Ryan's Log

5/9/2012 Shoulders/Traps

BB 65* incline
Bar x 12
95x10
115x8
135x6
155x5
175x5
185x5
195x5
205x3x2+2+1

Wide grip
135x8 (CT)

DB 75* press (CT)
40x12
50x12
60x12
70x9
75x6,7

Arnold press
65x4x8 1x7
55x8
50x8

Heavy partial/Seated full/Standing lateral
70/20/20x3x30/8/6

Heavy partial lateral drop set
70x25 60x15 50x15 40x12

Upright cable row
130x4x12

TB shrug
145x20
235x20
285x20
325x20
375x16
425x13 drop 325x14 drop 235x12 drop 195x12

DB shrug
100x12,10 drop 85x8 drop 70x8 drop 60x8 drop 50x8

Fun workout. Volume week. I love it! Overtraining. No sir. Just pure domination. Rep and set increase on a few different exersies. Happy with this. Especially being able to get some extra reps deep into the workout where I would not even expect it. The BB pressing is getting strong but pressing goes up very slow for me. So I am happy with little bits here and there.

Ate a ton last night. Whats new. Quadz today

5/3/2012 Quads/Abs

Trap Bar dead
145x15
195x12
235x8
285x6
305x5
325x5
375x5
415x5
430x5x1, 2+2+1, 3+2+1

Front squat: (continuous tension)
135x6
155x5
185x4
205x2
215x5x8
185x11

TBD: 305x17 (continuous tension)

BSS: 70x2x6, 3x7

Leg press: (CT)
14x4x11+4 (The +4 are locked out)
17x9 ds 14x8 ds 11x12 ds 9x14 (all CT except the set at 17

Leg extension: (short rest)
150x28
170x15
190x13,
210x11

Extreme stretch

Elyptical 20-25 hard 40-35 sec easy hang leg raise to failure/kneeling crunch failure 9 rounds

Workout went very well. The trap bar deads felt good. First cluster set felt a bit heavy. But by the third set was feeling very strong. 430x3 is close to a tieing a rep PR and that is pretty deep into reps/sets so that is good. The front squats were the same way.l Started off a bit heavy but got better as I went. Last set of 8 was rough. The continuous tension is amazing. The high rep TBD with CT leaves me panting. I told myself if I could still increase reps on BSS that I wouldn?t do walking lunges. I was able to get 3 sets with 1 more rep so WIN. Leg press increase a rep on the CT sets and increased reps on the drop set. I was running short on time so rest periods on leg extensions went down so reps decreased slightly. Sprints after all this are brutal but that?s fine I love it. Definetly gaining some weight this is normally where I would take a couple days and back off calories a bit and tighten up but fuck that noise gonna get PHAT!

Found this gem while at work.

PAYING YOUR DUES by Dante Trudel


PAYING YOUR DUES

This post is for everyone in this forum–its very important to read over–VERY IMPORTANT. Want to know the average trainee that comes to me? He is 35-45 years old and after 10-15 years of lifting weighs 175 to 210lbs. He looks at me as the guy that somehow can pull a bunny out of a hat and make him that 250lb ripped bodybuilder walking the streets… where he couldnt even get close to that level by himself. He is scrambling around because he doesnt want to get to 50 years old never feeling what it was like to walk thru a crowd and people gawk, stare, and point because he is a damn good bodybuilder. Well what the hell have you been doing all these years!!! You should of put in your f*^&ing dues like the rest of us. These same guys think Im a miracle worker that can somehow add 80lbs of muscle mass on their frame while losing 30lbs of fat while keeping incredibly lean thruout the journey to get there. Well guess what? YOU FUCKED UP. Want to know the fastest way to walk around at 250 ripped–THE ABSOLUTELY G’DAMN FASTEST WAY TO GET THERE? TAKE 2 YEARS AND EAT HUGE AMOUNTS OF FOOD, AND TRAIN WITH BRUTALLY HEAVY WEIGHTS, AND BECOME A BIG FAT OFFENSIVE LINEMAN LOOKING GUY AT 330LBS…AND NO IT WONT BE PRETTY…AT ALL. MOST OF ALL DONT DO ANYTHING THAT COULD POSSIBLY EVEN IMPEDE THE SLIGHTEST IN MUSCLE MASS GAIN. Just eat copious amounts of food (up to 500-600 grams of protein) and bring your bodyweight up the charts which will allow you leverage and strength gains to allow you use the incredible weights you have to use in the gym to accomplish this. Then after being at that level for density reasons for awhile, you can slowly take it down and I mean slowly and most likely have the most muscle mass gain your genetics allowed in that time frame. That is the probably the fastest way in the shortest time to get there. But definitely not the most desirable but truth is truth. Am i recommending that approach–HELL NO, but if we are talking about getting this done as fast as humanly possible then I have to be blunt. Noone wants to look like a fat slob even if it means the end result will be much closer to their ideal. And these guys 35-45 years old want me to keep them pretty boy lean and wave the magic wand and make them into Milos Sarcev after they pretty much just wasted 10-15 years of training.

I dont like using myself for an example but I will here. I started training at about 20 at 137lbs and predominantly spent the next 15 years eating tremendous amounts of food, training with very heavy weights but keeping active so I am at a leaness I personally am satisfied with. I topped out at about 303lbs and but currently hang around 283-288 because thats what I like to be at. I put my dues in here. I might jump in a show if time allows but because of my schedule currently we will have to see how that works out. Mainly Im looking forward to the day I can kind of relax and not push the limits like I have all these years. The 6 meals a day every day, and the war with the logbook along with lugging around 285-300lbs sometimes becomes very tedious. I go to bed at nite thinking exactly what Im going to do and what all this hard work will easily allow myself to do when I decide to crank the dial downward. Cardio will be done 6 times a week for health and bodyfat reasons and that will take priority.

Back to the subject on hand here. So what will all this hard work for the past 15 years allow me to do? I’m in my mid 30’s now so for the rest of my 30’s and thru my 40’ and 50’s i can pretty much walk around at 250lbs hard as a rock at a very low bodyfat percentage. Ive set myself up so that will be very very easy. I actually have to do much less than everything I do now (except cardio) to be there. Ill use guys in this forum for examples, Inhuman and massive G are both around 5’9", 5’10" and are offseason 280 to 300. They have spent the time and food consumption and paid their dues to get there. Massive G I believe is mid 30’s and Inhuman is early 40’s I believe. Both these guys will be able to crank this down and enjoy walking around with full abs, hard as granite with veins everywhere at 240-260lbs. They have set themselves up and paid their dues in their 20’s and 30’s to do that. You guys that are 35-45 years old who want this but weigh 175-210lbs are playing catchup and are so behind the race its sad. My point of this post is to get guys in their early 20’s to think, to get guys who just blew 10 years of training who are in their 30’s to think, and to get guys who just blew 10-15 years of training who are in their 40’s to think. Am I advising bulking up? No that was a hypothetical example. Im advising you get your freaking head on straight if you want this so bad. That means extreme food intake pronto, with the heaviest weights in good form that you can use progressively, extreme stretching and enough cardio (and bodyfat protocols) that it keeps you at a leaness your satisfied with as you get dramatically larger. This sport isnt unlike a career. You have to set yourself up early so you can be right where you want to be late. Theres alot of you guys 35-45 years old in this forum, some that I even train, that think they want it but really dont have what it takes to go get it. I see it in their workouts they send me (they take the easy comfortable road never pushing the limits) and for those that I dont train I sometimes see it in your posts—you just dont have what it takes. I can only provide a guide to get there, I cant create an inner drive for you.

You have to start thinking in terms of point B from point A. Do you really think that eating 3000 calories with 225 grams of protein and doing the Weider “confusion training principle” to keep your body offguard will somehow magically make your 175lbs into 250lbs of rock granite monstrosity? Every year of training is so damn important. If you just trained for a whole year and only gained 2lbs of muscle mass, you just pretty much wasted a productive year of training–its gone–its lost and you arent getting that year back. Three weeks ago I was contacted by someone in his early 40’s who had been lifting for many years, weighed about 170lbs and showed me a picture of Geir Borgan Paulsen and said thats what he wanted to look like and can i get him there?!. Laughable. Geir Borgan Paulsen is 50 years old and looks freaking phenomenal. He is a tiny bit (and i mean every so slightly tiny bit smaller) than he was when he competed in his 30’s. Instead of wasting years and years of lifting getting absolutely nowhere, Geir spent his 20’s and 30’s eating huge amounts of food and training with heavy heavy weights so that he could walk around all thru his 30’s, 40’s and now 50 years old jacked to the hilt. Not many people have a better front double biceps than Geir no matter what age they are…here he is (edited so mods dont delete)

What Im hoping to relay to you slackers and dreamers that are in this forum is that you have to put your time in and pay your dues in this sport. Your 2-3lbs gain a year arent going to get it done so unless you want to get to 55 years old and look back and think “wow besides the people I told and myself, noone even knew I was a bodybuilder and I never made it”…you better get your ass in gear and your head on right and get this done now. Gaining fat is easy but if you never lifted how long would it take for you to gain 80lbs of fat from 175 to 255lbs? Probably a year and you would have to forcefeed yourself to get there. Just think how long it takes to put on 80lbs of muscle mass which is an extremely “hard to come by” commodity. This sport is about extremes–using weights you havent used previously, taking in amounts of food to build greater muscle mass-in amounts you never have done previously, and GETTING THE CARDIO DONE to keep you at an acceptable offseason training bodyfat that keeps you happy. Get your act together and think this all out or quit your complaining and dreaming and take up tennis.

Pull ups:
Bwx8,
+15x8,
+25x8,
+35x8,
+45x8,
+55x6, (20sec rest after the +55)
+35x6,
+20x6,
bwx6

BB row: (precede each set by mini band straight arm pulldown with good hard peak contractions.)
135x10
185x8.
225x6
275x4x12 1x11
225x1x10

DB row:
100x2x10 (dead stop)
100x27 (kroc-ish row)

Medium wide grip lean back pulldown:
132x12,12,11
156x8(looser form)
108x8 (1.5 reps last set)

Reverse neutral seated pulldown:
132x10,10,19
108x2x8 (1.5reps)

Seated neutral cable row:
180x12,12,11
144x2x8 (1.5 reps )

Stretcher: 96x 6 sets 30sec rest

Weighted hang +70x80sec

Rope hammer curl/KB bottoms up curl: 5 sets

Incline DB curl long stretch: 3 sets

Extreme bicep strech.

Walk 20min

Wow yet another amazing back workout. Back was pumped top to bottom. High volume yep but still reps increasing on many exercises. Really focus on squeezing. The dead stop rows are squeezed same with the rest after the non dead stop rows. BB rows are feeling amazing. Mostly lower lats working and the bands really help get an even better feeling. Very happy with this workout.
Had 1.5kg of rice. 6dry oz of oatmeal. 1 monster bowl of cereal eaten dry. And to top off the night 1lb of greek yogurt (had to eat it. It expired on the 6th but I refuse to throw it away too expensive) with protein powser and peanut flour. Topped it with some more cereal for crunch.

What’s up man, nice progress, those shoulders are looking round and vascualar as hell.

Just wanted to let you know I’m definitely interested in following this log, so I’m in.

Also, since you follow CBL I assume you are familiar with Kiefer’s work.

Also, quoting you:

"Stollen from Vtballa

"But I have a very “Blast” mentality, as Tate would say. If I’m going to diet, I’m going to take fat burners, cut out all my carbs, eat clean, do cardio and annihalte the fat. If I am gaining, Im going to eat everything I can get my hands on. I’ve never understood the philosophy of “easing into it”, like saving cardio for when your fat loss slows down. By that point, you have just wasted all the time you could have been doing cardio in the first place and made more progress! "

Sums up my psychology to and thought process to a T"

I’m on the same page man. Its either 110% or nothing at all. whether it be in the gym, schoolwork, etc. Literally have to force myself to leave the gym sometimes. And last year in an attempt to shred up, I actually cut carbs and cals WAY too quickly and drove myself in the ground because I wanted to be rid of the bodyfat so quickly (and was too stubborn to “ease up” my dieting). I also have that logical application to everything I do; I often find myself analyzing things in a scientific manner when it is clearly not mecessary to get that analytical.

I also feel like I can make great sense of things in my head, but communicating that idea in an easy-to-understand way for everybody else is somewhat difficult, sometimes I feel like I perceive and analyze differently than everyone else lol. So you’re not alone in those aspects.

As for constructive help for gaining weight…you obviosuly know your body well and what it responds to. To be honest, a guy with a metabolism like yours would probably do better eating around 800g carbs a night, and honestly from “shitty” foods. I understand that you have a mental barrier against gaining fat, but from my own personal experience I have found it almost impossible to gain fat when back-loading. I’ve literally let myself binge several nights during the semester, and not even clean carbs. Im talking pizza, hot dogs, cereal, ice cream, poptarts and probably more, all in one night. Sure, I’d wake up and feel a bit bloated and look watery, but my metabolism is not NEARLY as fast as yours and I have yet to gain fat while on this program.

So a few comment after reading through this log

[quote]frauls5015 wrote:
What’s up man, nice progress, those shoulders are looking round and vascualar as hell.

Just wanted to let you know I’m definitely interested in following this log, so I’m in.

Also, since you follow CBL I assume you are familiar with Kiefer’s work.

Also, quoting you:

"Stollen from Vtballa

"But I have a very “Blast” mentality, as Tate would say. If I’m going to diet, I’m going to take fat burners, cut out all my carbs, eat clean, do cardio and annihalte the fat. If I am gaining, Im going to eat everything I can get my hands on. I’ve never understood the philosophy of “easing into it”, like saving cardio for when your fat loss slows down. By that point, you have just wasted all the time you could have been doing cardio in the first place and made more progress! "

Sums up my psychology to and thought process to a T"

I’m on the same page man. Its either 110% or nothing at all. whether it be in the gym, schoolwork, etc. Literally have to force myself to leave the gym sometimes. And last year in an attempt to shred up, I actually cut carbs and cals WAY too quickly and drove myself in the ground because I wanted to be rid of the bodyfat so quickly (and was too stubborn to “ease up” my dieting). I also have that logical application to everything I do; I often find myself analyzing things in a scientific manner when it is clearly not mecessary to get that analytical.

I also feel like I can make great sense of things in my head, but communicating that idea in an easy-to-understand way for everybody else is somewhat difficult, sometimes I feel like I perceive and analyze differently than everyone else lol. So you’re not alone in those aspects.

As for constructive help for gaining weight…you obviosuly know your body well and what it responds to. To be honest, a guy with a metabolism like yours would probably do better eating around 800g carbs a night, and honestly from “shitty” foods. I understand that you have a mental barrier against gaining fat, but from my own personal experience I have found it almost impossible to gain fat when back-loading. I’ve literally let myself binge several nights during the semester, and not even clean carbs. Im talking pizza, hot dogs, cereal, ice cream, poptarts and probably more, all in one night. Sure, I’d wake up and feel a bit bloated and look watery, but my metabolism is not NEARLY as fast as yours and I have yet to gain fat while on this program.

So a few comment after reading through this log[/quote]

Hey thanks for stopping by.

I saw the link befoer the mods removed it, but yes i am familiar with it. I need to do some more reading and digging into his latest articles. I have seen a lot of studies that go agaisnt some of what he is saying. In the grand scheme of things it doesnt make sense in my head that small fasts of under 24 hours and greater than 12 hours would start eating away at muscle unless you are very close or over your genetic potential. That makes no evolutionary sense. If muscle was eaten away that fast early man would have really struggled because they were not getting food in that often all the time. But his research is always interesting.

Edit: Also i think the benefit of fasting with some fasted LISS is hard to beat in terms of either keeping BF in check or lowering BF even while gaining. Do some stretching or mobility work and you have a great warm up workout prior to the real deal. Also fasted LISS has some other very good health benefits including a good increase in insulin sensitivity.

Apprecaite all the comments. CBL is awesome in terms of handling carbs and just pounding them down with very few ill consequences. Its been a lot of fun and so easy. Dieting with this method will be such a breeze when it comes to that.

Right, completely forgot I’m not allowed to do that…my bad

I agree with you when it comes to the evolutionary perspective. Humans would have had a very hard times surviving without those protective mechanisms. However, he specifically speaks about fast twitch muscle fibers being “autophaged” which to me makes a lot of evolutionary sense. These fast twitch fibers are what gets your metabolic rate really jacked up (especially when doing lots of explosive lifting like CT’s protocols). From an evolutionary standpoint, this also makes sense… a jacked up metabolic rate in very early humans would not have been beneficial to survival at all. So even if you do not lose much muscle mass, you will lose those fast twitch fibers which are the most growth prone and are what we all work so hard to hypertrophy.

I am sure you understand this but this is what I think of when doing extended fasts. Thanks for the input tho, always interested in others ideas.

[quote]frauls5015 wrote:
Right, completely forgot I’m not allowed to do that…my bad

I agree with you when it comes to the evolutionary perspective. Humans would have had a very hard times surviving without those protective mechanisms. However, he specifically speaks about fast twitch muscle fibers being “autophaged” which to me makes a lot of evolutionary sense. These fast twitch fibers are what gets your metabolic rate really jacked up (especially when doing lots of explosive lifting like CT’s protocols). From an evolutionary standpoint, this also makes sense… a jacked up metabolic rate in very early humans would not have been beneficial to survival at all. So even if you do not lose much muscle mass, you will lose those fast twitch fibers which are the most growth prone and are what we all work so hard to hypertrophy.

I am sure you understand this but this is what I think of when doing extended fasts. Thanks for the input tho, always interested in others ideas.[/quote]

My only argument against that is we needed the fast twitch fibers to be able to chase down food. If those were getting degraded then we would have a much harder time getting meat unless we scavenged. The harder it was to get food the more fasting it turns into a nasty cycle. But maybe my thinking is off.

Floor press:
135x10,
145x3
155x3
165x3
175x3
185x5
205x5
225x5
245x5
255x5
265x5x1 3+2+1

DB flat press:
100x4x8 1x7

30* incline twist press:
80x5x8

15* power fly:
60x1x9 3x8 1x7 (held strech for 1-2sec)

High to low cable x-over (wrist broke back touch heels of hand together held squeeze for 1-2 sec on most reps. 20-30sec rest: 60x10,10,10,10,9,9,8,8,7

Extreme strech

Presdown/Dip:
156/+45x 10/11, 10/10, 10/10, 10/9, 9/9

Light band cordova press down/Overhead Cable extension: Light/108x3 sets max reps

Good workout. Floor press was good. My set of 255 wasn?t the best but I didn?t get a good setup. Same with a couple of the first singles in the cluster. Great setup for the set of 3 which was very strong. The set of 2 was good in that rest pause as well. No way I could of done that last week. Reps and sets increase through the rest of the workout which is always good being able to increase reps even deeper into the workout when the volume was increase in the prior exercises.

Food was pretty boring last night. Same thing basically as the night before. Tons of rice. 3english muffins with FF cream cheese. 1.5lbs of meat. And some dessert of FFGY and FF cottage cheese which chocolate pro powder topped with some cereal

Ryan, I know you have done some research on nutrition timing and I remember reading the conversation you had with John and Bill on protein synthesis/peri-workout nutrition. Would it be best to have most of your carbs around training/after training when focusing on muscle gain/keeping insulin in check?

I train early so what I was thinking is:

4:20 AM wake up: carbs-30g
protein-45g

5-6 AM train: carbs-45g
protein-30g

7:30 AM: carbs-250g
protein-60g

Rest of the day is protein, fat and veggies.

I take in around 300g of carbs may bump it up a bit. Would this be a good protocol to keep insulin in check? Any recommendations?

Hello my name is Jenn and I creep your log.

Can you tell me what you think of my own made up version of backloading, Lol.

So I get up at like 5:52am and I have breakfast which is like eggs and some type of meaty and or bacony type thing.
THen I workout (I am doing the smolov thing right now)

Then when i come home I have a shitton of carbs. Like the biggest bowl of cereal in the world and whatnot.

THen At dinner I have meat+veggies

I have only been doing this for like 3 or 4 days and I actually feel a little stronger during my workouts (could be in my head) and I lost like a pound. I DUNNO. I mean I like it so far, but is it kinda close to the backload concept?

[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:

[quote]frauls5015 wrote:
Right, completely forgot I’m not allowed to do that…my bad

I agree with you when it comes to the evolutionary perspective. Humans would have had a very hard times surviving without those protective mechanisms. However, he specifically speaks about fast twitch muscle fibers being “autophaged” which to me makes a lot of evolutionary sense. These fast twitch fibers are what gets your metabolic rate really jacked up (especially when doing lots of explosive lifting like CT’s protocols). From an evolutionary standpoint, this also makes sense… a jacked up metabolic rate in very early humans would not have been beneficial to survival at all. So even if you do not lose much muscle mass, you will lose those fast twitch fibers which are the most growth prone and are what we all work so hard to hypertrophy.

I am sure you understand this but this is what I think of when doing extended fasts. Thanks for the input tho, always interested in others ideas.[/quote]

My only argument against that is we needed the fast twitch fibers to be able to chase down food. If those were getting degraded then we would have a much harder time getting meat unless we scavenged. The harder it was to get food the more fasting it turns into a nasty cycle. But maybe my thinking is off.[/quote]

No your thinking is right on there. That is a valid argument and perhaps more research is needed to answer this. I guess the only argument I can think of is that prolonged fasting increases the release of epinephrine which may have helped us in those times of serious danger or hunting. Maybe this type of autophagy is specific to the Type IIb “fast glyolytic” fibers, the ones that are necessary for MAX force production (and therefore fatigue very easily) which would only be necessary for maybe a few seconds, if that. And therefore the Type IIa “fast oxidative” would be more heavily recruited (and the increased adrenaline would allow more substrates such as ketones to be burned quickly in times of deprivation). I am just speculating here but I really enjoy debates such as these, let me know if it becomes a bit excessive lol.

[quote]xXSeraphimXx wrote:
Ryan, I know you have done some research on nutrition timing and I remember reading the conversation you had with John and Bill on protein synthesis/peri-workout nutrition. Would it be best to have most of your carbs around training/after training when focusing on muscle gain/keeping insulin in check?

I train early so what I was thinking is:

4:20 AM wake up: carbs-30g
protein-45g

5-6 AM train: carbs-45g
protein-30g

7:30 AM: carbs-250g
protein-60g

Rest of the day is protein, fat and veggies.

I take in around 300g of carbs may bump it up a bit. Would this be a good protocol to keep insulin in check? Any recommendations?
[/quote]

that is certainly one way to do it. And i think it will help with body fat gain (keeping that minimal) while gaining. So keeping most of your carbs in a small window around training is perfect.

[quote]Spock81 wrote:
Hello my name is Jenn and I creep your log.

Can you tell me what you think of my own made up version of backloading, Lol.

So I get up at like 5:52am and I have breakfast which is like eggs and some type of meaty and or bacony type thing.
THen I workout (I am doing the smolov thing right now)

Then when i come home I have a shitton of carbs. Like the biggest bowl of cereal in the world and whatnot.

THen At dinner I have meat+veggies

I have only been doing this for like 3 or 4 days and I actually feel a little stronger during my workouts (could be in my head) and I lost like a pound. I DUNNO. I mean I like it so far, but is it kinda close to the backload concept?[/quote]

Can it you lay out your schedule with times? Right now it sounds like to me you are doing a mid morning workout and having carbs after? If that is the case that is really not back loading :slight_smile:

Backloading is keeping to Pro and fat until nighttime like 6 or later. And then loading up on carbs. The best workout time for CBL is 4 or 5 depending on how long it is. Then you would get home and pound the carbs.

[quote]frauls5015 wrote:

[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:

[quote]frauls5015 wrote:
Right, completely forgot I’m not allowed to do that…my bad

I agree with you when it comes to the evolutionary perspective. Humans would have had a very hard times surviving without those protective mechanisms. However, he specifically speaks about fast twitch muscle fibers being “autophaged” which to me makes a lot of evolutionary sense. These fast twitch fibers are what gets your metabolic rate really jacked up (especially when doing lots of explosive lifting like CT’s protocols). From an evolutionary standpoint, this also makes sense… a jacked up metabolic rate in very early humans would not have been beneficial to survival at all. So even if you do not lose much muscle mass, you will lose those fast twitch fibers which are the most growth prone and are what we all work so hard to hypertrophy.

I am sure you understand this but this is what I think of when doing extended fasts. Thanks for the input tho, always interested in others ideas.[/quote]

My only argument against that is we needed the fast twitch fibers to be able to chase down food. If those were getting degraded then we would have a much harder time getting meat unless we scavenged. The harder it was to get food the more fasting it turns into a nasty cycle. But maybe my thinking is off.[/quote]

No your thinking is right on there. That is a valid argument and perhaps more research is needed to answer this. I guess the only argument I can think of is that prolonged fasting increases the release of epinephrine which may have helped us in those times of serious danger or hunting. Maybe this type of autophagy is specific to the Type IIb “fast glyolytic” fibers, the ones that are necessary for MAX force production (and therefore fatigue very easily) which would only be necessary for maybe a few seconds, if that. And therefore the Type IIa “fast oxidative” would be more heavily recruited (and the increased adrenaline would allow more substrates such as ketones to be burned quickly in times of deprivation). I am just speculating here but I really enjoy debates such as these, let me know if it becomes a bit excessive lol.[/quote]

Agreed that more research would be needed to realy hammer out the details of what is happeneing. From what I saw from what keifer posted the research is just not there and this is a lot of new information coming to light right now.

I really like the discusisons. So i am always down to discuss and leanr more. I think its one of the best ways to learn.

5/13/12 Deadlifts

Deadlift:
135x10
185x8,
225x6,
275x4,
295x5,
315x5,
365x5
405x5,
425x5x1, 2+2+1, 3+2+1

RDL: 315x3x10 2x9 275x9

TB dead stop RDL: 235x5x8 (explosive)

Hamstring curl: 2x20 DB forced SDL stretch after each set

Spring/Weighted carry/Ab. 4 rounds

Later in the day Dead sotp RDL explosive: 235x3x8

TBD275x3x6

Great workout. The 425 at the end of the DLs was a rep PR. Happy with that considering how deep into the DL volume i was by then. Reps were just getting strong as they have been when using that mixed cluster set scheme. Pretty cool to have that happen. Do more reps with the same weight but just as strong. RDls were good. Lower back always gives out first but still able to increase the reps. The dead stop RDLs just rape the whole posterior chain. They are amazing. Highly recomend.

Huge backload tonight 800g of carbs. Come at me

Yeah I typically workout from around 8:30- 10:15ish in the morning. It’s really the only time I can train. I figured if I had my carbs right after my workout it would make me less fat than if I had them like 7 or 8 hours after my workout.

[quote]Spock81 wrote:
Yeah I typically workout from around 8:30- 10:15ish in the morning. It’s really the only time I can train. I figured if I had my carbs right after my workout it would make me less fat than if I had them like 7 or 8 hours after my workout. [/quote]

Depends on what you want to do…What are you goals? Whats your training split and program/volume look like?

Keeping carbs around the workout period only is a very good way to help mitagate extra fat gain. So that apporach is good. But since you are training in the am and have carbs right after that is technicaly not CBL :). That approach will certainly work though.

The premace of CBL is to have carbs when only your muscles are sensitive to glucose and not fat. Fat and muscle are both ready to absorb glucose in the morning but both become less sensitive as the day progresses. The way to make muscle more sensitive at night is to workout and deplete glycogen and cause glut 4 translocation. This way when you load carbs at night fat cells wont absorb as much and muscles will get the majority of it and a bunch will be burned off in thermogensis.

5/14/12 Arms/reardelts

Dips:
Bw x 15
+30x10
+45x8
+60x6
+80x10,10,11
+70x2x11 drop BW x12

Ez Curl (sliver bar)
+30x10
+50x10
+70x10
+90x2x8 1x7 (back off sets) 2x6 drop +70x8 drop +50x8

Abs 4 rounds of a quad set. 2min elyptical in between

Rear delt swing/rear delt DB flies
45/20x 47/10, 45/10, 38/10, 35/9

Rope press down apart/DB Alt curl:
9/45 x 2x10/11, 10/10, 10/9

Incline overhead ext/ DB cross body: 3 sets 13-14/9

Overhead rope ext: 4x9-11

Preacher machin curl: 7x8-10 +20lbs x 5 (30 sec rest between all sets Extreme bicep stretch after

Vbar pressdown: 7x8-10 +20lbs x6 (same as above. Tricep stretch)

Unbelievable pump. No idea where it came from but it was actually quite painful. Dips and ez curls had me in almost too much pain to continue doing my sets. I waited for my lifting BFF so I switched and did abs and rear delts so I could continue my arm workout when he arrived. I have never had/seen a rear delt pump but I did today. My rear delt was raised and extra couple inches. Painful and cool. The rest of the workout still had skin splitting pumps but the pain was manageable. Might be from the 800g of carbs the night prior. Dunno

Gonna have to get some pictures up and get an eval from anyone that is following this.

My god, thanks for that article from Dante. Good stuff.