keep on believing what you like. Time is a heck of a harsh teacher.[/quote]
You said the same thing on another post, wow you are good 
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And you’re still unable to refute it.
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
[quote]ZEB wrote:
-Tripling the national debt
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Not for anything, but your pal Reagan did the exact same thing. And Bush doubled it. So I don’t want to hear it.[/quote]
They all have done it, but Obama is going to send America to hell. It does not matter we were headed there when Obama took office. Because it did not immediately turn around it is all Obama’s fault. Go figure[/quote]
I posted a list of Obama’s failures, why don’t you try to refute them? Why do you play the part of the classic liberal? Just refute my points one by one, I’m sure you read the post now get busy.
Most people are absolutely TERRIFIED by the idea of Public Speaking…and most forget exactly what they want to order when the kid ask them “What Can I get You?” at McDonald’s.
So Palin’s delivery is just fine, dh, for what it’s meant to deliver…and it’s meant to deliver Conservative asses in seats,venues, bookstores and on couches as they watch “Fox”.
Cha-ching…
Mufasa
[quote]charlotte49er wrote:
you’re all missing the point Obama pronounced “Corpsmen” wrong!
Who does that?[/quote]
Just for the record: my father was in the Army Signal Corp, my uncle is a retired Air Force Lt Colonel, I worked for a major DoD contractor for four years, and yet I’m certain I’ve never heard the word “Corpsmen” spoken in my life, till this past week. And I’m 49.
I took a guess as to how it would be pronounced, and turned out to be wrong - although I mispronounced it differently than our president. (I thought it would be “core-man”.)
Core-man is a correct pronunciation. In fact I believe it is the more common correct pronunciation, though reportedly the “s” may optionally be pronounced.
Can I get some right-wing opinions on how they thought Obama’s Q & A went on CNN about 2 weeks ago? Also, can I get some input as to why right-wing fox tv (sean hannity show) tried to show a clip of a previous rally (from glenn becks show months earlier) to trick its viewers? If you hadn’t seen the clip, it was a segment on Jon Stewarts show awhile ago. (It has nothing to do with Jon Stewart being a Dem…the footage is the footage so stop).
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]Schlenkatank wrote:
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
[quote]ZEB wrote:
-Tripling the national debt
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Not for anything, but your pal Reagan did the exact same thing. And Bush doubled it. So I don’t want to hear it.[/quote]
And of course, the current deficit figures for Obama are before taxes and in the middle of an economic slump. People (ie. certain media groups) are purposefully inflating the numbers. After taxes the deficit will be around 1.8 trillion. If the economy picks up, it will go way down from there.[/quote]
I am telling you these people can not reason, they have to get all their info from Rush and Palin, so do not expect rational conversation
Truth does not matter to them .[/quote]
Bear with me for a moment, because I understand where you’re coming from, but the thing is both right and left say many of the same things about each other. Isn’t that significant? Out of a two party system we have created a literal model of inefficiency socially and politically in this country. Have you ever noticed how the dems and repubs sit separate from each other in congress… It’s practically a diorama of our pathetic political culture that values a lack of cooperation and encourages animosity. Because I believe communication and healthy interaction is an essential component of sustainability in any environment, I believe this “system” simply isn’t gonna fly much longer.
So, while I agree with you that the best policies sit at least slightly on the left, I have to say that the differences between people everywhere are not as great as we make them out to be, even between dems and repubs.
I never heard it with the “s” either. I am saying only that reportedly it is optional.
But I DEFINITELY never heard it with the “ps.”
I have a suspicion, but do not know, that the optional inclusion of the s may be almost silent among those who do it, assuming it’s correct that anyone includes it.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
Core-man is a correct pronunciation. In fact I believe it is the more common correct pronunciation, though reportedly the “s” may optionally be pronounced.[/quote]
Never heard it with the ‘s’.
Wonder how the British say it. Any limeys aboard this thread?[/quote]
Guys we get it, he fucked up a word. Dems incessantly joke when something like this happens to a Republican and people on the right complain about it, and now you are doing the same.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]Nick Danger wrote:
[quote]Eli B wrote:
[quote]ZEB wrote:
You call Obama literate? You do this because the liberal media has not pointed out his many gaffes?
The guy is a walking disaster for this country, but you keep on believing what you like. Time is a heck of a harsh teacher.[/quote]
Seriously, what makes Obama so bad in your mind. Is he so much worse than Clinton. Or worse than Kerry or Gore would have been?[/quote]
Zeb is parroting the right wing attack strategy of “attack their strength”. It’s been done for years.
Example: Kerry was chosen in part because the Dems wanted someone with a good war record to counter the Reps ‘Dems are weak on defense’ attacks. Instead of ceding this to Kerry, the right wing attack machine attacked Kerry’s strength on this, using the Swiftboat stuff.
Same with Obama. He’s relatively literate and educated and intelligent (he comes off smarter than he is, just as Bush comes off dumber than he is). So, they attack that by coming up with the silly/hypocritical ‘he uses a teleprompter sometimes’ charge (it’s silly/hypocritical because all politicians do this at times).
A similar attack on Obama was when he was running and was popular they tried to turn that against him by attacking him as a celebrity, implying that there was no substance to him, just celebrity – attacking Obama’s perceived strength.
Anyone who parrots these types of attacks (by both liberal/left and conservative/right) shows a shallow and ignorant (not stupid – uninformed) political understanding, is being played for a sap, and is doing harm to our country.
Note: I’m not an Obama fan, or Palin fan, or Bush fan, or Republican or Democrat – I think they’re all doing some bad things for/to our country (USA), and some good things. A pox on the loony extremes of both the left and right, who care more about hurting the other than helping fix our mess.
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I was with you for a lot of this, right up until you talked about government fixing the mess. I believe it far outside the ability or right of a government to pro-actively fix the mess.[/quote]
You might be right. I hope you’re wrong, for the consequences of that are troubling.
I do see some good being done. Health care needs fixing, and trying to fix that is good. Unfortunately the way they’re (both Obama/dems and the reps) doing it is likely to make things worse not better.
Our government is broken. Special interests (like the bankers) run congress. Loony extremists (from both sides) have so polarized things to the point that politicians benefit more from not working together to fix things than they would from fixing our problems. Dems think they can do things without rep help, reps think they can benefit from stopping anything the dems try even if it’d help the country (and that’s a big “if”).
It’s not congress’ fault, it’s ours – the voters. We’ve let them get away with this. Not just the folks who parrot the right/left wing attack machines, and fox news and Kos and the other loony extremists (through their actions), but the regular middle-of-the-road voters too (through their inaction).
[quote]SickAbs wrote:
Can I get some right-wing opinions on how they thought Obama’s Q & A went on CNN about 2 weeks ago? Also, can I get some input as to why right-wing fox tv (sean hannity show) tried to show a clip of a previous rally (from glenn becks show months earlier) to trick its viewers? If you hadn’t seen the clip, it was a segment on Jon Stewarts show awhile ago. (It has nothing to do with Jon Stewart being a Dem…the footage is the footage so stop).[/quote]
I will answer your second question for you. Yes Hannity showed clips from other tea parties when he showed the house call tea party. After your question was raised he came out and apologized saying he was just showing clips of the tea parties. Now you may or may not remember this was done a couple of times during the anti war protests that where going on under bush.
Now what you choose to believe of that is fine, but he came out and apologize for it.
[quote]ZEB wrote:
Then all you have to do is answer my previous post as I was specific and to the point, not parroting anyone. If you can quell my fears about this guy by posting facts regarding what he’s done and plans to do, I’ll actually thank you.[/quote]
Since when does pointing out that your parroting the silly/hypocritical right wing attack machine’s teleprompter crap means I support Obama?
Reread what I wrote and you’ll see I am attacking the loony extremes (both left and right), and those who in ignorance are parroting the right/left wing attack machines, instead of thinking for themselves. There are substantive reasons to criticize Obama, which makes criticizing him for crap like teleprompters, and birth certificates, and tossing around the words ‘socialist/fascist’ and all that crap even more ridiculous.
I’m troubled by a lot of what Obama is doing, just as I was troubled by a lot of what Bush did. A number of the specific points you mentioned I agree with you on (such as cap and trade, and cash for clunkers). Some of your points are inaccurate. Ignoring Iran??? Because you don’t like what he’s doing does not mean he’s ignoring it. Ignoring would be doing nothing – no sanctions, no diplomacy, etc. He’s doing a lot more than Clinton/Bush/Obamas been doing in regards to N Korea, which is arguably a greater threat (more advanced program, more inflamatory rhetoric, etc.). Frankly, if Obama was more militant vs Iran the right wing attack machine would be attacking him for being reckless or something, and their lackeys would be parroting those attacks instead of their ‘he’s ignoring iran’ attacks.
Some of your points are the parroting (you mentioned teleprompter, for one).
There’s plenty of legitimate criticisms of Obama. Stick with those, and drop the silly stuff, and the discussion will be productive and our country will be better off.
I don’t think we’re in great disagreement on much of this. Where we differ is what is important. Teleprompters and that crap is not. Reps/Dems working together to solve the problems (instead of merely trying to make the other look bad) is important. As is reducing the power of lobbyists and ignoring the left/right wing attack machines.
[quote]John S. wrote:
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
[quote]ZEB wrote:
-Tripling the national debt
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Not for anything, but your pal Reagan did the exact same thing. And Bush doubled it. So I don’t want to hear it.[/quote]
Reagan took on debt to destroy the USSR. Comparing him taking on debt(which at its height I believe it was at 53-54%) to Obama taking on debt(to spend on social programs) is ridiculous.[/quote]
First, Reagan also took on debt to:
-reduce taxes for the rich
-squeeze the budget in the hopes that it’d lead to cutting social services
Defeating the Rooskies economically was just part of it, and may have been more serendipity than conscious plan (if so that doesn’t diminish Reagan’s contribution or skill in that matter).
Second, a lot of the current debt is to stave off a Great Depression. It hasn’t ended it (well, it has for Wall Street, just not Main Street as foreclosures and job losses continue), but it’s kept it from getting worse (and arguing about this is fairly pointless as we’ll never know what would have happened had there been no stimulus, rendering judgment on the stimulus’s merit moot). Plus, both parties are culpable for the current debt. Foisting it off solely on Obama is as disingenuous as it would also be to solely blame Bush for turning Clinton’s surplus into deficits long before the current Great Depression.