RWU Calls for Exploration of a 3rd Party

[NickViar]

Then, once the incentive to work no longer exists, the new bosses can provide a new incentive: being allowed to continue breathing.

[castoli711]

@SkyzykS

It gives every shareholder a vote in the direction of the company per share owned.

Exactly. Your voice is governed by the number of stocks you own. Own 10k and you have ten thousand votes. You have 5 shares, you get 5 votes. Hardly democratic.

[castoli711]

@NickViar

“Bruh, I’m looking to make decisions with someone else’s money

Is this the way decisions ought to be made? Not very democratic. Or are you against the very thing we claim to try and bring to other countries?

[castoli711]

@SkyzykS

I think it eventually made for a sweet deal for General Dynamics or somebody, because that place wasn’t worth a shit once the employees got done owning it.

Is this the case for the majority of worker-owned corporations?

[castoli711]

So you don’t have to join a worker co-op.

[castoli711]

@Alrightmiami19c

Just the the workers. Execs still get all the cushy jobs and kickbacks they can get.

True. Democrats are just another corporate party like the Republicans.

[NickViar]

I think you missed your own joke. Even though it wasn’t as good as the one your mother played on mankind, it was still funny.

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@castoli711

Is this the way decisions ought to be made?

No.

@castoli711

Not very democratic.

Okay.

@castoli711

Or are you against the very thing we claim to try and bring to other countries?

I’m not part of that “we.”

[castoli711]

@Alrightmiami19c

Collectivism failed them

In regard to the railroad workers, how can they collectively bargain when their ability to strike has been squashed by the “friend of the worker” Jim Crow Joe Biden and the corporatist politicians in both parties?

[SkyzykS]

@castoli711

Exactly. Your voice is governed by the number of stocks you own.

Dude, that is as fair as anything could possibly be.

Your voice is exactly proportional to your investment.

When you factor in annual stock awards its a great incentive to stay long term.

What are your thoughts on Home Depots practice of doing this? I mean, you have people that have been working there for 10 or 15 years making a modest hourly, but all told doing Very well.

These things are cumulative.

[castoli711]

@NickViar

I’m not part of that “we

Glad to see you’re against American imperialism.

[castoli711]

@SkyzykS

Dude, that is as fair as anything could possibly be.

Your voice is exactly proportional to your investment.

So do you deny that things are done to create a lopsided wealth distribution?

When a concentration of wealth is under way power tends to accumulate and crowd-out.

[SkyzykS]

@castoli711

So do you deny that things are done to create a lopsided wealth distribution?

Don’t try to put words in my mouth.

I would never deny that. I know this as a fact intimately. I just don’t let it stop me.

[castoli711]

@SkyzykS

Don’t try to put words in my mouth.

I would never deny that

Then what you previously posted is not fair. Concentration of wealth has it’s consequences and they aren’t good.

[SkyzykS]

@castoli711

Then what you previously posted is not fair.

You cant just declare something unfair.

My position is “People who stay long term are rewarded with ownership priveleges for their effort. That gives them a vested interest in the long term function and profitability of the company.”.

Now give me your response with something slightly more substantial than “Thats not fair.”.

[castoli711]

@SkyzykS

“People who stay long term are rewarded with ownership priveleges for their effort. That gives them a vested interest in the long term function and profitability of the company.”.

And what about the concentration of wealth and power? Why are the effects discounted in your gullible statement?

[Alrightmiami19c]

@castoli711

True. Democrats are just another corporate party like the Republicans

Yes.

[Alrightmiami19c]

@castoli711

their ability to strike has been squashed by the “friend of the worker” Jim Crow Joe Biden and the corporatist politicians in both parties?

Bullshit. Their ability to strike consequence free is gone. They can always strike. Just gotta “nut up or shut up.”

[SkyzykS]

@castoli711

Why are the effects discounted in your gullible statement?

Because it accumulates in the posession of the people who are creating it.

So it seems that, according to you, employee ownership is bad. Private ownership is also bad, and virtually anything can be declared unfair or also bad arbitrarily.

Am I following you so far?

[twojarslave]

I’m happily employed at a successful ESOP, which is the closest thing to workers “seizing the means of production” that is sustainable without government subsidies or outright authoritarianism.

If anything, the basic principles of economics and free market forces apply even more at an ESOP. Employee-shareholders are a double-edged sword, especially when they aren’t fully vested, and ESPECIALLY when they’re fully vested and sitting on six figures of stock. A few bad apples can sink the whole ship really fast in a small to mid-sized business, which means you can’t treat every person you hire as an “owner” of the company. The employer/employee dynamic still exists, and for very good reason.

No matter what, you still need the same leadership tier of “employee-owners” to ensure the success of the business, because if the other “employee-owners” were all authorized to spend money, make hiring/firing/promoting decisions, set day-to-day priorities and evaluate their own performance, you won’t be part of a successful ESOP for much longer.

You can shout your communism from the highest rooftops if you want, but you can’t outrun the reality of human nature.

[castoli711]

I’m hoping for a wildcat strike. And what consequences have the owners felt? Nothing as the corporate Congress and corporate President have once again sided with money and power. They can make record profits and deny the workers sick pay. Fuck them! Greedy assholes. American late-stage capitalism is a thing to worship.