Russian Military Buildup Outside Ukraine

You got a couple of “likes” on that one!

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You can have some of mine. I stole a bunch through some back channel deals with the Ruskies a couple of terms back.

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Thanks!

Nice!

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I think I “@'ed” him a while ago but @Aragorn was usually a decent guy in these PWI threads.

Yes, he was! Consistently rational and pragmatic.

“The difficulty in understanding the Russian is that we do not take cognizance of the fact that he is not a European but an Asiatic and therefore thinks deviously. We can no more understand a Russian than a Chinaman or a Japanese and, from what I’ve seen of them, I have no particular desire to understand them except to ascertain how much lead or iron it takes to kill them. In addition to his other amiable characteristics, the Russian has no regard for human life and is an all out son of a bitch, a barbarian, and a chronic drunk.” - George Patton

Not exactly PC by today’s standards. LOL

Strange, i haven’t seen Fauci’s stupid face or heard anything about the border in… almost a month!

It certainly has nothing to do with this topic though.

Really? And yet China is their most important strategic ally. I guess racism only goes so far when it comes to money.

Do you really believe they did this out of their moral concern? Or perhaps did they find a lucrative angle in cutting off a small percentage of their market for propaganda purposes? If they want to impress me, pull out of China.
Call me cynical, but businesses as long as I can look back, are in business to make money. Being anti-russian is the in-thing now.
Too bad, that wasn’t the case even 5 years ago, when we handed our ally Russia, Syria’s chemical weapons store, which in turn gave them a military toe hold in Syria. Too bad that wasn’t the case when Russia annexed Crimea. Too bad that wasn’t the case when BLM and Antifa were carrying Soviet flags through the cities they were burning and spray painting the sickle and hammer next to their BLM paintings. Too bad that wasn’t the case in the JCPOA where Russia is a broker in the agreement. Too bad that wasn’t the case when hillary strolled into the Kremlin with her misspelled “Reset” button.
Yeah, from before 2008, alliance and strategic partnering with Russia was all the rage in Washington.
Then in 2015 Russia had the audacity to meddle in our elections and get Trump elected and all of the sudden Putin became public enemy number one… Except it was a lie. It was a lie but Putin being a convenient boogey man, was working so they decided to keep him an enemy. And Ta da! "We have to make some sacrifices to preserve “democracy” for the puppet government we installed in Ukraine after our coup, deposing the more pro-Russian leader of Ukraine. And the honorable and brave Zelinski, made sure to jail his political opponents and shutdown opposition media. But democracy! Ukraine’s borders are sacred, while millions stroll across our southern border every year. But they are met with hostile DHS agents who funnel them on to secret planes in the middle of the night dropping them off in various cities across the us, with gift cards and hotels paid for with our tax money. “Democracy” for a country that made the biden family filthy rich.
I know, let’s put up a no-fly zone over Ukraine so we can directly get involved in the war. That’s a good idea, because the Russian army is so pathetic and weak and they have no friends, except China, but who’s counting them? China is, after all, on our side. /sarcasm.
We’re being duped. Russia is a convenient blame for our problems, while our politicians run roughshod with their insane globalist agenda thinking they can exploit this situation to push their environmental activism on us, meanwhile our politicians think they can control this war, which they cannot. So far, they have managed to make all the wrong decisions, not least of which is brokering an oil deal with Venezuela; another enemy of the US.
Our leaders are acting so brave and hostile, having no issue ratcheting up escalation, instead of doing everything in their power to calm down the situation.
Sure the rah-rah feels good for now. Will it feel good when bread and milk are $20 for a dozen and a gallon? And that’s if we don’t go to war.
Non-idiots would be trying like mad to de-escalate. But who needs global security?

Well for those of you hawkish for war with Russia, I have every confidence you will get your wish. And when those lines are drawn and China is forced to choose, who do you think they will side with? They may love our money, but they hate our guts.
Funny, this brave new world, seems very much like the old one. I guess it was a good ride while it lasted.
The arrogance and stupidity to me is shocking, but yet not really.

Their governments are literally prison gangs.

Like its not even a close analogy. They’re actually exactly the same.

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That literally makes no sense. The majority of Russia is in Asia, the eastern part of Russia is more akin to these “asians” they hate, Russia and China are tied together as allies. North Korea is just fine with Russia, but the Russians are really, really racist against Asians? Bullshit.

Think about the money.

There are ethnic hate groups that do business with each other. They’ll also kill each other at the drop of a hat but their primary interest is making money.

THEN killing each other.

As much as they hate asians, Russia is going to be China’s bitch now that they have to launder their money through Chinese banks.

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Okay man, they hate asians, fine.

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Biden shit on the MIG plan

There’s a reason Blagoveshchensk Russia (foreground) is 99% white while Heihe, PR China (background across the river) is 97% Han Chinese. Russians in Russian Asia have a 19th century white colonizer mentality (I’m talking about the actual definition of the term, not what some pink haired fat gender neutral creature calls “white colonizers”) so seeing the economic development of China across the border while their country slowly falls apart only increases the feelings of fear and resentment, already present due to centuries of old-fashioned Russian racism towards Asians.

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also extremely incorrect in general.

As a person, It’s wrong to dehumanize anyone, regardless of how vile you consider them.

From a military perspective, dehumanizing enemies might work for getting soldiers riled up, but for a general to say such a thing indicates a lack of understanding → less effective in combating them

I haven’t posted in ages, but I thought I’d pop in and see what you guys think. This clip seems like a fair assessment. Why the hell Zelensky would think he could take a hard line against Moscow with anything less than actual NATO membership to back it up, well that’s a mystery to me.

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He might not be able to take on Moscow, but he’s sure making Moscow pay a very very very hefty price…

He didn’t take a “hard line”, it was simply a matter of existential survival. Forget about that BS about “NATO encroaching on Russian borders” as even Russian propagandists stopped with that crap. Putin himself in his two speeches made it perfectly clear - existence of Ukraine (and more ominously Ukrainians) was unacceptable to Russia because this “anti-Russia” (Putin’s words) just across the border may give Russians themselves crazy ideas about life under non-authoritarian rule.

I mean seriously the discussion about NATO-did-this, NATO-did-that is over. Russians made it repeatedly and publicly clear why they’re waging this war. Zelensky took a “hard line” the same way Poland took a “hard line” in 1939. It’s either going down fighting with some chance for survival or literal erasure of a nation and its population.

Reminds me of the old ethnic resentments I’d see in my grandmothers neighborhood growing up.

Except instead of "Who do those [slavs, chech, italian, afro-american] think they are, with that big fancy [car, house, nice clothes]… Its the town across the river, with their big fancy goddamn ferris wheel.

Just rubbing the other sides’ nose in it, arent they!

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Let’s put our big boy pants on here, it is unacceptable for Moscow that Ukraine becomes part of the west and always was. Someone put it in that idiots head that Ukraine would ultimately be part of the west, EU, NATO, whatever. Moscow will leave Ukraine a bombed out crater before it allows that to happen. Not because it’s afraid of being attacked by NATO, but because autocrats are going to autocrat. So for a realpolitik perspective, why did Ukraine think it could break away from Moscow’s sphere of influence. Forget right and wrong, that clearly doesn’t apply.

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