Russian Military Buildup Outside Ukraine

Winston Churchill was behind 9/11.

Dude…

…are you now going to ask why an out-going non compos mentis ā€œPOTUSā€ should not be making these types of decisions?

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That’s not what he said. He said ā€œAMERICAN military personnel launched missiles into Russia.ā€ That is utter bullshit.

It is said that at the very least, Americans are required to ā€œadviseā€ the operation of those missiles, if not actually operate the tech, because Ukrainian personnel do not have the know how to launch those missiles at this time.

If you have a credible source that says otherwise, please elucidate and enlighten me.

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ā€œIt is saidā€¦ā€ :rofl:

If you have a credible source that says there are Americans in Ukraine helping to fire the missiles, please elucidate and enlighten me.

At this point, it’s sad to say, but I believe Putin more than I believe unnamed ā€œUS officialsā€ from the Biden administration. Call it recency bias.

ā€œFlight assignments for these missile systems can, in fact, only be entered by military personnel from NATO countries. Ukrainian servicemen cannot do this. And therefore, it is not a question of allowing the Ukrainian regime to strike Russia with these weapons or not. It is a question of making a decision whether NATO countries directly participate in the military conflict or not,ā€ Putin said in response to a question on Thursday.

ā€œIf this decision is made, it will mean nothing less than the direct participation of NATO countries, the United States, and European countries, in the war in Ukraine,ā€ the Russian leader added.

U.S. officials told CBS News that Ukraine could assign targets without the direct participation of the U.S. or NATO.

add: ā€œdirect participationā€ā€¦LOL, do I have to explain lawyer speak to you now too?

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Beguiled!

Biden is sharper than he’s ever been.

Putin is ill and dying from cancer.

#MSM

So your source is Putin? Excellent.

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You mean America/NATO is holding its finger a half-inch from Russia’s face and saying, ā€œI’m not touching you!ā€

Putin, refuted only by unnamed ā€œUS officialsā€. It’s called nuance.

I repeat:

And please explain why this escalation is being implemented after the sitting administration has been voted out.

ATACMS isn’t like a rifle that anyone can pick up and shoot. You can’t just drop it off with picture instructions. It goes without saying that the targets were struck inside Russia with American involvement.

This is a mind-bogglingly reckless move with no strategic benefit to the USA that I can discern.

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Putin without any evidence to back up his claim.

I agree the timing is shitty. It should have been done in the fall of 2002 when it was clear Putin wasn’t going to go nuclear. Better late than never, though.

I don’t know how many people in the military you’ve talked to about this, but I have had several discussions. These aren’t brand-new, cutting edge weapons. They were used in the first Gulf War. It is silly to think we couldn’t train Ukrainians to target them. If you have a source saying U.S. personnel were directly involved, I’d love to see it.

As a side note, the Gulf War was 3 years before we gave Ukraine security assurances for giving up their nukes. We gave made a commitment. At best we are barely living up to our side of it.

Weakening Russia (and now N. Korea), learning a TON about what modern warfare actually looks like, and keeping our weapons suppliers busy without risking our troops is definitely a strategic benefit.

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Whenever I see this standardized talking point about a fucking useless war that could’ve been ended long ago, I realize I’m just spitting into the wind.

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It was developed in the 1980’s. I remember reading about it when I was a kid.

I don’t see how a weakened Russia is in our strategic benefit at the end of 2024. It would seem that a weaker Russia is a more dangerous Russia at this point.

Lobbing missiles into Russia is a choice someone in the Biden administration made, not a Ukrainian General.

Saddam Hussein agrees.

I don’t get it and now I feel dumb.

Useless to who? The Ukrainians that we promised to protect? And of course it could have ended long ago if Putin had pulled out when he was humiliated in early 2022. It could be ended everyday by him. It should have never happened to begin with.

The US thought that Iraq would become all kumbaya if only that madman Saddam could be deposed. Besides the shit show that Iraq became, it also elevated Iran to it’s current status in the ME, since Iraq was the one ME country keeping Iran busy.