[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
In a 1995 case known as Buycks-Roberson v. Citibank, Obama and his fellow attorneys charged that Citibank was making too few loans to black applicants and won the case.[/quote]
Exactly! People like Obama and Clinton are the ones who caused this economic meltdown.
I’d also like to add that although Bush pronounced “nuclear” wrong (kinda) Obama pronounced “corpsman” wrong!
[quote]Mufasa wrote:
I would actually LOVE for there to be an election right now to see how Palin and the “Just Say No” GOP would lift the World out of a global recession and get us out of two Wars costing more than $10 billion/month.
Mufasa[/quote]
The only way out of this recession is to actually go through it. We begin withdrawing from Iraq in August(was W’s plan). The best thing we can do right now is just say no to government spending.
[quote]Nick Danger wrote:
[quote]Eli B wrote:
[quote]ZEB wrote:
You call Obama literate? You do this because the liberal media has not pointed out his many gaffes?
The guy is a walking disaster for this country, but you keep on believing what you like. Time is a heck of a harsh teacher.[/quote]
Seriously, what makes Obama so bad in your mind. Is he so much worse than Clinton. Or worse than Kerry or Gore would have been?[/quote]
Zeb is parroting the right wing attack strategy of “attack their strength”. It’s been done for years.
Example: Kerry was chosen in part because the Dems wanted someone with a good war record to counter the Reps ‘Dems are weak on defense’ attacks. Instead of ceding this to Kerry, the right wing attack machine attacked Kerry’s strength on this, using the Swiftboat stuff.
Same with Obama. He’s relatively literate and educated and intelligent (he comes off smarter than he is, just as Bush comes off dumber than he is). So, they attack that by coming up with the silly/hypocritical ‘he uses a teleprompter sometimes’ charge (it’s silly/hypocritical because all politicians do this at times).
A similar attack on Obama was when he was running and was popular they tried to turn that against him by attacking him as a celebrity, implying that there was no substance to him, just celebrity – attacking Obama’s perceived strength.
Anyone who parrots these types of attacks (by both liberal/left and conservative/right) shows a shallow and ignorant (not stupid – uninformed) political understanding, is being played for a sap, and is doing harm to our country.[/quote]
Then all you have to do is answer my previous post as I was specific and to the point, not parroting anyone. If you can quell my fears about this guy by posting facts regarding what he’s done and plans to do, I’ll actually thank you.
[quote]ZEB wrote:
-Tripling the national debt
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Not for anything, but your pal Reagan did the exact same thing. And Bush doubled it. So I don’t want to hear it.
[quote]HG Thrower wrote:
[quote]Schlenkatank wrote:
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Well said, however If you checked my profile you’ll see that I’m no longer “a teenage boy whose balls have just barely dropped”. I’m 20, thank you very much. [/quote]
Now THAT ^^^^ is some funny shit.[/quote]
Reminds me of the movie "City Slickers’ when whats his name impregnates the grocery clerk…
“I’m not a little girl…I’m Twenty!”
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
[quote]ZEB wrote:
-Tripling the national debt
[/quote]
Not for anything, but your pal Reagan did the exact same thing. And Bush doubled it. So I don’t want to hear it.[/quote]
doubled and tripled are relative terms. If bush doubled it and then obama tripled it, that means obama took it to 6 times what it was before bush. Or he overspent by 4 times what bush did. It’s helpful to look at the picture in more absolute terms. If it was bad when bush did it, obama is 4 times as bad (worse if you include time frames).
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
[quote]ZEB wrote:
-Tripling the national debt
[/quote]
Not for anything, but your pal Reagan did the exact same thing. And Bush doubled it. So I don’t want to hear it.[/quote]
Yeah but in terms of $$ numbers and TIMEFRAME…Omama will need to come up with a new name, maybe Quintriple the deficit! and…we still have 3 more years of unbridled debt borrowing to spend us into prosperity! Fun!
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
[quote]ZEB wrote:
-Tripling the national debt
[/quote]
Not for anything, but your pal Reagan did the exact same thing. And Bush doubled it. So I don’t want to hear it.[/quote]
And of course, the current deficit figures for Obama are before taxes and in the middle of an economic slump. People (ie. certain media groups) are purposefully inflating the numbers. After taxes the deficit will be around 1.8 trillion. If the economy picks up, it will go way down from there.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
Now to expand on my previous post.
I like her because of where she’s from. She was born just a few miles from where I now live. I also lived in Wasilla, AK for a few years. Now before you jump to the wrong conclusion let me say I don’t like her literally because of her geography. When I say “where she’s from” I mean sociologically and psychologically speaking.
Also, from what I’ve examined of her record as governor I think she and I lean the same way politically.
However, I actually am more in tune with dhickey’s thoughts on this matter. My concern is that she won’t be conservative and libertarian enough. If she were elected President and came a-roarin’ in a Reagan-esque style, slashing, burning, and pillaging the federal brontosaurus like a drunken Viking (actually Reagan didn’t even come close to gutting the federal government enough) I would be tickled. I just have my doubts it would happen.
FTR, even though I “like Palin” I voted against her and McCain. I voted for the Constitution Party candidate, Chuck Baldwin.[/quote]
That’s interesting, thank you. For the record i don’t hate Palin, I just don’t think she’s a fitting candidate for various reasons. It’s really important to have a common identity with a candidate which is why I think a lot of people like her. i have often heard people say that “she’s a real American”, which on a basic level simply means that they really identify with her personally.
As far as her politics go, I just feel there’s not enough there. I have never heard her talk about any actionable plans that fit into a well established, broad political perspective. That’s scary to me.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]Schlenkatank wrote:
As far as her politics go, I just feel there’s not enough there. I have never heard her talk about any actionable plans that fit into a well established, broad political perspective. That’s scary to me. [/quote]
I agree in that I haven’t heard her talk about any actionable plans. So I have to look at how she governed in Alaska. I like what I see there but would like to hear and see more before I get passionate about her political future in terms of her actual political philosophy.[/quote]
I like her and some of her policy stances, but personally I think she has too high negatives to be on a presidential ticket again. People will come out to vite AGAINST her, and I would be concerned that this would drive voter turnout the wrong way. I’d much rather have the right candidate (so far nobody makes me really happy) and have her back them and bring in her voting block and energy. Then, make her Secretary of Energy.
[quote]Mufasa wrote:
If you ask me, Palin is pretty damn smart.
She’s getting groups to shell out $100K a pop to hear her speak; made millions in advances on a successful book. And if not a certified millionaire yet, is well on her way…and certainly will be by 2012.
You BETcha’!!!
Mufasa[/quote]
The 100k she received she is using to fund conservative candidates. If we are going to bring up the 100k she got for speaking then please explain it and don’t use it to make it sound like it is going into her pocket. Lets be honest.
[quote]kaaizen wrote:
Palin is a moron with absolutely NO qualifications to be in charge of anything. I actually LIKE some of the teabagger’s agenda. But her stupidity turns me away. They would be far better off without her. I honestly have to question the intelligence (sanity?) of anyone who would want this dumb bitch in office.[/quote]
Runs a small business, ran a town, ran a state, and she’s NOT a lawyer. She doesn’t say ‘corpse-man’.
She has the brains to do all that. She’s also not a limosine liberal like Obama.
She’s got my vote.
I think it’s a mistake to assume she has any intent of running for national office again.
If she had such intent, then her decision to resign as Governor of Alaska would have been utterly stupid and extremely obviously so.
If she had no such intent, then it was a very good decision for her personally as well as for conservative causes benefiting from the money she can raise.
you’re all missing the point Obama pronounced “Corpsmen” wrong!
Who does that?
[quote]Schlenkatank wrote:
[quote]pushharder wrote:
Now to expand on my previous post.
I like her because of where she’s from. She was born just a few miles from where I now live. I also lived in Wasilla, AK for a few years. Now before you jump to the wrong conclusion let me say I don’t like her literally because of her geography. When I say “where she’s from” I mean sociologically and psychologically speaking.
Also, from what I’ve examined of her record as governor I think she and I lean the same way politically.
However, I actually am more in tune with dhickey’s thoughts on this matter. My concern is that she won’t be conservative and libertarian enough. If she were elected President and came a-roarin’ in a Reagan-esque style, slashing, burning, and pillaging the federal brontosaurus like a drunken Viking (actually Reagan didn’t even come close to gutting the federal government enough) I would be tickled. I just have my doubts it would happen.
FTR, even though I “like Palin” I voted against her and McCain. I voted for the Constitution Party candidate, Chuck Baldwin.[/quote]
That’s interesting, thank you. For the record i don’t hate Palin, I just don’t think she’s a fitting candidate for various reasons. It’s really important to have a common identity with a candidate which is why I think a lot of people like her. i have often heard people say that “she’s a real American”, which on a basic level simply means that they really identify with her personally.
As far as her politics go, I just feel there’s not enough there. I have never heard her talk about any actionable plans that fit into a well established, broad political perspective. That’s scary to me. [/quote]
In all seriousness, she had more experience actually running things than Obama. Did you think he was a fitting candidate?
He’s turned out pretty dismal so far. I can’t imagine a few terms actually doing something would have been bad for him or sadly us.
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]WolBarret wrote:
[quote]666Rich wrote:
To be fair, I dont see too many politicians that make anything other than vague blanket statements. Hers are just less eloquent.[/quote]
This.[/quote]
I spent ten fucking minutes trying to figure out your stupid avatar.[/quote]
The technical term is ‘Frottage’ although kids today call it ‘Dancing’ !
tripled the national debt? zeb- you are so far off base it’s silly. http://www.treasurydirect.gov/govt/reports/pd/histdebt/histdebt_histo5.htm
republicans have no shame. one year out and they’re re-branding themselves the party of fiscal responsibility. reagan and bush sr. took us from just under 1 trillion to just under 3 trillion and bush jr. added on another 4.3 trillion just for good measure. gimme a break.