Russian President

[Big_Boss]

[quote]pushharder wrote:
This is a clear cut “Whatcha gonna do 'bout it” move if I ever saw one. My prediction is Bama aint got the balls. Our boy Bama is a sweet talkin’, Oprah huggin loverboy who will cluelessly have to deal with old line Soviet hard liners.

By the way, on a different subject, if anyone is naive enough to think that there is no one in Russia who’d be willing to trade some nukes for some Arab dollars or Euros, they’re clueless as well.[/quote]

I agree on the first statement…but I beg to differ about Obama. I was actually thinking about your last point…hence this pic.

[Big_Boss]

[quote]pushharder wrote:
Big_Boss wrote:
pushharder wrote:
This is a clear cut “Whatcha gonna do 'bout it” move if I ever saw one. My prediction is Bama aint got the balls. Our boy Bama is a sweet talkin’, Oprah huggin loverboy who will cluelessly have to deal with old line Soviet hard liners.

By the way, on a different subject, if anyone is naive enough to think that there is no one in Russia who’d be willing to trade some nukes for some Arab dollars or Euros, they’re clueless as well.

I agree on the first statement…but I beg to differ about Obama. I was actually thinking about your last point…hence this pic.

Think they are gesturing and smiling at a map of Texas and it’s petroleum related infrastructure?

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Ya know…I met two Russian guys when I was back home in Rusk County…said they were taking a trip down 59 to Baytown…they ate at my mom’s restaurant.

[Big_Boss]

This thread has given me the urge for some Call of Duty 4…good nite…

[Headhunter]

[quote]snipeout wrote:
vroom wrote:
Obama will have to wait until he is no longer president elect before this is his problem.

It’s certainly not GWB’s problem. He is what you call a lame duck now. Putin doesn’t fear him because he is just waiting to leave office. I find it more than coincidental that Putin waited until 2 days after Obama was elected to leak this.

Say what you want about Bush, the world may not have liked him but they damn sure respected(feared)him.[/quote]

Putin released an opening ‘salvo’, to see how the naif would react. Since he got no reaction, he will do something next time to get a reaction, like invade Ukraine.

[Headhunter]

[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
GDollars37 wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
GDollars37 wrote:
Sloth wrote:
Big_Boss wrote:
While everyone is busy arguing mute points about the election…why no “fear mongering” over this?

Russia greets Obama with first foreign policy test:

Russia Gives Obama Brisk Warning

Well, I’ll give Obama credit if he doesn’t go poking at the bear with a stick. Forget the missile defense. Let’s back off, and everyone take a deep breath.

Wise words.

Might as well start the war today then.

And what war would that be?

The one that is sure to occur of Obama rolls over for this.

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Belarus, Ukraine, Latvia, Estonia,…if you live there, be afraid. Be very afraid.

The Bear is growling and a Chicago southside charlatan is at our helm soon.

Maybe Pastor Wright can calm the waters.

LMAO!!

[Headhunter]

[quote]pushharder wrote:

I’ve worked in Baytown FWIW. Got stiffed by the general contractor (I was a sub) for all the work I and my employees did for him. Have a lawsuit against him now, the dirty, crooked cocksucker.[/quote]

I thought this was about Rezco until I read the quote.

[Zap_Branigan]

[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
GDollars37 wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
GDollars37 wrote:
Sloth wrote:
Big_Boss wrote:
While everyone is busy arguing mute points about the election…why no “fear mongering” over this?

Russia greets Obama with first foreign policy test:

Russia Gives Obama Brisk Warning

Well, I’ll give Obama credit if he doesn’t go poking at the bear with a stick. Forget the missile defense. Let’s back off, and everyone take a deep breath.

Wise words.

Might as well start the war today then.

And what war would that be?

The one that is sure to occur of Obama rolls over for this.

Belarus, Ukraine, Latvia, Estonia,…if you live there, be afraid. Be very afraid.

The Bear is growling and a Chicago southside charlatan is at our helm soon.

Maybe Pastor Wright can calm the waters.

LMAO!!

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It is pretty scary stuff. Obama can stand firm and keep the peace or he can cave in and set a horrible precedent.

Wars start because tyrants think they can get away with being aggressive. Mixed signals from the WH were key in the start of the Korean War and Iraq’s invasion of Kuwait.

[hedo]

Everyone will challenge Obama. It ia part of the consequences of electing a young president with no experience.

If voters didn’t think this would happen they are naive and were simply kidding themselves.

Russia is the first. Depending on how he deals with them others will follow. Iran, NK, certainly China has a few things to try.

Now is actually the right time to test him. Transitioning from one administration to the next. The new administration being percieved as defeatists and post just about everything. Russia and China are licking their chops.

Time will tell. Kennedy was weak when he first met with the Russians. The Cuban missle crisis followed. Obama is percieved as far weaker then Kennedy. A crisis will come, likely several, in rapid order. I hope Obama handles them well. I’m not optomistic based on his resume, but how he handles them will affect millions of people.

Biden told you he would be tested. Didn’t anybody listen?

[Zap_Branigan]

History is very clear that he must be strong and not back down, he must denounce Russian aggression and threats and point out that missile defense is for defense only.

This is an opportunity for him to be strong I hope he seizes it.

[Sloth]

Why shouldn’t he back down? Why in the world do we need another missile crisis, everyone getting frightened, until calmer heads prevail and missiles/missile defenses are withdrawn? What the hell is the point? Because someone here really thinks if we don’t beat our chest right in the Russians’ face, they’ll invade us sometime in the near future? With what?

[Zap_Branigan]

Failure to stand firm will encourage rogue countries the world over to act.

It may be Russian tanks rolling in the Ukraine or it may be N. Korea.

You may not understand the strategic implications but I assure you bad things will happen and America won’t sit them out.

[Sloth]

[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Failure to stand firm will encourage rogue countries the world over to act.

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I bet they see our actions in the same light. They have to stand firm. Then we get into another missile crisis, neither side backing down, other nations in the region yelling at us and them to stop the penis waving contest, and missiles/missile defense on both sides will be withdrawn to cool down the heated situation, leading us back to square one. How about stop putting ourselves into dangerous positions where we have to stand firm for no other reason than to save face?

[Sloth]

[quote]pushharder wrote:
Sloth wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Failure to stand firm will encourage rogue countries the world over to act.

I bet they see our actions in the same light. They have to stand firm. Then we get into another missile crisis, neither side backing down, other nations in the region yelling at us and them to stop the penis waving contest, and missiles/missile defense on both sides will be withdrawn to cool down the heated situation, leading us back to square one. How about stop putting ourselves into dangerous positions where we have to stand firm for no other reason than to save face?

What is your solution? Be specific.[/quote]

Don’t place missile defense in a location that excites the Russian Regime’s own fears? Why are we placing ourselves between Iran/Russian and Europe. Europe can siphon money off it’s welfare programs if it needs the extra defense. We don’t need to play Paladin all over the world, looking for monsters to slay, and getting ourselves into tense situations where then we supposedly can never backdown. Secure OUR borders, and give the American people thier peace dividend. It’s long overdue.

[Zap_Branigan]

[quote]Sloth wrote:
pushharder wrote:
Sloth wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Failure to stand firm will encourage rogue countries the world over to act.

I bet they see our actions in the same light. They have to stand firm. Then we get into another missile crisis, neither side backing down, other nations in the region yelling at us and them to stop the penis waving contest, and missiles/missile defense on both sides will be withdrawn to cool down the heated situation, leading us back to square one. How about stop putting ourselves into dangerous positions where we have to stand firm for no other reason than to save face?

What is your solution? Be specific.

Don’t place missile defense in a location that excites the Russian Regime’s own fears? Why are we placing ourselves between Iran/Russian and Europe. Europe can siphon money off it’s welfare programs if it needs the extra defense. We don’t need to play Paladin all over the world, looking for monsters to slay, and getting ourselves into tense situations where then we supposedly can never backdown. Secure OUR borders, and give the American people thier peace dividend. It’s long overdue.[/quote]

That philosophy went out hundreds of years ago. Countries that try to hide behind their own borders get squashed.

[Sloth]

[quote]pushharder wrote:
Sloth wrote:
pushharder wrote:
Sloth wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Failure to stand firm will encourage rogue countries the world over to act.

I bet they see our actions in the same light. They have to stand firm. Then we get into another missile crisis, neither side backing down, other nations in the region yelling at us and them to stop the penis waving contest, and missiles/missile defense on both sides will be withdrawn to cool down the heated situation, leading us back to square one.

How about stop putting ourselves into dangerous positions where we have to stand firm for no other reason than to save face?

What is your solution? Be specific.

Don’t place missile defense in a location that excites the Russian Regime’s own fears? Why are we placing ourselves between Iran/Russian and Europe.

Europe can siphon money off it’s welfare programs if it needs the extra defense. We don’t need to play Paladin all over the world, looking for monsters to slay, and getting ourselves into tense situations where then we supposedly can never backdown. Secure OUR borders, and give the American people thier peace dividend. It’s long overdue.

So your specific solution is to immediately, in the face of the Russian threat, scrap our missile defense plan in eastern Europe? To directly submit to Russia’s threat? To back down pronto in the face of the bear and run?

If you did not mean precisely the above then you need to be more specific with your answer.[/quote]

Yes, actually that is what I’m suggesting. Who do you and I owe our loyalty to? Easteran Europeans? What is the purpose of an American taxpayer funded US military? To place missile defense in Eastern Europe? To risk a confrontation with Russia on their behalf? Huh?

We wouldn’t have to back down in the future, if we’d stop placing ourselves into situations where we KNOW there’ll be a dramatic escalation in tensions. Or we could stretch ourselves so thin, commit to so many possible-maybe wars, that we can’t even defeat a third world Taliban in a country that actually harbored Bin Laden.