Russian Military Buildup Outside Ukraine

For fucking ONCE, just admit you were totally wrong and leave it at that. Instead of your typical straw man bullshit. JFC.

By who? By what policy that was adopted? By people like you who were buying stuff, “disinfecting” it, leaving it alone for 3 days to let 'da Covid “die”, before using the stuff?

One word -Mirror.

Btw, I was so sick of the fact that replying to you on this topic meant reading more of your BS, I ignored the fact that you linked a YT video from some pussy “Russian” that got out of the country as fast as he could, jumped on the popular bandwagon, and juiced up by hundreds of thousands, his “followers”…and his YT revenue (totally random result I’m sure) by posting stuff that gullible people like you lap up. Mirror, buddy, mirror.

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If we don’t ever have to worry about Russia invading another European country, we can spend a lot less on defense in Europe and shift a lot more of our focus to China where it really needs to be.

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Kill every Russian? That’s the only way I can see the above being achievable…unless we stop playing world police(then “we” can stop worrying even without propping up Ukraine).

So, just spend more on “defense”(I’m not sure how we can call it that…on the other side of the globe-maybe “the best defense is a good offense,” but it’s STILL offense) in another place?

The end goal, following the killing of all Russians, is to transfer funds to another place that’s not this country?

Look, Neville, no one said anything about killing all Russians. But weakening Russia for decades to come is worth a fraction of our defense budget for now.

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Weakening Russia? All I hear about is how Russia is being destroyed by a country(one that actually shares a border with it) with a third of its population(and less than that in land). How much weaker does it need to be?

Clearly, they needed the lesson. Delusions of grandeur.

Once the remaining USSR dinosaurs die off, things will change.

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Sources, I do have. What I don’t have is time to fuck around with deluded people.
But to humor you lot here are some quick things that are happening beating the drums of war:

Read, weep. Will it change your minds? lol…

which of those articles addresses this claim?

“The phony retreat, that was actually a signed deal to de-escalate and Russia’s honoring it by getting away from Kiev, while Ukraine under pressure from the US reneged, is not the much beloved retreat everybody thought it was.”

Article 1: Not about Ukraine
Article 2: From June 2022
Article 3: Was just about the Russians being pricks, nothing about who is winning/losing

What opinion are you trying to sway, and what are you hoping to sway it to?

In the 3rd article it points out the attack on Ukrainian culture and religion.

This is in direct support of what @loppar and I have been discussing since the start of this thread.

Would you like me to disagree?

I don’t think he can. All of the derision towards the unvaccinated and even vaccinated people like me who didn’t support the mandates is manifesting again in this thread, absent any level of self-reflection on years past.

It’s the same with my woke brother and sister-in-law. They still have not apologized for throwing the family into turmoil by shunning my unvaccinated stepson and un-inviting him from important family events that were previously just family gatherings, absent any political agenda.

What you need to understand is that they may have been wrong about everything that they were saying, but they were wrong for the right reasons.

That’s an admirable strategic war goal. That brings us to part 2 of the question.

What are the means by which this strategic war goal will be achieved?

The obvious follow up to that, as with any policy proposal, is…

At what cost?

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Arming Ukraine.

Much less than a full-on confrontation with Russia if it were to invade a NATO country.

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Alright, now we’re getting somewhere. The 2023 offensive did not move the lines on the map from side-to-side very much. If your goal is to be achieved we will have to arm them some more. The obvious question that follows is…

Arm them with what?

I strongly disagree with you on this notion. If Russia invaded a NATO country with no nukes in play it would be the same sort of lopsided conventional conflict seen in 1991 when the USA and its allies invaded Iraq. Only we were the invaders then, and in your scenario NATO would be on the defense.

Think casualty disparities starting at 100:1 and possibly being as high as 1,000:1. Russia has no such means to threaten NATO, and they know it.

I strongly encourage you and all readers of this thread to read War Is A Racket. It is coming up on 90 years old and the words have every ounce of wisdom that they did when they were written by one of America’s greatest fighting men.

I’ll link it again.

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Being wrong for the right reason only means the wrong individual will not learn from being wrong in the first place and repeat the same or another wrong

in other words they are sheep and/or fear mongerers

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I’m not qualified to answer that with specifics. My generic answer is with whatever they need, that we can spare, short of nukes.

At THIS point in time, I agree with you. Now that they’ve been weakened considerably.

People made their own decisions based on the information available at the time.

Don’t wait until after the fact then act like anything you did or didn’t do was anything more than a best guess.

Its just stupid. And unbecoming of an otherwise thoughtful and intelligent poster such as yourself.

I hate to break it to you, but I had the correct amount of skepticism at the time. I can stand by everything I wrote about Covid as Covid was happening to us all, even today. I still hold the same position I did back then.

Pro vaccine and pro medical research.
Anti-mandate.
Anti-lockdown.
Anti-camp.

Perhaps you shared the feelings of my sister-in-law in the summer of 2021. Back then, she believed that my healthy stepson posed a grave threat to her family due to his unvaccinated status, but sending her elderly mother through airports to travel across the country was safe. I can understand having those feelings at the time, and I can even understand taking it to the point of shunning family (not that I agree, just that I can understand how someone who believed CNN might feel this way).

I can’t understand a lack of self-reflection or apology from my family years later, with receipts in-hand.

That’s why I still stand by my words, even though you object to them. A lot of people may now understand that they were wrong, but still believe that they were wrong for the right reasons.

No, not even close. I didn’t get my son vaccinated either, because he was well within the low risk side of the continuum.

I did get vaccinated myself though because I am in the high risk side of the risk/benefit continuum, and was subject to moderate exposure through work even though we home schooled. And even had a heart surgery in the midst of it.

And I still stand by my position, reciepts in hand, because it was a complex health crisis, not a political goat rodeo that it was turned into.

That really sucks though. My family was equally concerned for each other without regard for vaccination status or feelings about it.