Ronnie Arrested

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[quote]Ghost22 wrote:
abcd1234 wrote:
It’s pathetic that some cops, former or current, feel that they’re above the very laws they enforce. Holding that title does not entitle you to that. Cops who use their sirens and lights to avoid red lights fall into this category too.

Coleman clearly thinks that there exists a different standard for him when it comes to traffic laws.

Or maybe he was just trying to get a break? Getting a ticket fucking sucks.

Don’t act like you wouldn’t pull out anything you had to try to not get a ticket.

I’m still not clear on if he just sort of asked to be let off because he WAS a cop and pulled out his badge to show he was or if he tried to act like he’s currently a cop.

One’s a crime, the other is asking for a friendly gesture since he used to be in the same line of work. [/quote]
or maybe he had his badge in his wallet and went for his ID and the cop saw the badge asked why he had it and ran a check to get him on something else.

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[quote]Spike9726 wrote:
MaddyD wrote:
weird all over the place it says that at one time he was a police officer.
could this be a misunderstanding?
or was he really falsely saying he was an officer when he wasn’t

and i thought if you resigned under good terms you were always an officer just not working.

Once you resign you are a civilian. There is a grace period when you leave where if you get another job your license stays current but I’d had enough.

I didn’t know Ronnie was no longer a cop. I used to train at Metroflex occassionally. Ronnie was kind of quiet but if you said hello he’d say hello back.

My first job out of law school was defending traffic tickets. I was the new guy so I got to go to Dalworthington Gardens. I’m not defending what Ronnie is accused (remember innocent until proven guilty) of doing but DWG is a notorious rat hole of a speed trap. They would tow cars for the slightest reason. They would not put the appearance dates on the tickets then they would cite people for failure to appear. Several of the more prominent traffic attorneys will not work there. I avoid the place at all costs, I refuse to drive down their streets, eat in their restaurants, or support the local business.

And to answer one other gentleman’s question there is such a thing as a hospital police officer in Texas. The Tarrant County (where Arlington is) Hospital District has licensed peace officers for security. They have arrest powers but rarely use them. Several of the schools (TCU, UTA) have campus police departments too.[/quote]

campus police I knew, the county hospitals in some states have peace officers there as well I think.

I have also had officers give me tickets with no date on it and I was cited for FTA and slapped with huge fines.

also I mentioned having the badge in his wallet because that happened to me once.
I was a plain clothes store detective, yes a security guard.
they issued me a badge to carry in mt wallet to ID myself as loss prevention.
I was stopped on the way home one day and the cop saw I had a badge in my wallet,asked me if I was a cop I told him no Im private security for __________
he arrested me for impersonating an officer because only police carry badges.I laughed at him and his stupid statement made things worse
he said I told him I was a cop to get out of a ticket,which was a lie.
judge threw it out because I was a security officer and I never identified myself as anything but that and had to bring in bosses and wittnesses proving that I had been issued a badge and what my job was.

was a huge hassle and being called a cop in jail is not fun either.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
zarrs wrote:
It stopped being about a ticket once he said he was a police officer

He was a police officer (licensed apparently through 2003 and currently on reserve as he has mentioned before in interviews). He didn’t do anything different than what no doubt many military and cops do when pulled over for a minor infraction like this. The fact that people are even defending the time and tax payer money to put him in jail for something like this when this could have been handled by the cop on the side of the road is what is ridiculous here.

He was not some random stranger claiming he was a cop when he never had been. This was someone who put his life on the line as a cop for several years (even when he didn’t need to anymore and was making more money through competitions) who from what we can tell from this article simply stated he was a cop at a traffic stop. [/quote]

I know that he was a police officer, ill never forget the scene in one of his movies where is is in his uniform eating a bucket of fried chicken. But he is no longer a police officer and by stating he was is breaking the law.
Celebs would do the same thing as well I guess my views on it are fairly harsh I understand that but I do see where you are coming from.

I’m guessing we will be agreeing to disagree

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As to whether Coleman’s claim of presently being a reserve officer was true:

http://www.star-telegram.com/news/story/1392706.html

On the theory that the whole thing might have come up only because his badge was visible when he went to get his ID, not currently being an officer means he has no business having his old badge visible when he shows his wallet to people. If he’s carrying it in his wallet while not an officer, the purpose can only be impersonation.

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For those of you who are interested. Ronnie will be on Heavy Muscle Radio tonight to discuss the incident:

It’s over at RX muscle.

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[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
As to whether Coleman’s claim of presently being a reserve officer was true:

http://www.star-telegram.com/news/story/1392706.html

On the theory that the whole thing might have come up only because his badge was visible when he went to get his ID, not currently being an officer means he has no business having his old badge visible when he shows his wallet to people. If he’s carrying it in his wallet while not an officer, the purpose can only be impersonation.[/quote]

true, I have not read the article you provided but could the badge be this “hospital officer” badge that was mentioned and not actual police badge.

or maybe I should read that shouldn’t I.

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even if was STILL a serving cop he shouldnt be speeding around,Why should an off duty cop be allowed to endanger the lives of innocent parties

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Of course, the arresting officer could have said:

“Everybody wanna be a reserve cop, but nobody wanna keep their cop-ass license up to date…”[/quote]

The funniest thing I’ve heard all day

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[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
As to whether Coleman’s claim of presently being a reserve officer was true:

http://www.star-telegram.com/news/story/1392706.html

On the theory that the whole thing might have come up only because his badge was visible when he went to get his ID, not currently being an officer means he has no business having his old badge visible when he shows his wallet to people. If he’s carrying it in his wallet while not an officer, the purpose can only be impersonation.[/quote]

I agree.

As to the matter of identifying ineself as an LEO…

I always identify myself when I get pulled over, and nearly every Officer I know does as well. I know the cynics will say “You’re just trying to get out of tickets.” Not really. There are two other, much more serious reasons for doing so.

First, I don’t know why I’m being pulled over. And neither do you, for that matter. Let me give you a scenario. Guy sees you walking down the street from his house. For whatever reason, guy hates your guts and wants to ruin your day. Guy calls 911 and makes an anonymous report of a male, matching your description, with active warrants, carrying an illegal gun in his waistband. As you can imagine, there are going to be plenty of police enroute to stop, frisk, identify and question you. If you’re all set, then you’re all set, but until the police KNOW who you are and can verify that, you are going to be treated with suspicion. They probably won’t tell you what’s up until the frisk is over, for safety reasons. You will probably also have a few guns pointed at you. Not pleasant, but reality. I’ve been in uniform, trying to stop the guy walking down the sidewalk, dozens if not hundreds of times. If the guy decides to run, we’re not thinking about the warrant, we’re thinking about the GUN he’s possibly carrying.

Now let’s say you inadvertently cut someone off in traffic. Said person can easily call 911 via their cell phone and make the same complaint. “Red car, license plate XXXX, eastbound on interstate whatever, male driver was waving a gun at me out the window.” You’re gonna get stopped. And you will have no idea why.

There are some very bad people who don’t like me very much because I, or one of my coworkers, put them or one of their family members in jail for a long time. They can easily make the above mentioned anonymous complaint and I’m going to get stopped by the Police in whatever jurisdiction I’m in. Which brings me to reason number two for identifying myself…

During the stop, my vehicle or my person may be frisked or searched for any number of reasons. If and when this happens, the officer is going to find a locked and loaded .45. Now, having a little experience here, I can tell you that finding a handgun unexpectedly is what we in Law Enforcement call a clue. And it pisses us off when it happens, because law abiding citizens who are not trying to hide anything don’t generally hide weapons from the police during a street or traffic stop. They tell us up front “Hey Officer, just so you know, I’m a CCW holder and I am currently carrying. What would you like me to do so that you feel safe?” Now, I LIKE CCW, and wish more good guys carried, but I want to know if you are one of the good guys, because if I stumble across a pistol or spot the butt end of a weapon flashing from underneath your shirt, my red flags start popping up and I begin to worry about my safety.

So yes, I identify myself as a Police Officer during traffic stops because I don’t know why I’m being stopped and to give the on-duty Officer a heads-up that I’m carrying. If I fail to do so, and he does spot my gun, I expect to be staring down the barrel of his own.

Demo Dick

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
zarrs wrote:
It stopped being about a ticket once he said he was a police officer

He was a police officer (licensed apparently through 2003 and currently on reserve as he has mentioned before in interviews). He didn’t do anything different than what no doubt many military and cops do when pulled over for a minor infraction like this. The fact that people are even defending the time and tax payer money to put him in jail for something like this when this could have been handled by the cop on the side of the road is what is ridiculous here.

He was not some random stranger claiming he was a cop when he never had been. This was someone who put his life on the line as a cop for several years (even when he didn’t need to anymore and was making more money through competitions) who from what we can tell from this article simply stated he was a cop at a traffic stop. [/quote]

I’m willing to bet good money the piece of shit citing officer was some 135lb, 5’2, honky trying to put the _________ in his place and teach him that he isn’t above the law even though he was in fact one of “them”. Not even worthy of being pissed on if on fire.

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It’s amazing how so many people know so much about the arresting officer without having a single fact – other than their own prejudices and preconceptions – regarding the arrest.

Do they have any idea what the speed was?

Granted the town was a speed trap, but if it’s true that Coleman is known in his videos for going 95+, how do those condemning the arresting officer know that Coleman wasn’t going 95 or some other speed commonly warranting being pulled over?

Coleman is a well-known person. How do these folk know that the arresting officer did not know, as I did for example, that Coleman USED to be a police officer but that was some time ago and therefore CORRECTLY doubted that Coleman was telling the truth, and CORRECTLY considered it likely that in his claims and by showing the badge he was committing the crime of impersonating a police officer?

Amazing how you know the motives of why he did the stop and why he checked to see if the claims were true, which they were not. Coleman was lying, but you find no fault in that: only in the arresting officer, whom you condemn in the strongest terms.

Or are you just in the habit of no matter what attacking whomever correctly finds your heroes in the wrong, even when your hero lies, even when it appears he had pre-intent to commit a crime (why else would he have been carrying the badge other than to be able to produce it and create a false appearance, which he in fact did do), even when he commits a crime?

As for your racist comment: I take this and your entire method of reasoning (?) as another example of people imputing on others their own manner of thinking and operating. Namely, treating people and coming to decisions on them based on race, which is racist. You have zero evidence on the race of the arresting officer and zero evidence that race was a reason, while having all the evidence needed to know that the crime in question was in fact committed and that that alone is reason enough for the officer’s actions.

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[quote]Mick28 wrote:
This is pretty typical of Ronnie…I’m above the law…Coleman.

Facts:

  1. He’s an ignorant steroid bloated egomaniac…Okay that was harsh…but the guy makes me puke. [/quote]

Oh, you don’t like non functional muscles too?

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[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
…Or are you just in the habit of no matter what attacking whomever correctly finds your heroes in the wrong, even when your hero lies, even when it appears he had pre-intent to commit a crime (why else would he have been carrying the badge other than to be able to produce it and create a false appearance, which he in fact did do), even when he commits a crime?[/quote]

Oh no you didn’t! Dropping the “H” word…“hero.” I wasn’t going there, but that was my thought as well.

[sarcasm]

No, no, no…all cops are (1) white, (2) racist, and (3) exist solely to put black people in jail for no reason other than the color of their skin. Anyone who disagrees with that is just being “closed-minded.”

[/sarcasm]

I did have a chuckle at the unintentionally funny use of the word “honky” a few posts up. Thought we were in a bad 70’s cop show for a second there.

Demo Dick

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[quote]nvh95 wrote:
abcd1234 wrote:
Ghost22 wrote:
abcd1234 wrote:
It’s pathetic that some cops, former or current, feel that they’re above the very laws they enforce. Holding that title does not entitle you to that. Cops who use their sirens and lights to avoid red lights fall into this category too.

Coleman clearly thinks that there exists a different standard for him when it comes to traffic laws.

Or maybe he was just trying to get a break? Getting a ticket fucking sucks.

Don’t act like you wouldn’t pull out anything you had to try to not get a ticket.

That would still be a situation of someone using their influence to get away with something that an average man wouldn’t be able to. It’s an elitist dick move that people in power, whether they be in Washington, Wall Street, or your local police precinct, do. The severity of the crime is not an issue.

And beautiful women get away with this every day. Is that okay - or should everyone be made ugly ala Harrison Bergeron so no one can get out of a traffic ticket? Seriously, we’re dropping all common sense here. [/quote]

It’s “common sense” that double standards are “okay”? Apparently you’re confused as to the nature and purpose of laws. Laws should not exist to apply to some and not others. When they do, we get an example of an unjust law(like your example where the beautiful are excluded by virtue of their beauty).

Speeding laws are not absolute, though. If you’re driving someone who’s bleeding to death to the hospital, it is justifiable that you be exempt from the law for that one specific instance. Coleman here was likely not in such a circumstance. He was likely trying to get out of a jam(of his own making) using means and methods unavailable to everyone else in society. Thus, he put himself above the law by virtue of who he is(current/ex-cop) and not by virtue of some extraordinary circumstance which may warrant breaking the law(ie. a legitimate emergency).

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He gambled and lost. Now it is going to cost him. Bet he regrets it now.
Sure glad the race card didn’t get played here…
EDIT–spoke too soon.

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[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:

Or are you just in the habit of no matter what attacking whomever correctly finds your heroes in the wrong, even when your hero lies, even when it appears he had pre-intent to commit a crime (why else would he have been carrying the badge other than to be able to produce it and create a false appearance, which he in fact did do), even when he commits a crime?

[/quote]

Bingo. Bill nailed it.

However you look at it, Ronnie was wrong in attempting to pass himself off as a current police officer. But - even if he committed murder and was caught red-handed, there’d be a line-up on this board freaking out claiming he was framed…

This is what I was talking about the other day - God help you if you say anything even remotely negative about pro-bodybuilding around here…

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Cops should have to follow the law that they enforce…i see cops running red lights and making illegal turns all the time, but if you do it they’ll give you a ticket and those tickets arent cheap. The last one I paid was $180 and Im out of work but the court still wanted their money.

If you went to a church and the preacher told you not to gamble or drink…but he was caught at the casino sipping on a rum and coke you would call him a hypocrite right? Same with police not following laws they enforce on everyone else. Another poster posted on hy cops identify themselves as cops when they are pulled over. Its one thing to identify for safety reasons, its another to identify to try and get away with what you did based on your status.

If he wants to get away with t, he should go to traffic court like everyone else. Ive gotten away with tickets even when I was in the wrong by going to traffic court.

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The sad thing is that the whole thing – not just this incident but the whole general thing – is so stupid.

Not that I’m saying Coleman is stupid. I don’t know him, but I doubt that. Anyone can do a stupid thing.

Committing a crime that can give, potentially, 6 months imprisonment in order to get out of a traffic ticket? Wow, that is stupid. I don’t care if a person thought there was only a 1% chance of getting caught at the crime: it’s just stupid.

Secondly, the whole “professional courtesy” expectation.

While it is corrupt, myself I don’t think that every officer that believes in it is doing so from corruption. Unfortunately, many people are lemming-like. The very fact that so many officers do believe in it and practice it, and treat it as being “part of the fraternity” and so forth causes many, I expect, to unquestioningly accept it. They genuinely don’t analyze for themselves whether it is corrupt, self-serving conflict-of-interest or not, or whether the law was written with any such intent as to exempt police officers.

I’ve run into this before on another board (a motorcycle board) that happened to have many police officers as members: fine members, too. But when the “professional courtesy” issue came up, the number that defended it vigorously and in fact got quite angry at it being called corruption was surprisingly high. I really did not and do not have the opinion that any of those guys were corrupt in general. My best take on it is lemming-like behavior.

And of course not all police officers believe they are entitled to the slightest bit of particular consideration with regard to traffic tickets. One of my friends who is in the Florida Highway Patrol, I have gone on many trips with. He will not go 1 mph over the speed limit. Ever. It was actually on the one hand pretty annoying when following him in another vehicle and the trips were often long and in many cases it is just so ridiculous poking around at the posted limit, but that’s how it was. On the other hand I respected that he was unwilling to do himself what he wrote tickets to others for. (This outweighed the annoyance-at-slowness factor.)