[quote]ZEB wrote:
And you are?
Agnostic I believe…
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No. I still consider myself Catholic, although I accept that other religions could be just as right.
But see? Ain’t it cool that you don’t know?
Cause I don’t fucking talk about it every second.
[quote]ZEB wrote:
We live in a time where no one likes to be told that “this is the way” or “that is the way.”
You can see it on other threads as well. If someone states that there is only one way to train, they usually get attacked and with good reason.
Steveo has been outspoken regarding his faith. If he was outspoken about any other topic he would have also been attacked.
That his topic is Jesus Christ that only intensifies the attacks. It’s also biblical that any who speak out for Christ will be attacked…nothing new here.
Let’s not kid ourselves, most of the folks who are attacking steveo are atheists, or agnostic.
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Steveo’s off-beat logic is a good lure. It’s quaranteed to attract attention.
[quote]steveo5801 wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
I agree completely with X’s post. Hell, even Rainjack’s.
Of course, only we can make the change. My blinding hatred of SteveO has made me reply on many of his threads, but that is going to change.
We can get back to talking about politics. And it’s about time.
As the most political forum members, we make a nonagression pact betweent the Left and the Right in order to get the shit back to the way it used to be. Then, like Stalin and Hitler,we can turn on each other and do what we do.
Anyway, let’s get back to politics.
Hate will only eat you alive, Irish. I will pray for you.
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I wish a polar bear would eat you alive, Steve.
[quote]steveo5801 wrote:
I’ll address several of the recnt posts, because I am amazed at some of the mental gymnastics that are going on to attempt to couch me in terms of a troll or someone who has “outside motivation,” etc.
My motivation to post comes from a Biblical Worldview, but that is INTERNAL MOTIVATION, not external. Vroom brought up the analogy of commercialism. If I were selling something, I am gaining something in return, namely potential income. That is outside motivation. On the other hand, because I believe the Bible and have been saved, I am motivated internally to share my faith in whatever form I can.
These public forums are open to everyone that wishes to post their ideas about a wide range of subjects.
The fact is that the hate that is directed to me is just because I am a Christian that will not keep silent about his faith. It is that simple.
It is the height of hypocracy to spew garbage that I should be banned from these forums for telling others how they might know God, while those who use foul language and hate should remain on the board.
These boards do not belong to any individual, but to all who post.
Grow up, get a life, and recognize that in the free world, open discussion, debate, proclaimation, and yes, even preaching, can be done openly and in all public forums.[/quote]
It’s not a cut and dried as you being persecuted for your views. I am a Christian also and I have to say I take offense at how you sometimes express your faith. The thread about Jesus or Burn is a fine example.
Ask yourself Steveo, would you find Christ talking like that? Or would he reach out in love and set the example? Would there be forgiveness? I don’t care for the way you portray the Lord sometimes. He comes of as comtemptous and hateful. That’s not the Christ I know. Your ferventcy, if thats a word is not in question. Your choice of outreach I think sometimes is.
Just my opinion.
[quote]ZEB wrote:
We live in a time where no one likes to be told that “this is the way” or “that is the way.”
You can see it on other threads as well. If someone states that there is only one way to train, they usually get attacked and with good reason.
Steveo has been outspoken regarding his faith. If he was outspoken about any other topic he would have also been attacked.
That his topic is Jesus Christ that only intensifies the attacks. It’s also biblical that any who speak out for Christ will be attacked…nothing new here.
Let’s not kid ourselves, most of the folks who are attacking steveo are atheists, or agnostic.
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And some don’t appreciate the way he sometimes portrays the Lord to others.
Religion=Global Warming:
I don’t know and neither do you.
JeffR
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
Lorisco wrote:
Well I guess that is the issue. His posts are not political in nature, they are his profession of faith, which is great. The problem is (as Al stated) faith is difficult to discuss or debate. But I disagree with the idea that faith is separate from logic and reason. The evidence of faith is seen in the real world in real and measurable ways. If you don’t believe this look into how new medications are tested for efficacy. They determine if something works based on its performance in a clinical trial against a placebo. A placebo only works because the subject has FAITH that it will work.
And an interesting fact about this process is that while the placebo effect is used as a benchmark in pharmaceutical research science has little understanding of the actual psychoneurotic process that allows a placebo to work.
So there are a lot of things in this world that demonstrate the logic and reason of faith and these are things that current logic and reason cannot scientifically explain.
I’m not saying God does or doesn’t exist, and I agree that there is much that science still can’t explain, and that’s why I lean to the thought that there is a God, and probably in the Judeo-Christian vein.
However, SteveO does not debate religion, he tells others they will burn in hell for not agreeing with him.
The base question is still unanswered- you can’t debate religion backing it up with the Bible. You can debate the existence of God, but not which religion is cooler. It’s not possible to do logically[/quote]
Irish, I agree with you, but I do think you can debate the merits of each religion based on the outcome of being a believer in that particular religion. So the religion that has the most positive impact on the person involved and those he/she comes in contact with would then be the coolest! Rights?
[quote]JeffR wrote:
Religion=Global Warming:
I don’t know and neither do you.
JeffR[/quote]
That’s profound bro, no really!
[quote]JeffR wrote:
Religion=Global Warming:
I don’t know and neither do you.
JeffR[/quote]
I’m shuddering as I type this…but I agree with you.
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
Lorisco wrote:
Well I guess that is the issue. His posts are not political in nature, they are his profession of faith, which is great. The problem is (as Al stated) faith is difficult to discuss or debate. But I disagree with the idea that faith is separate from logic and reason. The evidence of faith is seen in the real world in real and measurable ways. If you don’t believe this look into how new medications are tested for efficacy. They determine if something works based on its performance in a clinical trial against a placebo. A placebo only works because the subject has FAITH that it will work.
And an interesting fact about this process is that while the placebo effect is used as a benchmark in pharmaceutical research science has little understanding of the actual psychoneurotic process that allows a placebo to work.
So there are a lot of things in this world that demonstrate the logic and reason of faith and these are things that current logic and reason cannot scientifically explain.
I’m not saying God does or doesn’t exist, and I agree that there is much that science still can’t explain, and that’s why I lean to the thought that there is a God, and probably in the Judeo-Christian vein.
However, SteveO does not debate religion, he tells others they will burn in hell for not agreeing with him.
The base question is still unanswered- you can’t debate religion backing it up with the Bible. You can debate the existence of God, but not which religion is cooler. It’s not possible to do logically[/quote]
Well…I have to admit I did guess.
But you did say this in one of your most recent posts:
The above line usually means that someone is “agnostic.”
Now…just out of curiostity…and if you don’t mind…do you think God exists or not?
Thank you Irish.
[quote]ZEB wrote:
Now…just out of curiostity…and if you don’t mind…do you think God exists or not?
Thank you Irish.
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I think a God exists. He might not be in the Judeo-Christian form, although that’s what I lean to because of upbringing.
But I’d say this whole universe is to fantastic to just come from nothing. So yes, there’s a God.
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
But I’d say this whole universe is to fantastic to just come from nothing. So yes, there’s a God.[/quote]
I don’t understand this reasoning. The universe is too fantastic to come from nothing, so we say the universe comes from God.
But God is even more fantastic than the universe, so where did He come from? The usual answer is that God doesn’t come from anything, He always was.
My question then is this: Why is the universe too fantastic to come from nothing, but not fantastic enough to always have been?
Or, to put it more succinctly, why are the supposed shortcomings of the universe not applicable to God Himself, or, vice-versa, His “workarounds” inapplicable to the universe.
Zeb,
You may have noticed by now that people who believe in God, people that don’t believe in God and people that have no opinion all find Steveo extremely annoying.
Shuck off the persecution complex for a moment and you will see that.
However, I do have to say, what a person believes in this area should not preclude them from having an opinion. If it did, then you’d be “persecuting” those that didn’t believe.
I’ll bet none of you dumbasses can tell me who said this:
Politicians around the world are all the same, they will promise to build a bridge where there is no river
[quote]ZEB wrote:
Let’s not kid ourselves, most of the folks who are attacking steveo are atheists, or agnostic.
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Alternative hypothesis:
More than half the folks who attack Steveo believe in God and Jesus in some form, but are heavily influenced by masonic ideas.
A large minority of the attackers are agnostics and atheists.
A small minority fit neither category but nonetheless strongly disagree with his ideas, his approach, or his methods for some other reason(s).
[quote]WestsideLuvr wrote:
I’ll bet none of you dumbasses can tell me who said this:
Politicians around the world are all the same, they will promise to build a bridge where there is no river[/quote]
It was Nikita Khrushchev.
Can any of you other dumbasses also tell him it was Nikita Khrushchev?
[quote]harris447 wrote:
steveo5801 wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
I agree completely with X’s post. Hell, even Rainjack’s.
Of course, only we can make the change. My blinding hatred of SteveO has made me reply on many of his threads, but that is going to change.
We can get back to talking about politics. And it’s about time.
As the most political forum members, we make a nonagression pact betweent the Left and the Right in order to get the shit back to the way it used to be. Then, like Stalin and Hitler,we can turn on each other and do what we do.
Anyway, let’s get back to politics.
Hate will only eat you alive, Irish. I will pray for you.
I wish a polar bear would eat you alive, Steve.
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Sorry, Harris – I don’t like the cold much. Perhaps I will get attacked one day by a black bear. I like hiking in areas where they roam. Anyway, if I do I will be in Heaven with my Lord. You will still be on your way to a Christless eternity.
Seems to me that I get the better of the deal, hey?
Take care and I pray that you rethink your relationship with God.
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
Fuck him.[/quote]
Sorry Irish, I like women. And besides, homosexuality is grevious sin.
Perhaps you can get together with Forlife. He likes that sort of thing you know…
…lol
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
ZEB wrote:
And you are?
Agnostic I believe…
No. I still consider myself Catholic, although I accept that other religions could be just as right. [/quote]
Is that what the Bible teaches? If you are Catholic, you should then agree that the Bible is God’s Word. They do read the Bible in the Catholic religion don’t they?
Does your Bible tell you that other religions are OK with God? Are you really Catholic? How so? [quote]
But see? Ain’t it cool that you don’t know?[/quote]
Why would that be cool? The Bible says in 1 John 5 that you can know. That all true Christians do know that they are saved. So, conversely, if you don’t know you don’t have it. See? That is Bible teaching.[quote]
Cause I don’t fucking talk about it every second.[/quote]
Would the pope approve of your “holy” language? What kind of “christian” talks like this?
The Bible says that we should not love the world system, neither should we (if we are Christian) look and sound like the world. Why do you?
[quote]btm62 wrote:
steveo5801 wrote:
I’ll address several of the recnt posts, because I am amazed at some of the mental gymnastics that are going on to attempt to couch me in terms of a troll or someone who has “outside motivation,” etc.
My motivation to post comes from a Biblical Worldview, but that is INTERNAL MOTIVATION, not external. Vroom brought up the analogy of commercialism. If I were selling something, I am gaining something in return, namely potential income. That is outside motivation. On the other hand, because I believe the Bible and have been saved, I am motivated internally to share my faith in whatever form I can.
These public forums are open to everyone that wishes to post their ideas about a wide range of subjects.
The fact is that the hate that is directed to me is just because I am a Christian that will not keep silent about his faith. It is that simple.
It is the height of hypocracy to spew garbage that I should be banned from these forums for telling others how they might know God, while those who use foul language and hate should remain on the board.
These boards do not belong to any individual, but to all who post.
Grow up, get a life, and recognize that in the free world, open discussion, debate, proclaimation, and yes, even preaching, can be done openly and in all public forums.
It’s not a cut and dried as you being persecuted for your views. I am a Christian also and I have to say I take offense at how you sometimes express your faith. The thread about Jesus or Burn is a fine example.
Ask yourself Steveo, would you find Christ talking like that? [/quote]
You don’t have to do much ‘asking,’ but you can do much reading. Why don’t you open your Bible and read in the Gospels all of the references where Jesus spoke to people (usually religious hypocrites – yes, Jesus used that term) and preached Hell to them. That they would burn forever. That it will be everlasting fire. That their will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. Yes, Jesus told it all – because He is a God of love and mercy, He told people what they could be saved from. So your statement is a bit of a puzzle, unless you have never read the Bible or conveniently have a memory loss for those references. My challenge to you is to go and find them and then get back to us. [quote]
Or would he reach out in love and set the example? Would there be forgiveness? I don’t care for the way you portray the Lord sometimes. He comes of as comtemptous and hateful. That’s not the Christ I know. Your ferventcy, if thats a word is not in question. Your choice of outreach I think sometimes is.
Just my opinion. [/quote]
That’s fair. It is difficult to portray “emotion” and “tone” in written form. I would say that if you look at my posts, they really do reflect Bible teaching.