This post is so devoid of both logic and moral reasoning that it deserves to be responded to. None of these examples are close to the moral equivalent of what is happening in Ukraine. It’s laughable that you’re so hard up for examples of bad things the US did that one of your top 3 is something that was not done but rather just considered. I could come up with better examples of bad things that US has done, but it doesn’t really matter.
Because even if the US government was Satan incarnate, that would not make Putin’s actions in Ukraine any less reprehensible. This is just a big flaming pot of whataboutism and you can’t even find something that is particularly disturbing to whatabout about.
Even if Putin really believed his arguments about how he has to stop NATO from expanding to ensure the security of his people (and I’m fairly confident he doesn’t actually believe that), this argument would amount to nothing more than the paranoid delusions of a feeble-minded old man. No NATO or EU country has seriously considered any type of military conflict or aggression towards Russia until literally a week ago. We’d much rather trade and prosper together. The only reason we can’t live in peace is the paranoid megalomaniac who is literally conspiring in a mountain fortress as we speak.
Unfortunately, what I think you are talking (us feeling less special on a national or racial or religious context) about is tied to our tribal instinct. That’s hardwired deep down into our ancient brain systems. I don’t think it’s something that’s just a cultural construct that we can unlearn.
That’s because you don’t know Russians, which is completely understandable.
Here’s the Wikipedia entry for the Battle for Grozny in 1994. It sounds familiar, doesn’t it? Russian general staff were never the sharpest tools in the shed.
The Russian armored columns invading Grozny on December 31, 1994 were amalgamated from various army units, including untrained conscripted soldiers. The force’s columns aimed to provide blunt firepower, hoping to intimidate the Chechens through the sheer scale of the armored operation. However, all armored and mechanized units were under-staffed and under-trained. Although the Russian forces enjoyed air superiority, weather prevented flight operations. Advancing troopers were supported only by Mi-24attack helicopters, with the group “East” losing five vehicles to a Russian air-strike of ‘friendly-fire’.[13] The previous day, the Russian Air Force bombed nearby villagers, including those anti-Dudayev and pro-Russian.[1] Simultaneously, Moscow claimed Chechens destroyed buildings in Grozny to simulate bomb-damage by Russian warplanes.[19] From the ground, invaders were supported by hundreds of artillery pieces in the hills near Grozny, including rocket artillery batteries such as BM-27 Uragan and BM-21 Grad.
The Plan: Four Russian armored columns were ordered to move in a sudden and co-ordinated attack, and, after defeating all defenders, were to meet at the Presidential Palace in the center of the city. The key to the plan was all four columns reaching the center of the city simultaneously. However, the 19th Motorized Rifle Division (MRD) was late arriving to the group West, commanded by Major General Ivan Babichev, and the bloated column could barely move, with disputed reports of friendly artillery fire. In the east, units of Major General Vadim Orlov’s 104th AirborneDivision did not join the 129th MRR from the Leningrad Military District after they moved on Grozny; and were subsequently hit by friendly artillery fire, the 129th regiment was badly demoralised and retreated the next day without accomplishing much. Lieutenant GeneralLev Rokhlin’s forces of the 8th Corps from the city of Volgograd (formerly Stalingrad) attacked the Chechens from the north.
It already is. He warned all European countries to stand down or we could expect retaliation. Our leaders still acted, thank god. He then put his nuclear arsenal on alert.
The question is, what does he want to do now? He’s only losing no matter what. His country gets fucked right now.
There truly must not be any anti tank weapons available or that mechanized column would look like that Highway of Death in Kuwait. Hopefully those will get to Ukraine sooner than later.
I guess i meant this. When will arming the ukrainians prompt Putin to retaliate against the rest of Europe? Or will it? Who gets it first? Poland? “Stray” missles?
Do you think Ukraine would attempt to get NATO to intervene by “accidentally” attacking an ally and blaming it on Russia? Could they pull it off without the world knowing?
Or aircraft or drones. When i see those images i keep thinking the same thing. Theyre simultaneously holding off the russian army and unable attack a column begging to be destroyed.
Why waste precious munitions that are in short supply attacking an endless (and therefore by definition slow moving) column that has yet to reach it’s destination? There are cities actually in danger of being overrun. The delaying tactics mentioned above by another poster is absolutely the correct strategy at this point in time.
Even so, people are enlisting to fight for Ukraine. People from the Uk, Canada, Portugal, USA…everywhere.
I though people like those Americans who volunteered to fight against the Axis powers before the USA entered was a thing of the past.
Glad I was wrong.
I would’ve gone with a “brap city bitch” reference, but yeah - a Gau-21 would make short work of that shit. Such an easy target
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I think the most Murican thing we could do in this situation would be to air drop some monster trucks in on the front of the convoy for a one time pay-per-view event of Monster Jam: Ukraine. It would basically pay for itself
Russia survived the Mongols, the Romanov dynasty, Rasputin, two world wars and communism.
I don’t know much about Ukrainian history other than they were also conquered by the Mongols, but they’re proving to be a rather resilient bunch as well. There are still people alive today who went through Holodomor when millions of Ukrainians were being starved by the Soviets. My great uncle Walter lived in nearby Poland at the time, also not a fun place to be for most of the 20th century.
Things may not be good right now, but I predict the people will endure.
Oh absolutely, especially with all of the disastrous communism. I visited Germany in the mid 90’s just a few short years after the Berlin Wall came down and the differences between the former East and West German countries was dramatic.
Losing millions of your people has tremendous ripple effects that last for centuries, not decades.
The city of Baghdad, for instance, was so thoroughly sacked in 1258 that its population didn’t recover until the modern era. Getting sacked by the Tartars a few hundred years later makes it even worse. The sheer population loss coupled with the destruction of the canal system built across generations turned one of Earth’s greatest cities into a husk of its former self, and you can argue that it still hasn’t recovered today in 2022.
It’s a good thing that the USA doesn’t have Ogedei Khan or Tamerlane’s foreign policy.
