Who could argue with this? JeffR and Chucky and Derek are so great with their arguments, anyone who would argue with them are senseless. You guys deserve a silver Star for your heroic natures… Keep it up, fellas, and keep fighting for EVERY Americans’ freedom of speech!
[quote]JeffR wrote:
ChuckyT wrote:
orion wrote:
I have written that once and I will probably take the time to do it again in the future if I have to.
If all you have to offer in defense of some horrible mistakes in US foreign and domestic policy is:
The Nazis did worse!
and actually believe that that counts for shit you have serious denial problems.
Plus, the Holocaust ended more than 60 years ago.
I feel as guilty for it as you do for the slaughter of the American Indians or slavery.
Well, fine then. Let’s put this in perspective. America does make mistakes. But on the whole, our foreign policy and our entire national character has been far more benevolent than pieces of shit like you will ever admit.
Shall we compare what our countries did when they were powerful? Should I bring up stories of outright conquest and subjugation practiced by the Hapsburgs, where ever they thought they could get away with it? This is not the dirty hands theory, far from it.
You live in a country which is internationally impotent… by choice. I would hope that this is a result of massive horror and guilt as it is for Germany at the atrocities of the RECENT past.
However, given the fact that you have elected Nazis and Nazi sympathizers since 1945 on several occasions – Haider, anyone? – and your countries well-documented cultural denial of your crimes (“oh they invaded us, we had nothing to do with it”), forgive me when I tell you to suck my ass.
You are the direct equivalent of a third-string player who probably could have some impact, but would rather sit on the sidelines and bitch about the coaches and star players because you know they don’t care enough about you to do anything about it. That way you don’t have to do the work or make any tough decisions, but can try to share in the accomplishments of the team when it does well.
I tell you what, you don’t like our foreign policy? What in the fuck has Austria anywhere outside their own borders that was really helpful to anyone else? Has Austria ever done a thing for the United States?
I can think of a few things off the top of my head that were very expensive, very dangerous, and very good for AUSTRIA that the USA has done for your country, and you are a big enough morally bankrupt piece of shit to come on here day in and day out and call us everything that your country actually has been (Nazis, empire-builders, thugs) and that we will never be.
Here you are – the Marshall Plan… do we get any credit for that? I mean, your fucking grandfathers were running slave pits and putting people in ovens because they worshipped God in their own fashion… and then within a few years we were spending millions and millions of dollars to get you back on your feet. Some Evil Empire. You don’t understand America or Americans at all.
How about manning your eastern frontier for 50 years keeping out the Soviets, who would have killed you without a second thought for levying any of the criticisms against them that you do against the USA day in and day out. How many billions of dollars did we spend, how many millions of otherwise productive American lives were wasted planning manning and guarding you from invasion? A decade after the Wall falls and you spend every day on the Net being a total fucking prick to everything about the USA.
It makes a lot of Americans who served and paid outrageous tax through that time period – “Was it worth it?” You may say that it was all in self interest but I can assure you that those rank-and-file guys thought they were defending Western civilization against an idealogy that was the most efficiently murderous in history (it turned out to be worse than we imagined). We also thought that the free peoples of the West were worth saving.
But when we go on and see little shitbags like yourself accusing the USA of everything in the book, it makes us wonder.
After all, we didn’t have to do it. There were a lot of people in this country who thought it would be best to let the USSR run rampant through Europe, and once things settled down we could then go on and commence trade with the Communists (why not?). Trillions of dollars that we spent on defence, how many lives fighting worldwide (without Austria’s help, of course), how many nights sitting in some cold guard posts or watching helicopters damn near squish your bunk when they landed on the carrier or sweating as we chased Soviet subs throughout the seven seas and under the ice shelfs. Is THIS what we labored for? Were the peaceniks right, that we ought to have let places like Austria fall under the iron boot? Let the inevitable millions die so that we might have the stability that cravens like you desire?
The fact is that you judge us against some ridiuculous standard… Oh, I know, it’s the standard that we discuss openly about ourselves and fret and debate and protest when we feel we are not living up to it. Somehow I trust our own judgement and our own loyal opposition a little more than you.
So with all possible offense intended, go fuck yourself.
OH…MY…GOD…
It’s time for orion, to leave this world, FOREVER.
OH…MY…GOD…
JeffR
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