Attempted rape in this case probably. Not sure if that’s gonna boost your street cred all that much.
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Can’t be, Mueller is a partisan devil!!
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Edit: And Trump’s defense is now clear. Hillary did it.
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/924096747122634752
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This is going to get very interesting, HERE are the charges against Papadopoulos; it is well worth the read. He made multiple attempts to connect the Trump campaign with the Russian government.
Also, Rick Gates, Manafort’s partner, who was also indicted, continued with the campaign after Manafort left and was even on the inaugural committee. It’s going to be a race to see who flips first. Based on Papadopoulos’s plea agreement, he is cooperating.
I’m betting Kushner’s got a gnawing feeling in the pit of his stomach right about now.
Edit: Page 8 from the Papdopoulos charges:
- On or about May 21, 2016, defendant PAPADOPOULOS emailed another highranking
Campaign official, with the subject line “Request from Russia to meet Mr. Trump.” The
email included the May 4 MF A Email and added: “Russia has been eager to meet Mr. Trump for quite sometime and have been reaching out to me to discuss.” *2*2 The government notes that the official forwarded defendant PAPADOPOULOS’s email
to another Campaign official (without including defendant PAPADOPOULOS) and stated:
“Let[']s discuss. We need someone to communicate that DT is not doing these trips. It should be someone low level in the campaign so as not to send any signal.”
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Flip on what though?
While lying about this is beyond moronic and the facebook and cell phone shit screams “guilty”, what’s this guy actually guilty of (other then lying)?
While the words “collusion” or “conspiracy” don’t appear in the charges, it’s pretty clear Papadopoulos (hate spelling that) was attempting to set up connections with Russian government officials to assist Trump in the election.
From Politifact:
Legal scholars told us that the word “collusion” may not appear in statutes, but working with Russian officials could still violate criminal law.
Daniel Lowenstein, law professor emeritus at UCLA, considered collusion a vague term that would describe “some course of conduct that is adverse to someone else’s interests,” especially if it were being done in secret.
“It seems to me that what has been meant by collusion since this controversy began has been some agreement or understanding that the Russians would in some way assist Trump’s electoral prospects and would be rewarded in some way by Trump as president acting favorably toward Russia,” Lowenstein said. “That would very likely be illegal and surely would be highly improper.”
Stanford University law professor Nathaniel Persily cited the Bipartisan Campaign Reform Act of 2002. A 2011 U.S. District Court ruling based on that law found that foreign nationals could not make expenditures “to expressly advocate the election or defeat of a political candidate.”
“A foreign national spending money to influence a federal election can be a crime,” Persily said. “And if a U.S. citizen coordinates, conspires or assists in that spending, then it could be a crime.”
The 2002 law enhanced penalties for violating statute for contributions and donations by foreign nationals that have been in effect since 1966, according to Ciara Torres-Spelliscy, a professor at the Stetson University College of Law. It’s relevant if Trump Jr. thought he was getting information about Clinton.
“Since opposition research is typically something one would have to pay for, it is reasonable to consider opposition research ‘a thing of value’ under this statute,” she said.
University of Kentucky law professor Josh Douglas agreed that soliciting “dirt” on Clinton could arguably be considered valuable under federal law. He also said working with a foreign entity in a federal election could potentially be subject to public corruption or anti-coercion federal election law.
Seems he was more concerned with setting himself up and assisting his own career more than trump’s, but that is also tempered by his lying. Because why lie in the first place if you didn’t think what you did was wrong?
Under this thought, Clinton is guilty too if Trump is…
How so?
That was opposition research through a private company, not a foreign government who is also an adversary of the United States. And what this is really driving at is whether the Trump campaign assisted, solicited or even knew of Kremlin efforts to spread disinformation against Trump’s opponent.
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I feel like your bias might be clouding your judgement here a wee bit man.
But we have evidence of them “spreading disinformation” against trump too though.
I understand what you’re saying, and I’m not trying to “whatabout” it away. I’m saying the logical extension of your concerns implicates both parties in nefarious deeds re: Russia.
While I follow what you’re saying, I feel like if it literally worked this way Repubs in Congress already wouldn’t be shutting up about it.
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I see what you’re saying and kinda/sorta agree, but I think it’s a false equivalency concerning the level of involvement that’s suspected regarding Trump & Russia (unproven at this stage and all that, I know).
That would require politicians to have ethics and we all know that isn’t true for the most part.
Fair. I’m not sure this popadoc character doesn’t actually hurt that cause though. While it could be the snowball that begins an avalanche, it could also be the “see we kept kicking this dude down the road because we didn’t think it was appropriate” duck and cover.
Either way, this is far more interesting than the “but Russia” stuff has been up until this point.
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Right. But if nothing else, Repubs in Congress are more than willing to scream for charges (let’s be honest, ESPECIALLY about HRC) even when none exist. Pols being quiet seems like the ultimate red flag for “barking up the wrong tree,” at least in this regard.
I could be wrong though, just a layman’s guess.
From my understanding, he was communicating his efforts up the chain to other campaign staffers, so he doesn’t appear to be a lone wolf here. Also, the charges against Manafort include his time as campaign chair.
Or they are actually equally as ignorant as the rest of us on this whole deal and are hedging bets. Or they have done the same slimy shit…
Who the hell knows. You could be right, or they could just be “playing it safe” for now and will finally “see I was on side X the entire time” when it’s over.
I dont’ trust them.
Nope, not at all, he certainly was indirectly encouraged to continue his path, if not explicitly. But the release don’t offer us shit into what happened in the upper levels of the campaign. So we’re still pissing in the wind, and anti-trump will see this as damning, and pro-trump will see it as a nothing burger…
Oh he’s done. A decade or so of wire fraud? lmao.
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Manafort & Gates arrested. Bail set at $10M & $5M respectively.
Edit: under house arrest.
Oh, shittttt