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[quote]Varqanir wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
stokedporcupine wrote:
you ever try to do algebra with roman numerals?

To be fair, algebra with numbers isn’t terribly interesting. For algebra to have any validity it must work with any numbering system.

When I was a kid I used to wait for the day I’d be smart enough to do “Chinese Algebra”.

Is that more like Chinese Checkers or Russian Roulette?

Say what you will about the Arabs. If it weren’t for their numerals we’d be doing math with fucking Chinese characters or Roman numerals, which is somewhat akin to sex between porcupines or fiddler crabs: not impossible, but rather complicated and probably not much fun.[/quote]

Or someone else would have invented a simlar system.

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[quote]Headhunter wrote:
stokedporcupine wrote:

two points about the Chinese being good at math that most people don’t consider

first, the Chinese, like the germans, have a system based on performance. In other words, if you don’t perform, your out. Also, most of the Chinese exchange students that get sent here are the “best of the best”, its not like in America where almost anyone can participate in organized exchange programs. So, one contributing factor to the apparently “high” percentage of Chinese who are very good at math has more to do with selective processes then innate ability. ie, china isn’t land of the free and home of equal opportunity. not all of their students are as “special” as ours are. (ok, i’m done being cute, lol)

next, about the abacus, i know nothing. but what you say sounds more like the Chinese get more practice at mechanically computing arithmetic answers then your average American student (who goes for the calculator to solve 7x3). If you forced the average American student to practice their addition, subtraction, multiplication, and division algorithms twice a much as they do now, then the average American’s mathematical ability would improve drastically.

there are different ways to count and to conceptualize number systems, some of which are better then others for different purposes. ah, but this is a whole different topic.

i’m just always skeptical of this “Chinese good at math” thing. it always sounds to me like these people just practice more on average then your average American, who doesn’t realize that before one can “conceptually grasp” numbers, they need to actually memorize some multiplication tables.

After teaching math for 28 years, I would like to add that Asians are better at mathematical COMPUTATION but less so at creative mathematics. Great mimicry, poor creativity.

Part of this is cultural — to be innovative was often a threat to subsistence cultures. That new crop technique might create a bountiful harvest, or it might kill everything and you’d starve…better to stick with the tried and true.

China will eventually rule the world, btw. When you have 1.3 billion people, you produce more engineers, scientists, businessmen, and so forth. That’s okay…the Chi-Comms are pricks, let them have the thankless task of policing the globe.

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As long as they have an oppressive regime in charge they will not rule the world. As soon as the oppressive regime disappears they will lose direction and fracture.

They will not rule the world but they may run Asia for a while.

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Who cares if someone is gay its not like they are going to infest you.

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[quote]Mark Mabry wrote:
Who cares if someone is gay its not like they are going to infest you.[/quote]

The author’s point is that gay people think somewhat differently than do straight people. If its a mental illness, do we want gays in charge? If its a mutation, do we want unstable populations in charge?

Gay people are different from straight people. Assuming people act in their own self-interest, then gay people may not act in the interest of straight people.

She really makes a good deal of sense. One doesn’t expect the fox to act in the best interests of the rabbit.

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The whole gay as mental illness schtick was debunked so long ago…how long are you going to keep flogging a dead horse?

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[quote]Headhunter wrote:
If its a mental illness, do we want gays in charge? If its a mutation, do we want unstable populations in charge?[/quote]

If it were either, or both, what relevance would it have to their performance on the job?

Nothing.

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Kerns is obviously a small minded bigot. Her arguments have not a shred of validity. The only people they would make sense to would be other bigots.

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[quote]rstanley wrote:
Kerns is obviously a small minded bigot. Her arguments have not a shred of validity. The only people they would make sense to would be other bigots. [/quote]

Disprove her arguments.

Quit accepting whatever you’re told simply because its politically correct.

You can either question, or be well-liked. Go along and ‘fit in’, or actually think.

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[quote]Headhunter wrote:
rstanley wrote:
Kerns is obviously a small minded bigot. Her arguments have not a shred of validity. The only people they would make sense to would be other bigots.

Disprove her arguments.

Quit accepting whatever you’re told simply because its politically correct.

You can either question, or be well-liked. Go along and ‘fit in’, or actually think.

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She has no argument, there is nothing to disprove.

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A gay, insane man.

[quote]Headhunter wrote:
The author’s point is that gay people think somewhat differently than do straight people.
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It has also been observed that Democrats think differently from Republicans, Americans think differently than Europeans, city dwellers think differently than country people, and Apple users think differently from Windows users. So what?

Although mental illness is not a prerequisite for genius, the fact remains that most geniuses have, at one time or another in their lives, been thought insane by mediocre or inferior thinkers.

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Is bestiality genetic? Or necrophilia? Or pedophilia?

I was always under the impression that sexual appetites, outside of (maybe) some genetic predispositions, are, largely, learned behaviours.

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Dolphins, Humans & Bonobos are the only creatures to engage in both recreational and homosexual sex (AFAIK). They also happen to be what we consider creatures of higher intelligence.

Someone please explain hows it’s a disease? Tell me how it’s a mutation?

Unless you can give me an actual reason why homosexuality is wrong without going to the bible which is clearly a load of man-made bollocks, most of your arguments seem weak.

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[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Assuming people act in their own self-interest, then gay people may not act in the interest of straight people.[/quote]

Actually, most animals act in the interest of the species. Self-interest is more a subset of that primary goal.

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[quote]Makavali wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
Assuming people act in their own self-interest, then gay people may not act in the interest of straight people.

Actually, most animals act in the interest of the species. Self-interest is more a subset of that primary goal.[/quote]

No they don´t or they would not kill other offspring to replace them with their own.

Even cute dolphins do that.

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[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Why? She’s right on the money. Being gay is not how nature or God intended humans to be. Being gay is a mutation. A cock is NOT meant to go anywhere but into a woman for making a child. Of course, there’s nothing in the Holy Bible to prevent married people from playing around, but everything else is off limits.[/quote]

The bible is man-made nonsense design to keep the masses in line. I know it’s well meaning, but it’s been twisted and corrupted over the years. I’d expect someone of your intelligence to have at least some semblance of a bullshit detector.

Even monogamy is questionable. We’re just not designed for that. Has it ever occurred to you that gay people have another role within society?

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[quote]orion wrote:
Makavali wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
Assuming people act in their own self-interest, then gay people may not act in the interest of straight people.

Actually, most animals act in the interest of the species. Self-interest is more a subset of that primary goal.

No they don´t or they would not kill other offspring to replace them with their own.

Even cute dolphins do that.

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As un-PC as this may sound, if the other offspring can be killed so easily, then they are probably weak genetic stock and would have been taken out by other predators anyway. All they are doing is improving the gene pool.

I’d say that’s improving the species odds.

Either that, or it’s a genetic fuck-up, noting that a lot of animals live within societies, and others don’t.

And what I was meaning was it’s not like gay people are going to try and force homosexuality on us, that would just be counter-productive.

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[quote]Makavali wrote:
orion wrote:
Makavali wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
Assuming people act in their own self-interest, then gay people may not act in the interest of straight people.

Actually, most animals act in the interest of the species. Self-interest is more a subset of that primary goal.

No they don´t or they would not kill other offspring to replace them with their own.

Even cute dolphins do that.

As un-PC as this may sound, if the other offspring can be killed so easily, then they are probably weak genetic stock and would have been taken out by other predators anyway. All they are doing is improving the gene pool.

I’d say that’s improving the species odds.

Either that, or it’s a genetic fuck-up, noting that a lot of animals live within societies, and others don’t.

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It is neither.

Puppies are weak and as long as they are young their mothers cannot or will not conceive from the dominant dolphin/lion, whatever that has just killed or chased away the previous dominant male.

So, by killing the offspring of their predecessors the females can get pregnant with the new alpha males offspring sooner, which saves valuable time, because, after all, who knows how long the new Alpha Male will remain in that position.

That leads to the conclusion that a lion is not so much concerned with helping his species along but to produce as much copies of his own specific lion genes as possible.

Group selection simply does not fly.

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[quote]orion wrote:
It is neither.

Puppies are weak and as long as they are young their mothers cannot or will not conceive from the dominant dolphin/lion, whatever that has just killed or chased away the previous dominant male.

So, by killing the offspring of their predecessors the females can get pregnant with the new alpha males offspring sooner, which saves valuable time, because, after all, who knows how long the new Alpha Male will remain in that position.

That leads to the conclusion that a lion is not so much concerned with helping his species along but to produce as much copies of his own specific lion genes as possible.

Group selection simply does not fly.[/quote]

That’s given me something to dwell on. Thanks!

Just to throw more shit into the pot, maybe they look further towards the propagation of their own species, focusing on their own genes predominantly.

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[quote]orion wrote:
Makavali wrote:
orion wrote:
Makavali wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
Assuming people act in their own self-interest, then gay people may not act in the interest of straight people.

Actually, most animals act in the interest of the species. Self-interest is more a subset of that primary goal.

No they don´t or they would not kill other offspring to replace them with their own.

Even cute dolphins do that.

As un-PC as this may sound, if the other offspring can be killed so easily, then they are probably weak genetic stock and would have been taken out by other predators anyway. All they are doing is improving the gene pool.

I’d say that’s improving the species odds.

Either that, or it’s a genetic fuck-up, noting that a lot of animals live within societies, and others don’t.

It is neither.

Puppies are weak and as long as they are young their mothers cannot or will not conceive from the dominant dolphin/lion, whatever that has just killed or chased away the previous dominant male.

So, by killing the offspring of their predecessors the females can get pregnant with the new alpha males offspring sooner, which saves valuable time, because, after all, who knows how long the new Alpha Male will remain in that position.

That leads to the conclusion that a lion is not so much concerned with helping his species along but to produce as much copies of his own specific lion genes as possible.

Group selection simply does not fly.

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The fact that the lion was able to chase away or kill the previous dominant male likely means that he is genetically superior. It is in the best interests of the species that the mother immediately focuses on producing his genetically superior offspring rather than those of the previous male.

You are right that the lion does not care about helping his species. The results of his actions though are in fact inadvertantly in the best interests of the species.

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[quote]Headhunter wrote:

… A cock is NOT meant to go anywhere but into a woman for making a child.

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So conversely, a vagina is only supposed to have a penis go into it, correct?

This coming from the guy who wanted to give a dildo to his daughter.