[quote]malonetd wrote:
I just find it hilariously pathetic that the Dems are so threatened by someone so “stupid”.[/quote]
Ok just play along for a second: If you thought that someone you believed was stupid or incompetent had a real chance of being elected president, would you be worried? Again this is hypothetical. I for one am not worried, she has made way too many gaffes on tape to be taken seriously by enough moderates to win the election, not to mention quitting on her job as governor of alaska because of the media. If she can’t handle the spotlight of an ex-vp candidate, how can she handle running for POTUS and actually being on office and being vilified by CNN and MSNBC like Bush was (mostly unfairly)?
[quote]malonetd wrote:
I just find it hilariously pathetic that the Dems are so threatened by someone so “stupid”.[/quote]
Ok just play along for a second: If you thought that someone you believed was stupid or incompetent had a real chance of being elected president, would you be worried? Again this is hypothetical. I for one am not worried, she has made way too many gaffes on tape to be taken seriously by enough moderates to win the election, not to mention quitting on her job as governor of alaska because of the media. If she can’t handle the spotlight of an ex-vp candidate, how can she handle running for POTUS and actually being on office and being vilified by CNN and MSNBC like Bush was (mostly unfairly)?[/quote]
The power of the Christian right in the republican party is too great
You forgot to mention she runs a Socialist State, one where every resident get a check from taxes you and I pay for.
[/quote]LOL. You keep going, Pitt. You just keep diggin’ yourself a deeper hole. You’re more clueless than I thought.
For those who care, google Alaska Permanent Fund. Rest assured, your Lower 48 taxes are not going into Alaska’s citizens’ pockets.
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The lower 48 are paying for their Socialim[/quote]
So then… you should like her… right?[/quote]
I thought you were the one that did not want me to lump all you SO CALLED CONSERVATIVES together, now you think I am a socialist. This is where I think you all are jack offs No offense meant :)[/quote]
HAHA! I’m only lumping you in as a socialist because YOU labeled liberal policy as such. Socialism was YOUR word reference, not mine. But correct me if Iâ??m wrong, arenâ??t you one of the guys that constantly reprimands conservative for calling the current administration socialist.
If what you are talking about in Alaska (which doesnâ??t even appear to be true) is in fact socialist, then so are social security, universal healthcare, the takeover of gm, cap and tax, green energy bill anything, progressive taxation, essentially any social program at all. They are all forms of income redistribution. By your qualifications, all of these things are socialist, right? So it is fair to call liberals socialist?
[quote]malonetd wrote:
I just find it hilariously pathetic that the Dems are so threatened by someone so “stupid”.[/quote]
Ok just play along for a second: If you thought that someone you believed was stupid or incompetent had a real chance of being elected president, would you be worried? Again this is hypothetical. I for one am not worried, she has made way too many gaffes on tape to be taken seriously by enough moderates to win the election, not to mention quitting on her job as governor of alaska because of the media. If she can’t handle the spotlight of an ex-vp candidate, how can she handle running for POTUS and actually being on office and being vilified by CNN and MSNBC like Bush was (mostly unfairly)?[/quote]
If she were president, she wouldn’t have to stand media scrutiny. She could just throw stations she didn’t like out of the press pool, and use the Whitehouse podium to get people to not watch certain stations by calling them mean and stupid and biased. Grant it, it would no longer be an original strategy.
As your last what, 4? posts now doen’t even attempt a Strawman let alone a viable attempt at discussion, and are purely complementary imitative peevishness (akin to a kid crying “I know you are but what am I”), you’ve reached the stage so common of your ilk of having nothing cogent to say, and being unable to not reply for fear of ceding the argument, you just say crap.
So I bid you adieu with the parting wisdom – grow the fuck up.
[quote]ZEB wrote:
The last bastion of an illiterate coward, personal attacks.[/quote]
Call me an “illiterate coward” then criticize me for personal attacks?
And this is after personal attacks against me in many of your previous posts, such as “Wow, is that all you learned in college from your beloved liberal professors?”
Why am I not surprised at your double standard…
[quote]…you’ve been called on one of your liberal talking points…[/qoute]
Yes, my criticizing your parroting the silly/hypocritical teleprompter stuff and both the right and left wing loonies is a liberal talking point.
I’ll make it simple for you – I argued “apples” (your silly teleprompter stuff), you reply with ‘oranges’ (your long list of complaints against obama), and you are pretending oranges answers apples, and then criticizing me for not following you down orange lane.
So most of your list were strawman as I wasn’t talking about them, tho I did later mention I agreed with a few of your points, and when pressed I mentioned that your list included the silly teleprompter thing and the equally silly bowing thing (which I agreed was wrong of him to do).
So reading comprehension is not your strong suit, I get it.
Yes I got down in the mud with you and did that.
The difference between us is that I am not criticizing you for doing what I did, as you’re criticizing me for doing what you’ve been doing.
Hypocrisy, unlike reading comprehension, is your strong suit.
There’s this thing called Principle, where you apply the same standards to yourself as you do others, and to those you like as to those you dislike.
Oh well… I see you’ve failed to take my advice to grow the fuck up, so to you I also bid adieu.
If what you [pitbull] are talking about in Alaska (which doesnâ??t even appear to be true) is in fact socialist, then so are social security, universal healthcare, the takeover of gm, cap and tax, green energy bill anything, progressive taxation, essentially any social program at all. They are all forms of income redistribution. By your qualifications, all of these things are socialist, right? So it is fair to call liberals socialist?[/quote]
As you point out so well, the trouble with throwing around the “S” word these days is that it’s being applied to so many things that it’s losing its meaning.
For example, bush pushed thru the medicare drug benefit program – is that socialisim and if so, does that make bush a socialist?
It’s become an insult instead of merely a descriptive term.
There’s a lot of examples of income redistribution that those tossing around the “S” word would not consider a “bad” thing (so I’m guessing), such as defense spending, road construction, education for the young, etc.
[quote]malonetd wrote:
I just find it hilariously pathetic that the Dems are so threatened by someone so “stupid”.[/quote]
I don’t know if ‘threatened’ is the right word.
There’s a lot of piling on, as happens when a weak person sees an easy target that’s getting pounded and they join in.
The ‘smart’ dems, I’m guessing, think she’ll be an easy opponent and so are salivating at the prospect of her running (especially given the latest poll numbers regarding how she’s viewed), and they’re already in left wing attack machine mode against her, such as trying to portray her as stupid (she’s not, it’s more ignorance of certain issues such as world affairs, etc.).
Call me an “illiterate coward” then criticize me for personal attacks?
And this is after personal attacks against me in many of your previous posts, such as “Wow, is that all you learned in college from your beloved liberal professors?”
Why am I not surprised at your double standard…
Yes, my criticizing your parroting the silly/hypocritical teleprompter stuff and both the right and left wing loonies is a liberal talking point.
I’ll make it simple for you – I argued “apples” (your silly teleprompter stuff), you reply with ‘oranges’ (your long list of complaints against obama), and you are pretending oranges answers apples, and then criticizing me for not following you down orange lane.
So most of your list were strawman as I wasn’t talking about them, tho I did later mention I agreed with a few of your points, and when pressed I mentioned that your list included the silly teleprompter thing and the equally silly bowing thing (which I agreed was wrong of him to do).
So reading comprehension is not your strong suit, I get it.
Yes I got down in the mud with you and did that.
The difference between us is that I am not criticizing you for doing what I did, as you’re criticizing me for doing what you’ve been doing.
Hypocrisy, unlike reading comprehension, is your strong suit.
There’s this thing called Principle, where you apply the same standards to yourself as you do others, and to those you like as to those you dislike.
Oh well… I see you’ve failed to take my advice to grow the fuck up, so to you I also bid adieu.
There is a fine line between socialist and a pyramid scheme. I’ve actually turned to referring to most government social programs as the latter.[/quote]
Sometimes there’s no line, as one can argue is the case with social security and medicare. The youngsters that are contributing today are unlikely to get back their investment (unless things change and both parties begin to govern instead of merely politic). Those that got in when they were first implemented were the biggest beneficiaries (defined by return on their ‘investment’).
You forgot to mention she runs a Socialist State, one where every resident get a check from taxes you and I pay for.
[/quote]LOL. You keep going, Pitt. You just keep diggin’ yourself a deeper hole. You’re more clueless than I thought.
For those who care, google Alaska Permanent Fund. Rest assured, your Lower 48 taxes are not going into Alaska’s citizens’ pockets.
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The lower 48 are paying for their Socialim[/quote]
So then… you should like her… right?[/quote]
I thought you were the one that did not want me to lump all you SO CALLED CONSERVATIVES together, now you think I am a socialist. This is where I think you all are jack offs No offense meant :)[/quote]
HAHA! I’m only lumping you in as a socialist because YOU labeled liberal policy as such. Socialism was YOUR word reference, not mine. But correct me if Iâ??m wrong, arenâ??t you one of the guys that constantly reprimands conservative for calling the current administration socialist.
If what you are talking about in Alaska (which doesnâ??t even appear to be true) is in fact socialist, then so are social security, universal healthcare, the takeover of gm, cap and tax, green energy bill anything, progressive taxation, essentially any social program at all. They are all forms of income redistribution. By your qualifications, all of these things are socialist, right? So it is fair to call liberals socialist?
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Personally I do not think all Socialism is bad, just as I think a strong Public Sector is a very good thing. But I can not put the cart before the horse and say that a free market is the best for America or if Government runs all things is the best. Some things like infrastructure, health care, Education, and food should (at least) be subsidized so every body can afford them.
You forgot to mention she runs a Socialist State, one where every resident get a check from taxes you and I pay for.
[/quote]LOL. You keep going, Pitt. You just keep diggin’ yourself a deeper hole. You’re more clueless than I thought.
For those who care, google Alaska Permanent Fund. Rest assured, your Lower 48 taxes are not going into Alaska’s citizens’ pockets.
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The lower 48 are paying for their Socialim[/quote]
So then… you should like her… right?[/quote]
I thought you were the one that did not want me to lump all you SO CALLED CONSERVATIVES together, now you think I am a socialist. This is where I think you all are jack offs No offense meant :)[/quote]
HAHA! I’m only lumping you in as a socialist because YOU labeled liberal policy as such. Socialism was YOUR word reference, not mine. But correct me if IÃ?¢??m wrong, arenÃ?¢??t you one of the guys that constantly reprimands conservative for calling the current administration socialist.
If what you are talking about in Alaska (which doesn�¢??t even appear to be true) is in fact socialist, then so are social security, universal healthcare, the takeover of gm, cap and tax, green energy bill anything, progressive taxation, essentially any social program at all. They are all forms of income redistribution. By your qualifications, all of these things are socialist, right? So it is fair to call liberals socialist?
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Personally I do not think all Socialism is bad, just as I think a strong Public Sector is a very good thing. But I can not put the cart before the horse and say that a free market is the best for America or if Government runs all things is the best. Some things like infrastructure, health care, Education, and food should (at least) be subsidized so every body can afford them.[/quote]
I think you are wrong in believing subsidizing increases affordability.
[quote]Cockney Blue wrote:
I have to wonder how many of the people going on about the corpsman thing or TelePrompters or notes on hands have ever had to give a speech in front of a large group.[/quote]
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I’m one of those people. Yes, I have spoken before large groups many times.[quote]
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How long were you rehearsing the speech before you gave it without notes or prompter? Remember that politicians often give multiple speeches in a day and often have last minute changes to those speeches. Naturally there are times where they are just reading and not actually processing the information, same thing happens to news readers. Doesn’t mean they are stupid.
By slating Obama for using a teleprompter whilst having notes written on her hand she gave an open goal to her detractors. That is pretty ill advised. Stupidly so in my opinion.
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Am I the only one that sees a constant reliance on a teleprompter for word for word speeches as entirely different from a few words scribbled on your palm? I honestly don�??�??�?�¢??t see the hypocrisy. If those words had been written on a note card would you think differently about it? Is it just because it was on her palm that makes it magically hypocritical? [/quote]
Everyone knows that politicians don’t write their own speeches and use teleprompters and notes. It really shouldn’t be an issue because it is the same from all sides.
There are far too many talking heads that make their living scrutinizing and ripping down, the annoying thing is that it distracts the discussions away from the lack of real ideas coming out from either side.[/quote]
What real ideas are those?
I completely disagree. I think no idea is generally much better than a terrible one. First do no harm.[/quote]
I am not a politician, I am constantly coming up with creative solutions to problems within my business and areas of expertise.
If you are a politician I expect you to have some ideas. If you don’t, then don’t run.[/quote]
That’s what I do too. However, I’m not sure what question you were answering, because it wasn’t mine. I wasn’t asking if they should have ideas, I’m asking what good ideas are being blocked?
Republican: “I have a shitty idea”
Democrat: “and I can make it worse”
Being pro-active is almost always a bad thing in today’s government. the more they do the more they screw up. I wish we could just take a mulligan on all the government “ideas” for the past few decades.
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OK, I get what you are saying, I am not saying that the Repubs or the Dems actually do have good ideas being suppressed (they may, I just don’t know) what I am saying is the bickering about minutia hides the fact that they have nothing to say.
[quote]SickAbs wrote:
Can I get some right-wing opinions on how they thought Obama’s Q & A went on CNN about 2 weeks ago? Also, can I get some input as to why right-wing fox tv (sean hannity show) tried to show a clip of a previous rally (from glenn becks show months earlier) to trick its viewers? If you hadn’t seen the clip, it was a segment on Jon Stewarts show awhile ago. (It has nothing to do with Jon Stewart being a Dem…the footage is the footage so stop).[/quote]
I will answer your second question for you. Yes Hannity showed clips from other tea parties when he showed the house call tea party. After your question was raised he came out and apologized saying he was just showing clips of the tea parties. Now you may or may not remember this was done a couple of times during the anti war protests that where going on under bush.
Now what you choose to believe of that is fine, but he came out and apologize for it.
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I’m tempted to believe that he only apologized since he was caught (just like everyone who is caught doing something wrong). I’ll def research the bush anti-war protests clips to see if it’s similar (which it could very well be).
I know this is a thread about Palin, but since this thread has already gone off topic, can I get some input from Reps&right-wingers regarding Obama on CNN for the Q&A a couple weeks ago? (I searched but couldnt find it, if you just want to link me thats acceptable too)
No offense meant :)[/quote]