[quote]Sifu wrote:
The bottom line of all this is that the Israelis are good people to have on our side. But that has been well known for a long time. It says that in the bible.[/quote]
Good people? Many are. Great. But so what? They have problems they need to work out. They don’t need daddy USA to wipe their butts for them. Shit, we can’t even get our own house in order much less someone else’s.
[quote]toolhead wrote:
[quote]Sifu wrote:
[quote]brnforce wrote:
[quote]Sifu wrote:…
I’m not really impressed by any of them. But thread isn’t about the rest of them, it’s about Ron Paul…
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That’s the last post I’ll ever read by Sifu.
Of course it’s about all of them. What the hell are you smoking? The thread is about whether or not Ron Paul’s candidacy is finished so if you say it is, who will be the candidate? Who would you choose instead of him and why? If none of the candidates are doing anything right then you shouldn’t single out a single one. [/quote]
No it’s not about all of them. Ron Paul is specifically mentioned in the tile of this thread. No one else. I’m not smoking anything. Ron Paul has been irrelevant and coming up with ideas I don’t agree with for a long time.
Throwing Israel to the wolves is not going to change how the muslims in the middle east feel about us. All it will do is lose us an important ally there and possibly encourage them to start another war with Israel that could end up going nuclear.
If you think Ron Paul could keep us safe through a nuclear war in the middle east you are an idiot. The fallout will go everywhere and eventually it will rain down on us. In addition to the fallout danger, the Israelis have more than enough nukes to start a nuclear winter.
So there is the possibility of billions dying in a global catastrophe that would destroy everyone including us if we just cut the Israelis loose and see what happens in the middle east, like Ron Paul suggests. Ron Paul is a wildly reckless gambler.[/quote]
What do you mean “cut the Israelis loose”? As in, no more economic or military assistance? Yes, certainly, if we stopped our aid to Israel, the first thing they would do is attack Iran. After all, cutting our aid to Israel would mean they would suddenly have the financial and military resources to sustain a full-scale war with Iran.
If instead of having their back, we walked away, certainly, such an act would embolden the Israelis to immediately launch a war against Iran. Are you kidding? If the U.S. backed away from Israel, the first thing the Israelis would do is consider compromising with their neighbors–as a matter of fact, they would be forced to do so, just as all other states are forced to compromise, collaborate, and bargain for their interests.
This isn’t a drunken bar fight, this is international relations between rational states interested above all for their own survival. If a state loses a powerful ally, in this case, its most powerful ally, it is far less likely to engage in war and far more likely to work out an agreement. [/quote]
Your name is appropriate because you really are a tool. Our aid is what has given us the influence to keep the Israelis in check. Take that away and they really will need to hit the Iranians first.
You remark about compromising really shows you to be clueless. The Israelis are dealing with people who want them dead. You don’t compromise with people who want you dead and who are willing to sacrifice not only their own life but the lives of their children to see that result become a reality.
You haven’t the slightest clue about the middle east if you think that people there are rational or put their survival above all else.
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
[quote]toolhead wrote:
Iran is a rational actor.
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Ha ha. You big kidder you.
Something important that people don’t understand about the twelver’s is that Judaism had a similar sect known as the Zealots. The Zealots believed the messiah would come and save them if they rose up against Rome. So they rebelled against Rome, got their people slaughtered, thrown out of Israel and they spent the next 19 centuries as “the wandering Jews” being persecuted.
This is the kind of mentality we are dealing with, with the Iranians. It is foolish to think that they are perfectly rational.