Russian Military Buildup Outside Ukraine

There has been US and UN aid and intervention in all of those.

Two of my brothers and various other friends and acquaintances have participated in various capacities all over eastern europe while the formerly high ranking officials of the Soviet Union chopped up the territories and populations of them.

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I took it to mean that at one point, culture (civilization?) in the US and Europe was relatively similar, at least to the point where an American and a European could relate on many things, but over recent years, the US has taken a turn that involves concepts (pronouns, etc.) that Europeans just don’t understand. Hence, not ā€œgettingā€ ā€œle wokismeā€ haha.

Not to speak for him, I just didn’t think it was an official term, more just a phrase to describe things.

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Thank you for the insight! I will say, though,

Many european countries are going full woke too. At least from my understanding of the situation.

In what I’m attempting to discern, a ā€˜single civilization’ would be something akin to multiple civilizations with common ethics, beliefs and morals all under one flag. This very well could be wrong, but that’s the only meaning I can derrive from the term.

Maybe so. Probably depends on the place. @loppar also mentioned land acknowledgements and stuff like that. I bet that’s not common in Europe (could be completely wrong). Their history is so much longer and probably more complex, at least regarding people groups, than ours is.

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What is your source on the 60%? There is obviously a range of support for the war, but I would guess that fewer than 10% of the population is distinctly in favor of the war. Support for Putin abstractly might be a little higher, but not much. Putin was popular in the early 2000s and may have actually been able to win a fair election. Today, not so much.

Yes, there are mandatory extra lessons and a variety of other propaganda pushes. But it’s failing. The young and educated in the cities of Russia are not so blind as to not see the collapse that Putin is leading them into. Regardless of how the war ends, at this point the Russian economy is going to be decimated. They can’t buy spare parts for farm equipment. Trade is basically gone. I hope Putin doesn’t survive this.

Yeah, that’s what I was getting at. Sure,you’ve got a constant drift towards progressiveness in Europe and some ludicrous ideas imported from the US, but what’s lacking is that religious, puritanical zeal of wokeness so present in the US and the willingness to engage in culture war battles at the expense of everything else.

Twenty years ago Europeans could understand American politics - not agree with any of it, mind you, but understand from where each side was coming from. That is to a large extent not possible now. Everyone thought that the election of Biden will somehow turn the cultural and geopolitical clock back twenty years and it has not happened, and only exacerbated existing differences.

We’ll know Europe went woke when the Dutch ban Zwarte Piet.

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So a co-worker tried to make a bet about the Ukrainian and Russian war that is going on. He was stating the Russia was going to lose and all the that.

I kinda predicted that Russia was going to make a major push from the south and the north was more of a distraction. And how China was going to back Russia.

We know we are feeling the war in Canada because of the oil prices, but in these times you would think it, more countries would start actually send troops in.

I was (and still am) kinda hoping that every country that sent guns, ammo, and other weaponry in could wait until russia was on it’s heels - then we all just go in for the finishing blow and topple russia once and for all. It would set China straight for sure, and I’m willing to bet Lil Kimmy over in North Korea would quit fucking around for a bit.

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True, but the EU showed they were not willing to help.

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If the EU really wanted to help they could of made an acceptance to there emergency signing. But they claim it takes years and they have to be able to have a sustained economy.

We all know after the war this will not be possible for a while.

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They’re all hedging.

If Ukraine wins they can say ā€œWe tried but red tape and bureaucracy… Oops, our bad.ā€.

If Putin/Russia wins they can say ā€œSee ole’ buddy ? We got your back. We gave him the runaround. He was never gonna get anything from us.ā€.

Or something to that effect.

Bunch of middling queefs.

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How do you defeat a nuclear power without nuclear weapons being used? Do you think a nation would accept defeat and desist from using nukes?

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He said ā€œonce and for all.ā€ Maybe seize control of their technology and nuke the whole place. Fuck ā€˜em. You fuck with Ukraine, you fuck with death. It was that way for thousands of years, prior to Russia and the USSR conquering the great nation of Ukraine and subjugating its people.

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I was hoping for this initially (or maybe just some good old fashioned American air support), but after more reflection I think that discretion is the better decision for now. As mentioned, the possibility of nuclear war is difficult to completely rule out. However, even if we were sure that Putin was only posturing and wouldn’t respond with a nuclear strike, I still think that wiping out Putin’s forces in Ukraine would a terrible move. In fact, it might be exactly what Putin is hoping for at this point.

You have to consider that Putin doesn’t really care about his people or even the destruction of a huge part of his military. It doesn’t really affect him personally as long as he maintains control in Russia. And while we could likely wipe out the Russian forces in Ukraine, marching into Moscow would be a completely different animal. The Russian military looks weak, demoralized, and confused because most of the soldiers don’t believe in what they are fighting for. Putin claims that the invasion of Ukraine was necessary to prevent NATO troops from attacking Russia. The worst thing we could do right now would be to prove him right.

To use an analogy that is somewhat dubious if taken too far, imagine if the POTUS claimed that we needed to invade Canada in order to prevent Canada from making an alliance with China or Russia. You would think he was crazy. And if by some miracle the Canadians were holding their own as we marched on Ottawa, people would rightly question the sanity and leadership of such a president. But if the Chinese and Russians decided to bring their military to Canada and fight us, this crazy hypothetical POTUS would be vindicated.

So as much as I would like to help the Ukrainians, we have to prove that Putin is a crazy maniac. The more his country sinks into economic collapse while his military gets bogged down in a pointless war, the less he will have to grip.

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There are different kinds of war.

Cold war using sanctions, espionage, etc.

Conventional war, with guns and tanks.

Unconventional war with special ops, dark ops, proxy fighters, etc.

Nuclear war.

It doesnt have to go nuclear.

It could turn into another proxy war that bogs all sides down in a quagmire of money and blood until one side or the other goes broke and it just fizzles out into exit strategies and peace talks.
Or, for a more contemporary twist the countries media outlets re-write recent history to suit the flavor of the day.

jeez, you make a comment about taking out a world-renowned bully and suddenly everyone’s finding reasons to disagree with you. :roll_eyes:

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A general on Fox said that there are Ukrainian pilots that can fly A10s. I wish we at least had the sack to provide a dozen of those.

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Bro, I’m fuckin’ ready! Get that draft going! Send our 18 and 19 year olds to fuck up Canada’s shit! #FuckCanada

EDIT: I just realized this may not actually be happening. Can someone confirm that we are getting ready to freedomfuck Canada to prevent it from allying with Russia and China and Nazis and Germany?

That would be like the worlds longest BRRRRRRRRAAAAAP buffet.

I think the invasion remains bogged down and slow until mud season ends…

IMO it all really depends on how much emphasis russia places on avoiding collateral damage. Hopefully their doctrine doesn’t devolve to scorched earth.

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