I have no idea if this war in Ukraine is good for the current US administration, but it’s certainly good for the military industrial complex. They get to sell a shitload of weapons to Europe, and maybe get a couple new NATO members too. Must be a pretty penny to be made. And if Russian gas is out, I guess US LNG is in. All of Europe is united behind the US again, I’m just supposed to think it’s a coincidence or due to incompetence that Biden rolled out the red carpet for a Russian invasion? I don’t know.
I’ll be holding onto that one for future use.
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I’m quite certain you actually do know. 
To believe all of that, you also have to believe the Putin colluded with Biden to wage this war.
So Putin colluded with Biden in a sophisticated series of actions leading up to this war which jeopardizes Russias position as a world power, disrupts their economy, and tilts the rest of the first world firmly against Russia backed by hard power mechanisms of defense.
Is that what you’re telling us?
Cuz thats what it looks like you’re telling us.
I’m not suggesting there was any collusion, just that all the signals from the Biden administration were so weak that it seemed like they wanted Russia to go ahead and invade. Loppar here says it’s due to simple incompetence on the part of the administration, but I guess I don’t buy it.
But when you look at these things symetrically then there must be. If this=that then that=this.
If Putin did all of these things based on signals from Biden so that the US would benefit tremendously and Russia would suffer with equal proportion to our benefit, they must I mean REALLY MUST have planned this out ahead of time.
Who knew Putin was such a bent over bitch?
What a bluff!
All this time we thought Putin was making Biden his bitch, and it turns out that it was the other way around.
Man. I didnt see that coming.
Or more realistically Putin just cant keep his hand out of other countries cookie jars, and Biden is a vacant puppet.
You lost me. I don’t see how all that follows.
Russia amassed troops on the border, and the US obviously had good intelligence on what was going on. So they decide how to handle it. As has been pointed out in this thread before, the strategy from the Obama era was to let Russia get bogged down for years fighting an insurgency in Ukraine (if they invaded). Maybe they came to the conclusion that it would benefit the US at this time if Russia did invade. Of course I’m just speculating.
There is more to an administration than the figurehead. However vacant Biden is, someone pulls his strings and changes his diapers and programs his teleprompter.
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Ive been waiting this whole thread to see you lay even an Iota of culpability at Russias feet, and you finally did.
Was that so hard?
Russia’s culpability is so obvious I didn’t think it had to be said.
Its always a good idea when blaming literally everybody else, to at least acknowledge that their actions are in response to russian agression rather than what precipitated it.
“Rolled out the red carpet” 
Like, what choice did Russia have than to drive battalions of tanks over civillians after that?
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I detest the propaganda on all sides, but particularly from ourselves. If our cause is so damn just, then the truth should be sufficient. But no, we get these idiotic stories of minor Ukrainian victories, and disheveled, confused, apparently stupid Russian soldiers be stuck or having their tanks blown up. Then Russia shells this, takes over that, levels this city or that. Which is it? They cannot both be winning and losing at the same time.
Meanwhile, our border is wide open. Any Russian spy who wants to can just trot across the border at will.
I would hazard to guess, this has been happening. I mean, if the situation were reversed wouldn’t you do it? Hell, they can just march a battalion or several across and calmly setup up and await orders. Not only that, we’ll give them a free plane ride and room and board at the target of their choosing, because equity.
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This isn’t a schoolyard tussle we’re talking about. I don’t think questions of right and wrong are even relevant to what happens on the world stage any more. There just seems to be naked self interest and lust for power.
You want me to say that it’s wrong for Russians to invade a country and murder civilians? It is.
Do I think all those murdered children even figures into the decision making of other great powers? No.
“ Like, what choice did Russia have than to drive battalions of tanks over civillians after that?”
You’re having some kind of argument in your head that is not with anything I have said.
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Well, I guess I got to say it. Loppar is right. Look at Afghanistan withdrawal, if that doesn’t signal incompetence nothing does. I said at the time we would reap the hell that show of weakness perpetuated and I think we are starting to feel it a little. And there was no inquiry, no panel as to what went wrong, not even a question.
Actually there was a question and the guy who asked it was sent to jail. Putin is not the only one jailing and silencing his critics and detractors with the force of the government.
It does. Zelensky’s speech to our government gave them a vehicle to show their “benevolence” and assuage their egos, which they did by sprinkling military grade pixie dust on Ukraine.
You did not say this?
He rolled out the red carpet for russian invasion?
Thats your post right there.
Anyhoo, Talk to you later. Gotta run for a while.
Now you’re confusing the issue again. We were talking about the time leading up to the invasion, and the idea that the Biden admin was purposefully acting weak. Not Zelenskys speeches to parliaments all over the world after the invasion has been going on for weeks.
If you want to convince the messaging was simple incompetence, just tell me how the invasion hurts the Biden admin and the military industrial complex. Seems to me there is a lot of benefit in this situation for them.
A bit hyperbolic on my part to say he rolled out the carpet. We agree he acted weak. The question is if he really is that weak, or if he thought it would benefit him and his party if Putin felt confident he could invade and get nothing but some weak sanctions in return.
All you have to say to convince me is tell me how this situation hurts Biden and the democrats, the military industrial complex, the oil and gas industry and the finance sector.
See, now we’re back to Russias culpability.
None of this would have happened had Putin kept his own fucking hand in his own fucking cookie jar.
Your whole axiom here is just bullshit.
Plain and simple.
“I think what you’re going to see is that Russia will be held accountable if it invades, and it depends on what it does,” Biden said.
“It’s one thing if it’s a minor incursion and we [NATO] end up having to fight about what to do and not to do.”
We’re obviously dealing with a minor incursion here.
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