I hit a nerve like every 4th time. Made the whole leg twitch but no real pain.
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Did you ever do Delts then @NH_watts brother? as you said don’t do glutes just wondering
Lolz. Fuck that. Honestly. If I hit a vein. No worries. A nerve. Ehh would suck
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I’ll continue glutes for 1st month. N try Sub c 2bd month to see if my body absorbs it. Everyone has mixed reviews on here of sub c injections… NH_Watts do you use a 1 inch in your qauds. I could use a half inch i and I’d hit muscle. I habe skinny qauds with no fat
I read a 1.5 inch into the qauds. Fuck me. I’d hit my femur. Jkz Jkz 
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Hahaha. Go for it bra 
lol…
MINI UPDATE ON MY PROTOCOL.
I decided to take 0.25mgs of Armidex already. I know its only early stages BUT keep in mind. My e2 was already 22 before starting TRT. So I want to try and keep it around there. I don’t want it raising higher with my T levels as it will increase SHBG and it was already 29 before starting. So let’s see how it goes. I will not take another 0.25 for at least 4 days. Maybe 7 days.
ALSO. AND PROBABLY MORE IMPORTANT TO ME.
hCG.
After I recently clippered my pubic hair. (Too much information. I know. Sorry) BUT
I can really see what’s going on there during sex and its not pretty. They sit up so high. Half inside me. All I’m left with is a wrinkly skin/sac there. At other times of the day. They’re fairly normal and will hang and be like chicken egg size (smallish egg size).
So enough is enough. I did my first jab of hCG today as well.
I’ll be doing 250iu E2D. Wed, Fri, Sun, Tue for a week. And see if there’s any improvement. I bloody hope my body senses high mimicked LH activity and pumps out some normal T and increases these bad boys. Otherwise I’m fucked. 
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You’re making way too many changes all at once and without enough baseline labs.
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Yeah I know. I already told myself. No more armidex for at least one more week. I’m just a little worried to much hCG and Test will raise estrogen too quickly. I also don’t want to blast hCG in case of creating too much intertesticular estrogen that an AI won’t help. But I’m running the hCG atm no matter what while on Test to try bring back some teste size. No more then 1000iu - 1500iu a week and see what happens. I haven’t been able to go back to the docs to get the DHEA and rt3 results. Or get the new pregnolone, DHT, T3, T4 yet. Would you be a liitle concerned I should not be trying to manage E a little while on 125 mg of test a week. And up to 1500 iu of hcg…? If I don’t. I may just feel shit for the next few weeks? With the same out of whack E to T levels?
Also with my cortisol at 314 nmol/L (120-620 nmol/L) and ferretin 332 ug/L (30-300) and prolactin at 76 mIU/L (40 - 450). Do you feel my DHEA, DHT AND PREGNOLONE would all be at an adequate level?
And TSH of 2.0 even though it’s a little high. Im not hypothyroid.???
Or is there just no definitive answer for that until all the results come in. I understand that if am little hypothyroid that it doesn’t matter how much I concentrate on correcting my hormone imbalance that I still will not feel 100% satisfactory. So I want to correct if there’s an issue.
I’ve booked in to get new bloods on Monday. I will pick up DHEA and rt3 results then as well.
I’ve been reading like a maniac for the past 2 weeks. Thanks to T-nation.
I probably have hypothyroidism as well. Which could be the cause of my hypogonadism. Or I have both.
Results will tell.
The thyroid glands in my neck don’t feel right. It feels full/inflamed. It comes and goes. It has done for years.
That’s a good possibility as to why I feel up and down so much. Mainly down. I could go into a shit load more detail about this past week and whatnot. But there’s no point until I do further testing and try to fix everything together. I will do. Whatever it takes and run every course to fix my hormonal imbalance.
Once I get all the new results. I will post. Also. Once I get them. I will take them to a naturopath. And see what I can do about my thyroid. As my Doc is hopeless if you’ve followed my posts. I’ve read all the stickies. Cheers.
Oh yeah. A thermometer is coming of eBay. So I will start body temps around mid next week.
Brother this is me being very concerned and not at all trying to be a dick, so I apologize in advance if this comes across that way…
If you don’t calm the fuck down, especially with throwing your hormones into shock by constantly throwing different shit at your body, you’re going to give yourself a heart attack!
Stick with the 100mg/week (50mg E3.5D) for 6 weeks and put the HCG, and the AI’s on the furthest reaching shelf in your closet and forget you have them. Obtain a slow steady state and then evaluate. Your body doesn’t react as quickly as you do, especially when you throw anxiety into the mix…(you obviously have some anxiety going on even if you don’t realize it). Chill bro. Relax and give the protocol some time. Stabilize the Test for around 6-8 weeks and then try to introduce a SMALL amount of HCG. After another 6 weeks or so, evaluate again and see if you need to add a little bit more.
This is not electronic reasoning here. You can’t push a button, make a decision, push another button, make another decision…doesn’t work that way. This is more like growing a garden…till the soil, wait a bit…plant a seed, wait a little while…watch it grow and water…wait a while…add a little fertilizer IF the growing process shows signs of needing it…wait a while…watch it grow some more, water…wait a while…tweak the fertilizer if needed…wait a while…then when it’s ready and the fruit is perfect…THEN you get the full reward…
Again, hope this came out the way I meant it. Relax bro and settle in. This is a process, not a video game.
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Brother I 100% agree with you. About how longs things take and how to approach TRT properly. Maybe the way I type makes me seem anxious but I’m not anxious about the TRT side of things. Not sure if you’ve read every post I’ve written. But. There’s no chance I’m stopping hCG for now since I’ve started. If anything I’d stop the TRT doses and continue to try and reverse some teste atrophy I cause 11 years ago.
I’m only going to be doing these TRT doses for 3 months and then trying a restart/PCT to see if I can get my body to function better on its own before I started. If I can’t then the slow normal TRT route is the option for me.
But also on top of this. I do have a thyroid issue that could be causing my low T. More tests soon. So I’ll see how I go. I have more the 1 issue happening. That’s why it’s a bit all over the shop trying to quickly sought them all out at once. There’s no point in me just taking TRT doses. If I have a thyroid not functioning correctly. Also no point in me doing TRT shots for 6 weeks and letting estrogen rise along with it, before I decide to try and lower it for the last 6 weeks, when I can control it right now. The hCG I cannot do with out. I’m already experiencing very minor atrophy again. But it is happening. I’m still unsure whether it will work for me in reversing atrophy. But I will ride it out.
I hope that clears things up a bit. If not. Its all good bro.
If I come across fast and like boom, boom. One thing to another. That is me in real life. I’m pretty hectic. But I’m not stressed or anxious writing these things man. Just tryna type my mind n get some opinions. Thanks heaps. Did it clear things up. Or am I still a roller-coaster lmao?
Wasn’t really going by the way you were typing so much as WHAT you were typing.
7 days ago…
4days ago…
3 days ago…
See what I’m trying to say? In 7 days (one week) you’ve got three different approaches going on.
Yeah I think I’m pretty clear here brother. Good luck with it. I truly do hope you the best.
Yeah. I hear ya lol. Thanks mate. I appreciate it. I’m doing my best to try stick to what I’m doing now. Like I said I’ll post in about week with the new bloods and continue to go from there. Thanks for your posts. Means alot 
How are ya Hostile? I was able to get in to the doctors today to have the rest of the bloods taken.
I obtained my rT3 and DHEA-a results
You thought they’d be useful even before I get T3 T4 back.
rT3 was. 473 pmol/L (170 - 450)
DHEAS - 12 umol/L (3.0 - 10)
What do you feel about high rt3? Dven before I get T3, T4 back in a week. Thanks
Your labs are looking more and more like mine. High rt3 like that essentially makes you hypothyroid, even if your tsh were 1.0 with t4 and t3 at an optimal level. Rt3 renders the metabolically active fuel of t3, essentially useless.
The problem is there’s no great way to reduce rt3 quickly and easily since it increases due to any perceptible or imperceptible stressors. Lack of sleep, psychological stress, overtraining, anxiety, sickness, infection, injury, loss of loved one, food sensitivities.
The idea would be to ID what’s triggering your body to convert t3 to rt3. Something is giving your body the idea that the breaks need to be “put on” for some reason.
I’ve read that for some people, taking t3 is helpful. I haven’t yet gone down that path but am getting closer to trying it.
Licorice tablets believe it or not have been extremely helpful in its relationship to cortisol which is then related to “stress” and therefore rt3.
If you decide to play with t3, let me know how you feel.
Just to beat a dead horse, you really should have waited for your labs before going down trt. For health purposes, that should be the last option. If you just want to put on some muscle then so be it, but don’t do it under the pretense of health. Now you may have to deal with being completely shut down on top of this other problem. There is no logic to your thinking of shutting yourself down for 3 months and then rebooting your system with a serm. Some never reboot when shut down. It’s Russian roulette everytime for some…
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I’m pretty highly strung. Not on edge. But always on the go and don’t mess about too much. I’m a massive adrenaline junkie.
Could these factors play into high rt3? Cortisol was halfway bout 300 I think out 600 at around 9am if you remember from earlier bloods.
I really am stress free with my life atm. I made big changes 5 months ago in every aspect of my life. Told certain people I don’t want to be mates anymore. I even got rid of a long time GF to further better my life. So nothing is weighing me down or holding me back in that sense. I can’t really think of any food allergies. I’d pray it’s not eggs or milk. Because I have alot.
I can’t pin point to anything specific atm unfortunately.
I’ve read supplementing with some T3 can help lower rt3. And get things functioning properly.
I’ll definitely be going to a naturopath recommended to me. To see if they can knock up any potions that may help with normal/regular thyroid function.
How long have you continued to have a high rt3 count and feelings of hypothyroidism?
Is it effecting your quality of life or TRT effects?
Do you ever have feelings of something stuck in bottom of throat. Like swollen/enlarged thyroid glands?
Do your fingers or feet get way colder then the rest of your body?
Do you hate cold weather?
I’m assuming decent doses of iodine and selenium is not going to effect this rt3 result and could also stuff up my gut flora further. As you mentioned before liver n kidney results aren’t the greatest.
What have you tried that helps T3 become more active, by lowering rt3? Anything?
I understand what you’re saying in your last paragraph. I agree to some degree. It may not be a logical way of going about it. I’m not running TRT doses for muscle gain. That’s not my objective and pointless in my eyes on 125mg test a week.
You’ve got to remember.
I’ve clearly experienced testicular atrophy 10 years ago. That sometimes can be bad and sometimes not. They hide. They don’t. If that makes sense.
If I’m going to run hCG, like I am right now. It’s going to kill LH production anyway. So I might as well stick with the TRT doses for now whilst on the hCG.
If my nuts return to where I’m satisfied. I’m considering running a SERM earlier then when “3 months” is up. And then seeing how my body copes at producing more LH then what I was before starting TRT. Which was 2.0. Which is shit.
And I feel its because of how I left my body 10 years ago just straight of AAS cold. They may never come back properly. So I’ll have to wait and see.
I can’t start the SERM until I’ve finished the hCG.
They may just go back to producing what they were before I started. As you said they may not even return to that level. They could also kick on harder.
My body has never experienced a SERM and it may be all it needs. It’s also possible that it will work, but once the SERM is stopped, the levels will drop again.
I understand my higher albumin levels and average SHBG levels are binding up some of my FT but I don’t have a large TT to begin with. I know I need to continue to improve liver enzyme levels. I’ve been doing the right thing diet and exercise wise for coming on 6 months now. Since the beginning of April or eveh earlier. It was a slow progression to 100% commitment.
I understand this thyroid condition I’m beginning to sense I have. That I’ve only figured out this past week or 2 (thanks to this great site and its members) is a big part of all of this aswell.
I guess you wouldn’t be wrong in saying I’m looking for a quick fix with the TRT doses for now. Because atm I am.
All these other issues that are present are going to take some time before they can be rectified. If they can be rectified.
So in the mean time. I need to feel half okay. I couldn’t continue the way I was. My life is so great right now but I was so low for no reason. So I’m sticking with the TRT doses for now. I guess you feel I’m shooting myself in the foot but give me some better options for this present time and I’ll definitely give them great consideration.
How long have you been on TRT for and also having symptoms of hypothyroidism?
Cheers again Hostile.
If I told you my blood pressure readings. You’d definitely be against me on any exogenous T. I did a reading for the first time ever 2 days ago on Friday when I sat for the bloods with a new doctor.
It was 124/84 , HR - 74.
I don’t know if it’s always been like that BUT I know for a fact since the first shot nearly 2 weeks ago. From day 1. I have been able to feel my heart pumping. Its not pumping harder then usual. Just louder. A stronger beat.