[quote]JEATON wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
Give me one example of a place or even a market that has no restrictions on it�¢??s market
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Galt’s Gulch.
Oh, in you mean the real world.
[/quote]
Hong Kong.
Singapore.
Dubai.
It sis always the false choice between anarchism and 2/3 socialism with you guys, isnt it?
[quote]raybbaby wrote:
Reagan sucked. Did you not live through it?[/quote]
Bad doctor gave you medicine that cured you but made you a booboo.
Bad doctor!
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
I understand your argument is so weak that you must make personal inferences, I still have done no research on the profits of Caterpillar, or to see if they sold more than when the steel market was American.Your statement that Americans got some kind of boost by creating vast fields of unemployment is to be seen. Regan is still a dick and in my opinion a traitor
Well if you as a consumer have so much power I would like to pay $.20 a gal for gas, make it happen please, and quick, thanks in advance
I think any market that has the ability to run free will do great, but life is more complicated than that . Not everything can run free. The market is driven by profit, it has no concern if it fucks up the environment or if every body gets what they need, all they care about is profit
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You just refuse to understand. If a Company is damaging the environment you don’t buy from them. A company is going to expand, thus creating jobs, thus people will get what they need. Before NAFTA we had a job surplus.
Learn the basics of free market and you will understand why it works. If the unions would have adjusted their demands on the company so the company could compete internationally they would have survived. When a company gets pushed like you think should happen they leave and thus all their domestic workers to become unemployed.
The federal government has very few roles given to them when it comes to the economy. Creating a condition in which a bunch of greedy union members can get a bunch of money while poor people are in the street hungry because the steel costs to much for businesses to expand is not one of their roles.
Their a logical and emotional argument to help you out.
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]JEATON wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
Give me one example of a place or even a market that has no restrictions on it�?�¢??s market
[/quote]
Galt’s Gulch.
Oh, in you mean the real world.
[/quote]
Hong Kong.
Singapore.
Dubai.
It sis always the false choice between anarchism and 2/3 socialism with you guys, isnt it?[/quote]
They don’t understand the difference between state and federal government.
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]JEATON wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
Give me one example of a place or even a market that has no restrictions on it�?�¢??s market
[/quote]
Galt’s Gulch.
Oh, in you mean the real world.
[/quote]
Hong Kong.
Singapore.
Dubai.
It sis always the false choice between anarchism and 2/3 socialism with you guys, isnt it?[/quote]
While these places may be kind to corporations they are by no means free markets they all tax their corporations, they all have trade treaties. They can not by definition be free trade.
The closest you could come would be the black market, but it is not free, get caught and you will see.
It is always you free market people insist on things that just do not exist
[quote]John S. wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
I understand your argument is so weak that you must make personal inferences, I still have done no research on the profits of Caterpillar, or to see if they sold more than when the steel market was American.Your statement that Americans got some kind of boost by creating vast fields of unemployment is to be seen. Regan is still a dick and in my opinion a traitor
Well if you as a consumer have so much power I would like to pay $.20 a gal for gas, make it happen please, and quick, thanks in advance
I think any market that has the ability to run free will do great, but life is more complicated than that . Not everything can run free. The market is driven by profit, it has no concern if it fucks up the environment or if every body gets what they need, all they care about is profit
[/quote]
You just refuse to understand. If a Company is damaging the environment you don’t buy from them. A company is going to expand, thus creating jobs, thus people will get what they need. Before NAFTA we had a job surplus.
Learn the basics of free market and you will understand why it works. If the unions would have adjusted their demands on the company so the company could compete internationally they would have survived. When a company gets pushed like you think should happen they leave and thus all their domestic workers to become unemployed.
The federal government has very few roles given to them when it comes to the economy. Creating a condition in which a bunch of greedy union members can get a bunch of money while poor people are in the street hungry because the steel costs to much for businesses to expand is not one of their roles.
Their a logical and emotional argument to help you out.[/quote]
Did not help at all:) You told me nothing I did not know
You refuse to understand that only an idiot would think that Americans through their purchasing power would keep Business ethical. Like Business people do financially what is best for themselves.
I understand that there are things from the free market theory that we can use to bolster our business community, but a free market does not exist anywhere â?¦.
It is funny that the only people you see as greedy are Union Members, Why donâ??t you just not buy from companies that their work force is unionized? That would surely put them out of business.
[quote]raybbaby wrote:
Reagan sucked. Did you not live through it?[/quote]
No I died; I am writing this from Heaven
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]JEATON wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
Give me one example of a place or even a market that has no restrictions on it�??�?�¢??s market
[/quote]
Galt’s Gulch.
Oh, in you mean the real world.
[/quote]
Hong Kong.
Singapore.
Dubai.
It sis always the false choice between anarchism and 2/3 socialism with you guys, isnt it?[/quote]
While these places may be kind to corporations they are by no means free markets they all tax their corporations, they all have trade treaties. They can not by definition be free trade.
The closest you could come would be the black market, but it is not free, get caught and you will see.
It is always you free market people insist on things that just do not exist[/quote]
This is pure nonsense.
The freer the market, the better.
It is the notion that just because there are no 100% free market that we somehow have to accept a plethora of regulations, trade restrictions, taxes and all other government interference.
No, we dont.
And the black market is a good example.
It works without, even egainst government regulations, albeit in a government created and sustained niche, and products are becoming cheaper and purer each year. It gets the customers what they want, even under extreme and dangerous circumstances.
This is a market that works just fine, not needing government interference, but thriving against the governments attempt to destroy it.
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]JEATON wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
Give me one example of a place or even a market that has no restrictions on it�??�??�?�¢??s market
[/quote]
Galt’s Gulch.
Oh, in you mean the real world.
[/quote]
Hong Kong.
Singapore.
Dubai.
It sis always the false choice between anarchism and 2/3 socialism with you guys, isnt it?[/quote]
While these places may be kind to corporations they are by no means free markets they all tax their corporations, they all have trade treaties. They can not by definition be free trade.
The closest you could come would be the black market, but it is not free, get caught and you will see.
It is always you free market people insist on things that just do not exist[/quote]
This is pure nonsense.
The freer the market, the better.
It is the notion that just because there are no 100% free market that we somehow have to accept a plethora of regulations, trade restrictions, taxes and all other government interference.
No, we dont.
And the black market is a good example.
It works without, even egainst government regulations, albeit in a government created and sustained niche, and products are becoming cheaper and purer each year. It gets the customers what they want, even under extreme and dangerous circumstances.
This is a market that works just fine, not needing government interference, but thriving against the governments attempt to destroy it.
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In my opinion you are showing that you do not have a grasp on the things that you claim you do, I buy marijuana on the black market, and if not for our Gov.â??s attempt to eradicate the market it would be considerably cheaper.
Your claim that the black market thrives even in the face of the adverse laws is equivalent that any company or corporation can evade taxes but if they get caught they will realize how unfree they really are
A true free market would have the ability to steal from itâ??s customers but would have no fear from reprisal from anybody. I agree with you that the freer the market the better it is for that market. But the twist comes that the freer the market is not necessarily the best for you and me.
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]raybbaby wrote:
Reagan sucked. Did you not live through it?[/quote]
Bad doctor gave you medicine that cured you but made you a booboo.
Bad doctor!
[/quote]
You see the fault with making inferences to what my life is, I live in a very nice house drive a very nice truck, business is down but as soon as the economy picks up I will be doing good, what I missed was a middle class life and thirty years of breathing the dust that is created by making steel. So I am a blessed person. But if you go to those steel towns you will see that a bomb did go off and it interrupted hundreds of thousands of lives. It costs American TAX PAYERS trillions of dollars in social programs, America may never recover
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
In my opinion you are showing that you do not have a grasp on the things that you claim you do, I buy marijuana on the black market, and if not for our Gov.â??s attempt to eradicate the market it would be considerably cheaper.
Your claim that the black market thrives even in the face of the adverse laws is equivalent that any company or corporation can evade taxes but if they get caught they will realize how unfree they really are
A true free market would have the ability to steal from itâ??s customers but would have no fear from reprisal from anybody. I agree with you that the freer the market the better it is for that market. But the twist comes that the freer the market is not necessarily the best for you and me.
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How often has a weed dealer “stolen” from you?
Case closed.
You are also operating under the assumption that a justice system that prevents fraud and violence somwhow makes a market less free, whereas I see that as building a market and not interfering with it.
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
In my opinion you are showing that you do not have a grasp on the things that you claim you do, I buy marijuana on the black market, and if not for our Gov.�¢??s attempt to eradicate the market it would be considerably cheaper.
Your claim that the black market thrives even in the face of the adverse laws is equivalent that any company or corporation can evade taxes but if they get caught they will realize how unfree they really are
A true free market would have the ability to steal from it�¢??s customers but would have no fear from reprisal from anybody. I agree with you that the freer the market the better it is for that market. But the twist comes that the freer the market is not necessarily the best for you and me.
[/quote]
How often has a weed dealer “stolen” from you?
Case closed.
You are also operating under the assumption that a justice system that prevents fraud and violence somwhow makes a market less free, whereas I see that as building a market and not interfering with it.
[/quote]
Regulations are laws that pertain to a complicated business that transacts a lot of business for example banking.
We allow banks to invest ten dollars for every dollar they have on deposit, so they take the money that they are supposed to loan to businesses and people and they play the stock market with that same ten to one ratio
We have allowed banking to work its way into our lives so that it is very difficult to be successful with out the banking industry, now they are fucking us be because it is profitable
In ninth grade a pot dealer tried, he got my money but got an ass whoopin 
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
In my opinion you are showing that you do not have a grasp on the things that you claim you do, I buy marijuana on the black market, and if not for our Gov.�?�¢??s attempt to eradicate the market it would be considerably cheaper.
Your claim that the black market thrives even in the face of the adverse laws is equivalent that any company or corporation can evade taxes but if they get caught they will realize how unfree they really are
A true free market would have the ability to steal from it�?�¢??s customers but would have no fear from reprisal from anybody. I agree with you that the freer the market the better it is for that market. But the twist comes that the freer the market is not necessarily the best for you and me.
[/quote]
How often has a weed dealer “stolen” from you?
Case closed.
You are also operating under the assumption that a justice system that prevents fraud and violence somwhow makes a market less free, whereas I see that as building a market and not interfering with it.
[/quote]
Regulations are laws that pertain to a complicated business that transacts a lot of business for example banking.
We allow banks to invest ten dollars for every dollar they have on deposit, so they take the money that they are supposed to loan to businesses and people and they play the stock market with that same ten to one ratio
We have allowed banking to work its way into our lives so that it is very difficult to be successful with out the banking industry, now they are fucking us be because it is profitable
In ninth grade a pot dealer tried, he got my money but got an ass whoopin :)[/quote]
Well I am vey much against fractional reserve banking because I believe it to be fraudulent.
Also, when was the last time you beat up an IRS agent?
[quote]JEATON wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
Give me one example of a place or even a market that has no restrictions on it�¢??s market
[/quote]
Galt’s Gulch.
Oh, in you mean the real world.
[/quote]
The Black Market
And I don’t mean the racist one.
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
It is always you free market people insist on things that just do not exist[/quote]
No, you misunderstand us (as usual). We perfectly get the fact that people are going to interfere in our lives. We are just suggesting YOU stop interfering.
We want the freedom to make our own choices. This implies paying the consequences when we do something uncouth. But if it means you have to fend for yourself I am happy with it.
[quote]orion wrote:
How often has a weed dealer “stolen” from you?
[/quote]
And this is a good point against prohibition. It does happen because some dealers know there is nothing their “customers” can do about it except find a new dealer.
Prohibition forces people to take the “law” into their own hands when they are wronged.
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
How often has a weed dealer “stolen” from you?
[/quote]
And this is a good point against prohibition. It does happen because some dealers know there is nothing their “customers” can do about it except find a new dealer.
Prohibition forces people to take the “law” into their own hands when they are wronged.[/quote]
If a weed dealer steals from me I beat his ass.
Never happened though.
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
[quote]JEATON wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
Give me one example of a place or even a market that has no restrictions on it�?�¢??s market
[/quote]
Galt’s Gulch.
Oh, in you mean the real world.
[/quote]
The Black Market
And I don’t mean the racist one.[/quote]
Black Market!
Orion and lifty I can not wait tp answer your question, but got to go
^I’m sure we’ll be completely underwhelmed by your response.