Salary Cap Is a Joke

Recently read this article and thought it might provoke some thoughts here.

Why the CEO salary cap is a joke
The sighs of relief – and celebrations – on Wall Street should tell you that the limits on executive pay at bailed-out financial institutions are all but meaningless.

By Jim Jubak
MSN Money
A $500,000 cap on CEO pay at banks that have taken billions in taxpayer money?

It’s not enough.

“Off with their heads!” yelled Wonderland’s Queen of Hearts. Why isn’t there ever a bloodthirsty sociopath with dictatorial powers and no regard for legal niceties around when you need one?

And heads do need to roll. Not just to satisfy a widespread desire for revenge on the masters of the financial universe who got the world into this mess – although that’s certainly a plus. But because the greedy, shortsighted and, in some cases, downright crooked people must be punished this time. That includes everyone from middle-class speculators who lied to get mortgages they couldn’t afford to CEOs who took extreme risks because they thought they’d be out the door before the pyramid collapsed.

And I mean punished by more than just a slap on the wrist. If they aren’t, we’re just asking for a replay of this mess in five to 10 years, and, worse, we’re telling the investors of the world that they shouldn’t trust the U.S. with their money. Those aren’t good messages to send when you plan to borrow $1.5 trillion to $2.5 trillion this year alone, as the U.S. Treasury will do.

The emperor has no clothes
The Obama administration’s plan to cap CEO compensation at $500,000 got its share of headlines. With the Treasury about to unveil Troubled Asset Relief Program II, a second $350 billion-plus (hundreds of billions of dollars in “plus,” in my estimation) plan to bail out the financial system, the move is an attempt to build political support for a deeply unpopular effort. The White House and Congress are being buried under a mountain of protest at any further bailout.

But the deeper I dug into the details, the more inadequate the cap seemed. By the time I’d finished, the plan was insulting, a paper cut delivered when Madame Defarge is demanding the guillotine. Here’s why:

The cap won’t apply retroactively. If your bank has already received its $45 billion in taxpayer money, there’s no cap on pay.

The cap won’t even apply to all banks that take taxpayer money in the future. A bank that takes billions in “normal” bailout money from TARP II could get around the cap by disclosing pay and by holding a nonbinding shareholder vote on the pay. (It’s nonbinding, so why wouldn’t a company that wanted to pay more hold the vote? Because they’d be too embarrassed to pay the higher salary if they lost the vote? These companies, embarrassed? Remember the Citigroup (C, news, msgs) $50 million jet?) Only if your bank took “exceptional” assistance from taxpayers in the future would the cap be mandatory. It’s not clear how the proposal would separate “normal” from “exceptional” bailout billions, but however the term is defined, the cap clearly affects fewer companies than it seems.

The cap doesn’t apply to all compensation – just to salaries. Banks could still give CEOs huge bonuses, but the bonuses would have to be in the form of restricted stock that couldn’t be sold until after the company had repaid taxpayers.

And finally, and this is perhaps the most troubling, the cap, if finally triggered, would apply only to the top 25 or so executives at any bank. In other words, some Wall Street rocket scientist in charge of slicing and dicing subprime mortgages could make $5 million as long as he or she was far enough down the corporate ladder. Makes a lot of sense, right?

But don’t take my word for it. Consider that Wall Street breathed a sigh of relief after the Obama administration announced the plan: “It’s not as bad as we thought,” one banker told the Financial Times. “We were all fearing a comprehensive cap on all bonuses.”

That’s it? That’s the punishment for the reckless risk taking that pumped up the housing bubble, turned a decline in home prices into a global financial crisis that could shake banks and governments to the core, set off a credit crunch that brought the global economy to a standstill and has necessitated a tidal wave of taxpayer bailouts that will saddle generations to come with a mountain of debt and lower economic growth?

Doesn’t somebody in the new administration know that this crisis has severely damaged global confidence in U.S. financial markets and that we have to take extraordinary steps to restore confidence in the system? (Certainly, no one in the previous administration acted as if they understood that.)

The view from outside:
Think about how you feel after watching your retirement nest egg decimated by the stock market rout after investing in blue-chip names such as Lehman Bros. (LEHMQ, news, msgs), Washington Mutual (WAMUQ, news, msgs) and Wachovia, after watching your home value fall by double digits or after getting a note from your friendly credit card company cutting the limit on your card. Think of the disgust you’ve felt over the past week at Wall Street’s celebratory rallies on every rumor of a taxpayer bailout. All of us are mad as hell, and many of us are saying it will be a cold day in hell before we trust Wall Street or buy stocks or corporate bonds again.

Remembering your anger and disgust with the system, put yourself in the shoes of an overseas investor. They were sold Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac paper by the truckload because Wall Street said it came with a government guarantee, and no one in Washington raised a hand to say, “No, it doesn’t.” They were sold Lehman bonds and minibonds – $2 billion were bought by investors in Hong Kong alone – because Lehman was one of the lions of Wall Street and because the ratings on these bonds said they were supersafe. They were sold stakes in U.S banks, buyout funds and hedge funds on the sizzle of the U.S. financial markets.

And most of all they were sold U.S. Treasury bonds. Billions upon billions of Treasurys.

Once burned . . .
And now? These overseas investors are looking at massive losses in most of the paper that Wall Street’s sales force sold. They’re being asked to buy a big hunk of the $1.5 trillion to $2.5 trillion in additional debt that the Treasury will sell this year, and the debt that European nations will sell, and the debt and equity that U.S. corporations will sell.

And they quite legitimately are asking: Why? Why should they be suckers again? What’s changed in the U.S. financial system in 2009 so that their money is safer than it was last time around? What reason is there to believe that the guarantees and promises this time won’t turn out to be as empty as last time?

Certainly it’s hard to point to much that’s changed. Oh, sure a few big names – Bear Stearns and Lehman, for example – have bitten the dust. Merrill Lynch is no longer independent but an arm of Bank of America (BAC, news, msgs). American International Group (AIG, news, msgs) will probably have to sell off half or more of its Asian crown jewels.

Those who drove us into ditch still at the wheel:
But by and large, the folks who were neck-deep in the previous round are still in charge. And the punishments handed out have to seem like window dressing. The bonus system that paid out billions for “profits” that later turned into losses is intact. There’s still no meaningful regulation of derivatives or hedge funds or private equity funds.

I’m sure that somewhere deep in the bowels of the bureaucracies that run the Bank of Japan and the People’s Bank in China there are howls of laughter at the idea that the way to fix the U.S. system is to put someone in charge of “systemic risk” and making that someone the Federal Reserve, as Rep. Barney Frank, D-Mass., has proposed. The world’s central bankers understand, even if the congressman doesn’t, that the Fed didn’t use the powers that it had to head off the bubble and bust of 2000 or 2007.

Even if you give the U.S. financial and political system a TARP-sized benefit of the doubt and say these are hard problems to fix overnight, it’s still hard to understand why no one has gone to jail. (And I don’t mean Bernard Madoff for his decades-long Ponzi scheme.) It’s pretty clear that there are legal grounds of prosecuting individuals in the financial industry for fraud, criminal negligence, misrepresentation, violation of fiduciary duty, insider trading, misappropriation of company funds and other crimes. But where are the “perp walks”? Where are the trials with lurid details of birthday parties in Morocco and $15,000 shower curtains? Where the tearful spouses grieving the loss of $4 million second and third homes?

The message we are sending:
If the U.S. is indeed serious about fixing what’s broken in its financial system, why aren’t legal officials putting some people behind bars?

In the short term, I don’t think that would get Japanese homemakers or Chinese banking officials to pour more money into U.S. debt instruments. The fear level is too high around the globe, and sitting on your money is the safest investment available, even if it pays nothing.

But this isn’t a short-term crisis. The U.S. and the other developed economies and governments are going to need to attract capital year in and year out, as far as the eye can see. To do that, we’ve got to move now to assure investors, here and abroad, that they can believe in the fairness and honesty of the U.S. financial markets.

The world is justifiably tired of being played for a sucker.

The cap is a bad thing for everyone. If your company has had problems with being badly run, is the answer to deliberately limit the pool of applicants for new manager to the worst available and drive the top talent to other countries or industries?

Take your time, and feel free to use a pad and paper to work out your answer.

[quote]Cockney Blue wrote:
The cap is a bad thing for everyone. If your company has had problems with being badly run, is the answer to deliberately limit the pool of applicants for new manager to the worst available and drive the top talent to other countries or industries?

Take your time, and feel free to use a pad and paper to work out your answer.[/quote]

First, I have feeling even with cap restrictions, the US pay/bonus structure would still be richer than outside of the US. Especially, since there are so many loopholes to the restrictions.

Secondly, so you say more pay = better management. Okay, tell me what pay level would have been necessary to have adequate management to avoid this crisis or not to at least exacerbate it? And since you seem to have such an understanding of the issues, please give me names of said executives who would have prevented the crisis.

Take your time, and feel free to use a pad and paper to work out your answer.

[quote]ComixGuy wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
The cap is a bad thing for everyone. If your company has had problems with being badly run, is the answer to deliberately limit the pool of applicants for new manager to the worst available and drive the top talent to other countries or industries?

Take your time, and feel free to use a pad and paper to work out your answer.

First, I have feeling even with cap restrictions, the US pay/bonus structure would still be richer than outside of the US. Especially, since there are so many loopholes to the restrictions.

Secondly, so you say more pay = better management. Okay, tell me what pay level would have been necessary to have adequate management to avoid this crisis or not to at least exacerbate it? And since you seem to have such an understanding of the issues, please give me names of said executives who would have prevented the crisis.

Take your time, and feel free to use a pad and paper to work out your answer. [/quote]

Well, that clears the executives of any shenanigans. After all, if no executives could’ve prevented the crises, we should probably look to government as the origin of our ills–monetary policy, the CRA, etc.

And why put together a stimulus package if executives can’t prevent all these banks and businesses from tanking shortly after, again?

[quote]Cockney Blue wrote:
The cap is a bad thing for everyone. If your company has had problems with being badly run, is the answer to deliberately limit the pool of applicants for new manager to the worst available and drive the top talent to other countries or industries?

Take your time, and feel free to use a pad and paper to work out your answer.[/quote]

the kind of management that wants easy money and would stay away from these companies are the kind that led these companies into the ground.

people who see the opportunity and immense wealth and turning these companies around making them profitable again. How many people have done great feats in business starting off with billions of personal income, compared to the amount that started off with a pile of poo?..

Pure free market only works with pure full information about what the heck is going on. Current system is open to lies and deceit. Human nature always wants to hope for the best and make the easy buck - allowing things to run rampant as they have.

Salary cap is not the answer but all the businesses needing gov. handout should have been allowed to collapse completely. Execs should have had shares in those and lose it all. Shareholders should suffer. Should … but only if they had all the info. they required as it was happening. Which they never do.

And in this case, in many cases, shareholders were indirect - via pension funds and overseas investments. So, nobody knew where their money was.

Wasn’t USA founded on “no taxation without representation?” … well isn’t it a similar idea that you are having your funds invested in things and you have no say, no vote, can’t go to board meetings? you pension funds, and now, your tax money?

I have nothing against high salaries if it is for high performance, if there is pain for the exec when things go wrong, and if there is disclosure and shareholders have the info and power to vote.

How the hell did we get to the opposite of that?

It seems like all this nonsense wouldn’t have come about had the original bailout plans had some sort of incentive for good behavior or penalties so that we can avoid this crisis in the future. Now we have half baked plans that punish alot of men and women who worked their asses up to the top just because of a greedy few…

One aspect of the article implies that the US must make it’s market appear safer in order to have foreigners invest in it.

The great irony is that as the entire world feels the effects of the economic crisis, foreign investors flee to US bonds because they are deemed safe (hence, the recent appreciation of the dollar).

Another aspect is that it is a shame that people’s retirement stocks and home prices have been decimated. And it is. That people assumed these assets were completely without risk. That’s the kind of thinking that causes an bubble to grow.

Another aspect is that a salary cap (among other actions) should be used to punish management that caused the financial/economic crisis.

Now, if this is a business contract, the US government acting as a bank and loaning businesses money to stay afloat, they should have the freedom to attach any strings they want to the loan. If a salary cap is among them, so be it. And if the company doesn’t like the loan, they don’t have to take it.

But if the effect is to be punitive for bad management, I think it’s foolish. You don’t punish bad management by reducing their salary. You punish bad management by not investing in them.

[quote]ComixGuy wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
The cap is a bad thing for everyone. If your company has had problems with being badly run, is the answer to deliberately limit the pool of applicants for new manager to the worst available and drive the top talent to other countries or industries?

Take your time, and feel free to use a pad and paper to work out your answer.

First, I have feeling even with cap restrictions, the US pay/bonus structure would still be richer than outside of the US. Especially, since there are so many loopholes to the restrictions.

Secondly, so you say more pay = better management. Okay, tell me what pay level would have been necessary to have adequate management to avoid this crisis or not to at least exacerbate it?

And since you seem to have such an understanding of the issues, please give me names of said executives who would have prevented the crisis.

Take your time, and feel free to use a pad and paper to work out your answer. [/quote]

More pay doesn’t necessarily = better management but at a time that companies need to be looking for the best possible management you shouldn’t be limiting the pool of applicants.

Also as several people have already commented you can’t just blame the management. The government policies that were as much if not more to blame.

I don’t need to tell you what pay level would have been necessary to avoid the crisis, that is the whole point of a market economy, the level needed is what someone is prepared to take the job for.

[quote]Magarhe wrote:
Pure free market only works with pure full information about what the heck is going on. Current system is open to lies and deceit. Human nature always wants to hope for the best and make the easy buck - allowing things to run rampant as they have.

Salary cap is not the answer but all the businesses needing gov. handout should have been allowed to collapse completely. Execs should have had shares in those and lose it all. Shareholders should suffer. Should … but only if they had all the info. they required as it was happening. Which they never do.

And in this case, in many cases, shareholders were indirect - via pension funds and overseas investments. So, nobody knew where their money was.

Wasn’t USA founded on “no taxation without representation?” … well isn’t it a similar idea that you are having your funds invested in things and you have no say, no vote, can’t go to board meetings? you pension funds, and now, your tax money?
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Investements - You shouldn’t invest in something you don’t know about. I have conservative 401k investments that haven’t lost a dime. Actually been making a % or two.

Pensions - Pensions are a part of compensation. If you feel you have no control and investments are shady, don’t put as much value in it.

Tax dollars - 100% agree. That was stolen from us. Well, our children anyway.

How do you know we have? Are you sure someone else that is willing to work for 500k will do a better job? The value in these executive’s salaries may not have been in relative gains, but in relative losses. If they lost 10 million where options 2 would have lost 100, are they not worth the differense or at least some portion of it?

We are so quick to declare incompetence when not one of us knows that they were not the best available and worth every penny. Only the board can make that decision. If we don’t trust the board, we shouldn’t have invested. I don’t trust the board, we shouldn’t have invested, but I am not prepaired to make hiring decisions for some of the worlds largest banks. Evidently some are. I would like to know their qualifications that allow them to make such decisions.