I don’t care.
I want Trump to withdraw the US from the middle east as The US occupation is wrong on multiple levels.
But it doesn’t explain why you have continual blind faith in US intelligence
Do you personally think that Trump would have fired Flynn if Flynn was doing Trump’s bidding? Seems to me that he would have tried to protect him by keeping him on and not throwing him to the wolves if he (Trump) had something to hide.
Okay…
Yes, they’re fake news that originated with the Kremlin and you have helped them spread.
How does that make you feel?
There are two other things that I hope the investigations answer (for me personally):
- Why were all the leaks, “revelations” and Fake News so one-sided?
Did the Trump organization and the RNC have security systems in place that made them virtually impenetrable? (If so; then our National Security Apparatus needs their secrets).
- What exactly did Trump and his groups of shady Minions actually know?
What I personally think is that they DID know that there was a concerted effort by the Russians to bury Clinton…and they gave it all a “wink and a nod”.
I will say it again.
People are wasting their time fighting and getting worked-up by Trump.
No external force or pressure will bring Trump down. If Trump falls, it will be of his own doing.
The counter to that is that the alternative is worse - once it becomes public what Flynn did, it’s too risky to keep Flynn on and continue to have to justify why Flynn is still part of the team.
But I have no idea why Trump does what he does on personnel matters - he’s irrational. [quote=“zeb1, post:1645, topic:226860”]
Seems to me that he would have tried to protect him by keeping him on and not throwing him to the wolves if he (Trump) had something to hide.
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Trump has never exhibited that kind of approach - and he protects himself form fired “whisleblowers” through his pathological use and requirement of non-disclosure agreements.
Trump dumps people quickly and relies on his NDAs to protect himself.
Ha ha okay I’ll bite how did I help Russia spread fake news about Hillary?
This we can agree on!
His tweeting is the single worst offense that Trump will be found guilty of. If stupid tweets were an impeachable offense he would be gone by now. And I agree with Mufasa who said that Trump is his own worst enemy. I will only add that the mainstream media is a close second.
Thank you for the civil discussion.
(Repeat after me):
Flynn was fired because he publically made the Vice President out to be liar.
That wasn’t Fake News.
It was either Flynn or Pentz.
I agree with you. But others are thinking that Flynn was fired because he was some sort of Russian agent. And I find that really, really hard to believe knowing of his past career.
Do you have a source for this empirical claim?
He did try and keep him on. Despite being told by the Justice Dept that Flynn was compromised, Trump didn’t fire him until 18 days later, after the story leaked to the MSM.
Further, Trump is protecting him still:
http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/334053-flynn-says-trump-told-him-to-stay-strong-report
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Are you past the Russia influencing the election part? Because you started there and quickly changed the goal posts to how did the Trump team influence the election.
I have no idea about the second part. I certainly don’t think Trump did it because he is clearly not that involved in the process. He doesn’t read intelligence reports and tweets about Celebrity Apprentice. His positions change on a daily basis and the last twenty years of his political thinking has been so disjointed and inconsistent. He’s politically schizophrenic. His team could have had some involvement. I have no idea. It seems pretty likely that Russia wanted Trump to win and took steps to help push in that direction. And from what we’ve seen with Trump’s speech in regards to Russia it seems to be paying off for them handsomely.
If you agree with our IC community and the IC community of other countries why don’t you care? Why are you not completely up in arms over Trump’s apparent disinterest in getting to the bottom of this? If Russia meddled and Hilary was the President I think everyone on this site knows that your posts from election until now would look like.
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No, actually I started with “meddling” then moved to influencing. And then I was curious about how it all related to Trump. The story beyond the political implications for the dems doesn’t make sense to me. No matter how much I read about it, or think about it. Other than the politics it makes no sense.
I find it all very difficult to believe given Flynn’s record and past accomplishments.
That’s all.
And quite honestly if Trump had anything to do with colluding with Russia I will be the first person to call for his impeachment.
Quite frankly I like Pence a whole lot more…very, very much more than Donald Trump. But that’s another post.
No. No more than anyone else can claim that they have legitimate proof that there was more fake news about Hillary. Certainly now there is at least as much fake news about Trump as there is real.
But I am willing to read anything that you have that proves that…
there was more fake news about Hillary and that it came from the Kremlin. The way I see it the fake news about Hillary came from idiots like the nut who runs InfoWars and other questionable far right wing Internet media. But I could be wrong.
Are you saying he tried to keep Trump on but could not?
Okay, it’s that special time of the day where I hit the gym. So if I don’t answer you guys for a while don’t think that I am being rude.
Cheers!
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"…If Russia meddled and Hilary was the President I think everyone on this site knows that your posts from election until now would look like…[/quote]
Ya’ THINK???
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Since there have been various goal posts moved on “RussiaGate,” let’s look back.
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Collusion between Trump/Trump Campaign and Russia to hack emails – soundly debunked. Even Diane Feinstein says there is no evidence of this.
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Russia changed votes – pretty well debunked. Yes, Russia looked into voting registration improperly, and theoretically could have added voters who shouldn’t been able to vote, but there is no evidence this happened. From looking at where they were poking around, most likely, they were looking for evidence Hillary enemies could use of improper voters to discredit a Hillary win, thereby weakening her presidency.
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Knee-jerk cover up by General Flynn. This is possible. But mainly it looks like he lief to VP Pence, for which non-crime (but shittiness) he got fired.
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Trump firing Comey. Constitutionally Trump can fire Comey because he didn’t like his hair.
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Trump wishing Comey would stop the crap with Flynn. Again, Trump can do this. He could order Comey to stop investigating Flynn, just like Loretta Lynch pretty much shitcanned the entire Hillary investigation.
The only potential crimes I see were using the criminal investigative process in an over broad sense to see if they could randomly dig up unrelated crap on Trump people, either to use as political leverage or to embarrass them.
But, no, “Russia won’t go away” because it’s a way to distract and mollify the leftist base, as it fits the agenda of disruption.
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I’m not mad that Clinton lost as she was a terrible candidate. It’s horrifying that our two party system led us to those two candidates to pick from.
I don’t see what doesn’t make sense. Virtually everyone agrees that a foreign power worked to swing the election to Donald Trump. Leaving everything else out that is a huge deal especially when the losing candidate won the popular vote by a decent margin.
Trump told Russia PUBLICLY that he hoped they could find e-mails from Hilary. This was in the midst of a massive hacking of the DNC servers which was done by Russia. Think about that Trump asking a foreign power to hack his political opponent after the fact that they had likely done damage by hacking into her party’s computer servers.
When this is on top of family and people close to him appearing to have a lot of ties to Russia then obviously questions are going to come up. Why did Russia want him to win? Why would they take the action to help him win? They HAD to see some benefit to him winning.
And why is this not a bigger priority? Why is the President of the United States not speaking out and vigorously pursuing figuring out what happened in the election and how to prevent it in the future. Surely this may be going on behind the scenes to some extent, but you wouldn’t know it from him.
This shouldn’t even be a partisan issue. Everyone should want to figure out to what extent they meddled in the election, why they did it, and how we can prevent it again. It’s just a shame that our “leader” doesn’t seem to think this is worth pursuing, but does think it is worth pointing out that his ratings on Celebrity Apprentice were higher. It’s hard for me to type that out without wanting to vomit on my keyboard.
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This is an interesting read.
http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/06/12/how-russia-targets-the-us-military-215247
Moring said she has become further alarmed as friends of hers in the military, including military intelligence, have become avowed admirers of Putin, and that she now expends considerable effort arguing about Russia on Instagram and Facebook channels geared to military audiences.
In the Wild West of social media, it is difficult to sort out pro-Russian sentiment that is organic—Putin’s approval rating has surged among U.S. Republicans since 2015, and he is often the subject of positive coverage in right-leaning outlets like Fox News—from that which is manufactured. But Breedlove said much of the sentiment is being generated by a concerted Kremlin influence campaign. “People popping up on veterans’ sites and singing the praises of Putin, you can guarantee those are trolls and part of the army that’s sitting over there attacking us every day,” he said.
No, it hasn’t. Internet declarations don’t make it so - completed investigations do.[quote=“Jewbacca, post:1660, topic:226860”]
Russia changed votes – pretty well debunked. Yes, Russia looked into voting registration improperly, and theoretically could have added voters who shouldn’t been able to vote, but there is no evidence this happened.
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I haven’t seen anything on this that has been leaked publicly, and unless you can point to said source of information saying this to be the case, you have no idea this is true or not unless you’re privy to classfified information.
Good to know. But already knew.[quote=“Jewbacca, post:1660, topic:226860”]
Trump firing Comey. Constitutionally Trump can fire Comey because he didn’t like his hair.
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Ordinarily, yes, but SCOTUS precedent says not so fast when there is conflict of interest and possible obstruction in play.[quote=“Jewbacca, post:1660, topic:226860”]
Trump wishing Comey would stop the crap with Flynn. Again, Trump can do this. He could order Comey to stop investigating Flynn, just like Loretta Lynch pretty much shitcanned the entire Hillary investigation.
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See above - what Trump did factually may not rise to the level of obstruction (because it’s based on intent, and that’s hard to prove), but he’s not categorically out of the woods simply by virtue of his office.[quote=“Jewbacca, post:1660, topic:226860”]
The only potential crimes I see were using the criminal investigative process in an over broad sense to see if they could randomly dig up unrelated crap on Trump people, either to use as political leverage or to embarrass them.
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As a result of this post, I’m not sure you’re familiar with abuse of process and the threshold of criminality. In any event, I haven’t seen unrelated crap make it into the public square - everything I’ve seen is relevant to the inquiry.[quote=“Jewbacca, post:1660, topic:226860”]
But, no, “Russia won’t go away” because it’s a way to distract and mollify the leftist base, as it fits the agenda of disruption.
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Nope.
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