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Planning out first cycle and I have re-worked it a couple dozen times to get it right. FuriousGeorge was a big help and all of his threads. I have the pins dialed in so it stays between 70-60mg of active test in system for about 8 weeks and it clears down to 3mg on the 88th day (so PCT can start on the 12th week).

Just need a sanity check on the later weeks and into PCT (HCG doses and when to stop/taper ADEX), maybe some veteran advice? If gyno shows up during cycle should the NOLVA help or stick with the ADEX? I probably should have got Aromasin for PCT but it was spendy stuff.

Age: 26 (starting cycle on 27th B-day)
Height: 6’ 3
Weight: 225lb - currently cutting to 205lb for a contest
BF: 12% (have visible abs when dry)
Training: 8 years

Diet: Clean, will need to up the carbs while on, always afraid of getting too fat.

Blood Test 3 months ago at TRT Clinic
Test, Total: 599 mg/dl (280-1100)
SHBG: 49 nmol/L (10-80)
Test, Free: 8.56 ng/dl (1.9-27)

Blood Test 1 month ago (Cut out the Booze and Weed, didn’t help)
Test, Total: 660 mg/dl (280-1100)
SHBG: 91 nmol/L (10-80)
Test, Free: 6.51 ng/dl (1.9-27)

Plan:

W1: TEST PROP 400mg/week, PROV 25mg/day, ADEX 0.5mg EOD, TEST CYP 700mg/week, HCG 250IU 2x/wk

W2: TEST PROP 75mg /week, PROV 25mg/day, ADEX 0.5mg EOD, TEST CYP 500mg/week, HCG 250IU 2x/wk

W3: TEST PROP 100mg /week, PROV 25mg/day, ADEX 0.5mg EOD, TEST CYP 400mg /week, HCG 250IU 2x/wk

W4: TEST PROP 75mg/week, PROV 25mg/day, ADEX 0.5mg EOD, TEST CYP 400mg/week, HCG 250IU 2x/wk

W5: TEST PROP 100mg /week, PROV 50mg/day, ADEX 0.5mg EOD, TEST CYP 400mg/week,HCG 250IU 2x/wk

W6: TEST PROP 325mg /week, PROV 25mg/day, ADEX 0.5mg EOD, HCG 250IU 2x/wk

W7: TEST PROP 300mg /week, PROV 25mg/day, ADEX 0.5mg EOD, HCG 250IU 2x/wk

W8: TEST PROP 400mg /week, PROV 25mg/day, ADEX 0.5mg EOD, HCG 250IU 2x/wk

W9: TEST PROP 200mg /week, ADEX 0.5mg EOD, HCG 250IU 2x/wk

W10: Vitamin E 1000IU/day, ADEX 0.25mg EOD, HCG 750IU 2x/wk

W11: Vitamin E 1000IU/day, ADEX 0.25mg EOD, HCG 750IU 2x/wk

W12: Vitamin E 1000IU/day, ADEX 0.125mg EOD, HCG 1,250IU 2x/wk

PCT13: NOLVA 40mg/day
PCT14: NOLVA 40mg/day
PCT15: NOLVA 20mg/day
PCT16: NOLVA 20mg/day
PCT17: NOLVA 10mg/day
PCT18: NOLVA 5mg/day

I appreciate any help or advice that anyone can spare, I know people hate these type of threads, but every newbie has to start somewhere.

Thanks!

DONG CHEADLE

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you are putting way too much thought into this (as strange as that may sound for a cycle of hormones).

what steroids do you have on hand?

also, is this a precontest cycle?

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i would use the ADEX to prevent gyno in the first place.

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Mr.Walkway: HA, I’m an engineer so i have the tendency to over-analysis things, better to be cautious then balls 2 the wall (unless its in the gym). Have two (2) 1200mg vials of TEST CYP (from TRT clinic) and just ordered a shipment of everything else. No, this would be a post-contest bulking/lean mass cycle. I’m nursing some nagging injuries so gonna take a week off after the comp, then hit it hard.

justsaynotoketo: Was going to take the ADEX all the way through the cycle, just not sure how/when to taper it off properly since it can cause rebounds.

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Hey Walkway, what do you think about his PCT timing? It seems to me that he would want to start it several weeks earlier, if he were to do the cycle as it’s laid out here. My understanding was essentially to start PCT 2 weeks after the last pin of a long ester (cyp) if that’s what you’re using, or just a couple days after your last prop pin. In this case, his last pin with cyp is in week 5, and the last prop pin is week 9 so it seems like he should be starting PCT at like week 10. Thoughts?

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I say back to the drawing board completely. Your cycle is just weird.

Just do 12 weeks of 500mg test E

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[quote]flipcollar wrote:
Hey Walkway, what do you think about his PCT timing? It seems to me that he would want to start it several weeks earlier, if he were to do the cycle as it’s laid out here. My understanding was essentially to start PCT 2 weeks after the last pin of a long ester (cyp) if that’s what you’re using, or just a couple days after your last prop pin. In this case, his last pin with cyp is in week 5, and the last prop pin is week 9 so it seems like he should be starting PCT at like week 10. Thoughts? [/quote]

that is standard yes…

if OP has test Cyp and prop, I would begin with cyp for 10 weeks, and then use prop for the final weeks as the cyp clears so there won’t be so much down time before pct.

OP, don’t taper doses

adex should be sufficient for estrogen suppression/gyno prevention. but if gyno symptoms arise, nolva will do the job.

nolva and/or clomid are good for pct… back when I ran pct, I liked to do 6 weeks.

hcg 250iu 2x a week is good.

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Front loading with PROP allows you to get the active levels in test in your system faster then starting with just CYP.

Also, that link talks about waiting until active test levels drop to at least 3mg before starting PCT, that was my reasoning.

Can you continue PROVIRON through PCT, i don’t think it suppress you so it should be fine?

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[quote]dongcheadle wrote:
Front loading with PROP allows you to get the active levels in test in your system faster then starting with just CYP.

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lol…I know.

[quote]dongcheadle wrote:
Can you continue PROVIRON through PCT, i don’t think it suppress you so it should be fine?
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I don’t run any sort of aas throughout pct.

I understand the reasoning in waiting until every last bit of testosterone has cleared your system… but people have been doing it a certain way for a long time, and id imagine its for a good reason.

either way, steroids are not really meant to be cycled anyways

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[quote]dongcheadle wrote:
Front loading with PROP allows you to get the active levels in test in your system faster then starting with just CYP.

Also, that link talks about waiting until active test levels drop to at least 3mg before starting PCT, that was my reasoning.

Can you continue PROVIRON through PCT, i don’t think it suppress you so it should be fine?
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you can run Proviron into PCT, but i wouldn’t use it while you’re trying to get your test up. there was a study posted here a while back where the OP pointed out that Proviron doesn’t have a negative level on test levels, unless it’s individuals with high production. i would presume this would limit you in PCT in raising your levels to where you would hope they could be…

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Thanks for all the help guys, i think i got it nailed down now!

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HCG during cycle or blast at the end not pct HCG is suppressive come on people

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[quote]tyler_j_reed wrote:
HCG during cycle or blast at the end not pct HCG is suppressive come on people[/quote]

… his PCT is weeks 13-18, in which he will just be using Nolva. COME ON TYLER.

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don’t use HCG within a week of PCT. C"MON!

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got it… i dropped the Week 12 HCG.

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[quote]dongcheadle wrote:
got it… i dropped the Week 12 HCG.[/quote]

hey, i just re-read your cycle, and i guess i missed the timing of the end of your cycle and the beginning of PCT.

i’d suggest this:

Week 1-4:
Test Cyp-600 mg (200 mg/EOD)
Test Prop-350 mg (50 mg/ED)
Proviron-25 mg/day
Armidex-.5 mg/EOD
HCG-250 IU/wk

Week 5:
Test Cyp-400 mg (200 mg/E3D)
Test Prop-350 mg (50 mg/ED)
Proviron-25 mg/day
Armidex-.5 mg/EOD
HCG-250 IU/wk

Week 6-7:
Test Prop-350 mg (50 mg/ED)
Proviron-25 mg/day
Armidex-.5 mg/EOD
HCG-250 IU/EOD

Week 8:
Test Prop-175 mg (50 mg/EOD)
Proviron-25 mg/day
Armidex-.5 mg/EOD

Week 9+
Nolvadex-20 mg/day

FWIW, i don’t think this is the simplest cycle, but based off what you were trying to accomplish, i think this would be more effective…