Ron Paul Revolution

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
If you don’t pick a winner never post here again.[/quote]

And this is what you did last time…HEDGE. Where is all that Ron Paul confidence when you have to back it up?

G O N E ![/quote]

It has nothing to do with confidence. It’s called gambling and it’s all about the payout.

You do know about risk versus reward, right?

You’re setting up the game to give yourself better odds but not giving anything in return.

I call that cowardice. [/quote]

Ha ha ha…Okay you don’t have enough confidence in Paul to make such a bet. I will say that Romney is going to get the nomination, and you take Paul. But you are not crazy enough to make such a bet are you?

By the way would you call the Casino’s cowards, or are they smart?[/quote]

What kind of bet you taking for Romney for Prez ?[/quote]

I have no grand illusions that Romney will become President. If you followed any of my many posts with Sloth you know that at best he only has a 50% chance of beating Obama. Less than that if Obama places Hillary on the ticket. But he is the republicans best chance to capture the White House in 2012.

Only Two Republican Candidates on Virginia Ballot

Newt’s Watching - Fox Analyst Can’t Say “Ron Paul” and “Best” in the Same Sentence

Ron Paul: I’d VETO the Indefinite Detention Act (NDAA)

edit - Sorry for embedding the video player, the first time.

Ron Paul vs. Big Government

edit - Sorry again for the embedded player. Damn youtube ; )

Ron Paul Explains NDAA An Unconstitutional Law

Dana Bash on Ron Paul

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]DrSkeptix wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:
Really…the We the People Act shouldn’t even have to be passed. It IS already built into the Constitution.[/quote]

If so, is it just silly…or political hypocrisy?

Since Marbury v. Madison, can Congress limit the purview of the Supreme Court?

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Although Marbury is a landmark case that is recognized to this day there are some valid criticisms of it.

Also, although it of course firmly established judicial review I’m not too sure it does, or even has the power to, limit Congress’ purview of the Supreme Court.

The Court would have to have jurisdiction. If the Congress constitutionally and specifically limited its jurisdiction then the answer it is not I that would deny an individual’s right to petition for his (federal) rights against a state power BUT the law of the land.

I don’t see how it would. Explain your concerns.

Why?

Hallelujah! Yes!

No, it’s not. As I said, Congress is a pansy ass institution that has ceded much of its power to the courts and the executive branch. They’ve allowed the other two branches to run roughshod over its inherent constitutional power and again they have willingly handed it over as well.

Part of the reason for that is the sheer size of the federal government. It is so gargantuan that Congress cannot possibly oversee it to the extent that Madison et al envisioned. That too is the fault of Congress. It passed the laws of enlargement and it funds the largesse.[/quote]

Push,

I gotta say, in this post and your follow up, you really knocked it out of the park. I have delayed in commenting as not to detract from your commentary due to a barrage of “Paulbot” cries. You gave me come “rabbit holes” to follow for a few days.

[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:
Newt’s Watching - Fox Analyst Can’t Say “Ron Paul” and “Best” in the Same Sentence

Wow.

This.

Keep it up guys. You’re going to sweep Paul into the Presidency.

Sexmachine,

I would like a critique from out resident “kid who still lives in mom’s basement.”

What say you?

[quote]JEATON wrote:

Sexmachine,

I would like a critique from out resident “kid who still lives in mom’s basement.”

What say you?[/quote]

I’m ain’t no kid.

1:00 - Iran may have the bomb he says. In any meaningful sense this is bullshit and I’m sure he knows it.

And Ron Paul also openly lies and says Iran aren’t trying to build a bomb. The next minute Paul says he can understand why they are trying to build a bomb - it’s because they’re not strong enough to defend themselves from our aggression. These people are liars. Here’s something closer to the truth if you’re interested:

2:37 - He lies again. He knows, as does everyone who follows the news that more than a dozen CIA assets were caught by Hezbollah/Iran just over month ago.

2:55 - He mentions that Iran is developing EMP technology and nuclear weapons. Ron Paul denies this.

3:05 - Biggest joke of all - he calls the current Iranian regime ‘painfully rational’ - what more needs to be said?

Voddie Baucham weighs in on Ron Paul’s candidacy.

Why Ron Paul?
date Jan 16, 2012
author Voddie Baucham topics & issues Politics, World View
“Voddie, because I have a great respect for you and your opinion I would really like to know why you are voting for Ron Paul ? I have not liked some of the things I have heard him say and I am wondering if I missed something?” -Pamela Wolfe (via Facebook Fan Page)

Since posting a passing comment on my Facebook fan page about Ron Paul, I have been inundated with questions and concerns about my support of the Texas Congressman in the current Republican Primary race. In one of my many political posts (frequently, I post videos, news articles, etc., in an effort to show the importance and influence of worldview), I simply stated that I voted for Dr. Paul in the last election, and planned to vote for him again.

The result was hundreds of comments; more than any other post Iâ??ve ever submitted. Most of the comments were positive. However, several were extremely negative. Some vowed never to follow, or support my ministry any further, while others simply communicated their dismay. Still others, like today’s questioner, just asked honest questions. As a result, Iâ??ve decided to explain my position, and this seemed like the best place to do it.

Let me say ahead of time that I do not believe that politics will save America. Nor do I believe there are any perfect candidates. There never have been, and there never will be. Moreover, it is not my goal to answer every objection to the Paul candidacy as I know that there are those who, for various reasons, will not be persuaded, and more importantly, thatâ??s not my job. My goal here is to offer insight in to my own reasoning as I wade through another political season and make a personal choice.
I. Ron Paul is a Christian Conservative

While I am not looking for a â??Pastor-in-Chief,â?? it is important to me that the man for whom I cast my vote be a Christian, if at all possible. And though I recognize that there is not always a clear Christian choice (i.e., the 2008 election), I agree with Chief Justice John Jay who wrote, â??Providence has given to our people the choice of their rulers, and it is the duty as well as the privilege and interest of our Christian nation to select and prefer Christians for their rulers."[1] For indeed, â??Before any man can be considered as a member of Civil Society, he must be considered as a subject of the Governour of the Universe.â??[2] John Witherspoon concurs: â??Those, therefore, who pay no regard to religion and sobriety in the persons whom they send to [public office] are guilty of the greatest absurdity and will soon pay dear for their folly.â??[3] I think we are seeing this on display right now.[4]

My desire is not to see a president who will usurp the authority, responsibilities, or privileges of the Church. However, I do not wish to see those things hindered either. I also want to know that the foundational ideology motivating a manâ??s decisions is biblical. I know it will not always mirror my own, but I trust Godâ??s word, and appreciate those who look to it for aid in making decisions. To that end, I support Dr. Paul because he is not just a conservative, but a Christian Conservative.

Dr. Paul does not beat his Christian faith like a drum in his public/political life. Unfortunately, that is off-putting for the â??Christian Rightâ??. However, in a world full of â??posturingâ?? in an effort to win over evangelicals, I find Paulâ??s public demeanor refreshing. And it is not as though he is a â??closet Christian,â?? either. â??I have accepted Jesus Christ as my personal Savior, and I endeavor every day to follow Him in all I do and in every position I advocate,â?? wrote Paul on his Web site.[5] I have also had the privilege of talking with both him, and one of his five children about his faith and how it influences his policy positions.

Nevertheless, the more important aspect is the fact that this Southern Baptist (raised Lutheran) is a regular church attender. What would motivate a man to attend church, but not beat a drum about it in an effort to win over evangelicals in an age when political figures play at Christianity (while living totally contradictory lives, and holding heterodox beliefs) in order to assuage the fears of the Christian Right? Having met and talked to Dr. Paul, I would say it is authenticity, and humility more than anything else. He wants â??to avoid any appearance of exploiting [his faith] for political gain.â??[6]
II. Ron Paul is a Constitutional Conservative

Not only is Ron Paul a Christian Conservative; he is also a Constitutional Conservative. He holds himself accountable to the Constitution of the United States, even when it means he has to vote against legislation that may be otherwise beneficial. This has cost him on numerous occasions as people use the â??Ron Paul voted against so-and-soâ?? tactic to paint a caricature of him and play â??gotchaâ?? politics.
This is actually an important quality in a President. I donâ??t want a man in the White House making decisions based on what â??feelsâ?? right. Iâ??m not looking for a conscientious King; I want a Chief Executive. I want a man whose decisions are predictable because of a long track record of constitutional conservatism. I may not always agree with a man like that, but I will always know why he did what he did, and I can live with that. Especially in several crucial areas facing our Republic, like money, war, Statesâ?? Rights, and foreign policy, for example.
Constitutional Money

I support Ron Paul because he has a constitutional view of money. He is the only candidate consistently to confront the Federal Reserve Bank (which is not federal, has no reserves, and is not a bank), and address the issue of fiat currency (a.k.a. unjust weights and measures; Lev 19:36; Prov 16:11), which debases the dollar, manipulates business cycles, creates inflation, and always benefits the rich at the expense of the poor and disenfranchised. And he talks about the issue in just those terms.

Congressman Paul is also the only candidate who has a budget that will cut a TRILLION DOLLARS in spending in year one.[7] He is the only candidate who has committed to defund and eliminate expensive, unconstitutional agencies. This is crucial for a country headed for an economic cliff. Our debt is larger than our GDP and we simply must address it NOW (Luke 14:28)! This is arguably the most important issue we face, and while others want to tinker with the status quo, Dr. Paul wants to do the hard thing; the right thing; the biblical thing; the constitutional thing.
Constitutional War

I support Ron Paul because he is a military veteran (yup… he refuses to beat that drum too, which is why you may not have known that little tidbit). And though I do not believe it is necessary for a man to have served in the military for him to serve as President, the fact that Congressman Paul knows and hates war lends credibility to his desire and commitment to ending the wars and bringing our troops home. Moreover, he has a constitutional understanding of war (only Congress can send us to war), and a Christian commitment to historic Just War Theory (rooted in the Sixth Commandment… HIS WORDS).[8] He, unlike other candidates, can be counted on not to commit to acts of war without congressional authority (i.e., unilaterally deciding to bomb a sovereign nation if they advance their weapons technology in a region several thousand miles away from the U.S., under the watchful eye of a nation with over 300 nukes who can stop them in a heartbeat… but I digress).

There is a reason Dr. Paul has received more support from members of the military than all other candidates (Republican and Democrat) COMBINED! The top three employers of Ron Paulâ??s donors are the U.S. Army, Navy, and Air Force, respectively. Dr. Paul will not use our military to hunt down and overthrow heads of state without Congressional authority (i.e., Libya), kill American citizens without warrant,[9] detain citizens indefinitely without benefit of a trial,[10] or chase warlords in central Africa.[11] When it comes to war, Dr. Paul understands that, â??Whoever meddles in a quarrel not his own is like one who takes a passing dog by the ears.â?? (Proverbs 26:17)
Constitutional Statesâ?? Rights

I support Ron Paul because he not only understands, but believes in the Tenth Amendment. I know many Christians have been scared off by the â??Ron Paul wants to legalize drugs, gay marriage, and abortionâ?? rhetoric. However, looking beyond the rhetoric reveals Paulâ??s true constitutional conservatism (and biblical understanding of jurisdiction). He has personal convictions, but those will not be allowed to steer him away from his constitutional oath. The presidency, and the Federal Government have limits.

The President is not â??Pastor in Chief.â?? It is not the Presidentâ??s job (or the job of the Federal Government) to set such policies. The â??War on Drugs,â?? for example, has been a monumental, unconstitutional, fiscal failure (to the tune of more than $3 BILLION)![12] The Federal Government must be held within the confines of its enumerated powers. This is important for Christians because we will not always have people in the White House with whom we agree (in fact, politicians will always let us down). What happens when we send a man to the White House with the express purpose of â??changing the moral standardsâ?? of America in our favor, then, down the line we have a president who uses the same un-cheked powers to promote moral standards with which we disagree? Howâ??s that workinâ?? for yaâ???

But what about the moral issues to which we, as Christians, must speak? First, we must speak to them at the local level. I have no right to look to Washington, D.C. for remedies when I am not preaching on Mars Hill at every opportunity. The Roe v. Wade, for example, started in Texas; not D.C… Furthermore, there is not a single institution more prolific in the spread of moral decay than the government education system, and Ron Paul is the only man who plans to get the federal government out of that business by ending the (unconstitutional) Department of Education IMMEDIATELY (Luke 6:40).

Beyond that, if there are issues we wish to address on a federal level, we have a federal remedy, and it is not the election of a President; it is the amendment process. This is less favorable to those who do not wish to do the hard work of changing hearts and minds in the marketplace of ideas. However, the alternative is a quasi-monarchy (or oligarchy) that changes with the wind, and a view of the presidency that is both unbiblical and unconstitutional.
Constitutional Foreign Policy

I support Ron Paul because he has a constitutional view of foreign policy. Ironically, our foreign policy has been so unconstitutional for so long that many people recoil at the idea of getting it back in line. Moreover, the semantic game Paulâ??s opponents play (using â??isolationismâ?? as opposed to â??non-interventionâ?? to define his position) doesnâ??t help. For most Christians, this is where they believe Iâ??ve left the reservation. They may not say, â??We have to be the worldâ??s police force,â?? but I canâ??t tell you how many times Iâ??ve heard, â??Do you know his position on Israel?â?? â??Surely you canâ??t support a man who doesnâ??t support Israel!â??

Actually, nothing could be further from the truth. Ron Paul does support Israel. It is our current foreign policy that does not support Israel! However, there is a deeper issue here. There is a sort of misplaced Dispensationalism that governs peopleâ??s sentimental attitude toward Israel. Let me state clearly that I do not believe the Bible demands that the U.S. support Israel. I do, however, believe that it is wise to do so for geopolitical reasons. To do so for theological reasons, I believe, is actually misguided, and quite dangerous. Nevertheless, Israel is our only true ally in the Middle East, and that is important.

But thereâ??s a more important question: â??What does it mean to â??supportâ?? Israel?â?? Does it mean that Israel remains Godâ??s â??Chosen People,â?? and we must stand with them in anticipation of the coming Armageddon? Is the President to act as â??Commander in Chief of the United States Armed Forcesâ?? and â??Supreme Defender of Israelâ??? Or are we simply to make sure the foreign aid dollars donâ??t stop flowing? Here are a few things I took into to consideration in evaluating Congressman Paulâ??s foreign policy.

Israel is the most powerful nation in the Middle East... BY A LONG SHOT! In fact, Israel could potentially defeat all the other military powers in the Middle East simultaneously if they had to.
We not only give money to Israel; we give money to their enemies as well. That is not supporting Israel! That is using money to buy influence in a region thousands of miles away from us in the name of oil, when we happen to have the largest repository of oil on planet earth right here in the US, but refuse to go and get it (in the name of Earth-worshipping environmentalism)!
Israel is a sovereign nation, and we have no right to treat her like a child. Our foreign aid has been a tool used to influence Israelâ??s domestic policy for far too long. If we are their friends, we should allow them to exercise their sovereignty without our interference, and certainly without our condemnation. Who do we think we are? No, I disagree with my Christian brothers and sisters who think a country who supports Israelâ??s enemies, interferes with Israelâ??s domestic policy, condemnâ??s Israel in efforts to keep ties with oil-rich countries in the region, and helps to destabilize and radicalize one of Israelâ??s historic foes lurking on her southern boarder is engaging in a foreign policy that supports Israel.

III. Ron Paul is a Consistent Conservative

Finally, I support Dr. Paul because he has been a consistent conservative. He has been married to the same woman for more than fifty years; delivered over 4,000 babies as an OB; never performed a single abortion; has never voted for an unbalanced budget, a tax increase, or a bailout; forecasted the economic debacle long before it happened;[13] and gave back $140,000 last year through his office to pay down the national debt (100,000 in 2010). This man is so principled that he refuses to claim his congressional pension!

Ron Paul is the real deal. He is not perfect. He needs a savior just like you and I do (as noted by his trust in Christ as his redeemer). But when itâ??s all said and done, he is a man with whom I agree in principle. I know where heâ??s coming from, and itâ??s not based on his â??personal story,â?? or his sense of whatâ??s going to get him elected. Itâ??s the same thing heâ??s been running on (and governing from) for over three decades; the Constitution of the United States (viewed through the lens of a basic biblical world and life view). And Iâ??m glad to support a man like that.

[quote]JEATON wrote:

III. Ron Paul is a Consistent Conservative

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Can I ask you a few questions now Jeat?

  1. Was George McGovern a conservative?

  2. Is Dennis Kucinich a conservative?

  3. How does Ron Paul’s foreign policy differ from McGovern’s and Kucinich’s? How do his positions on drugs differ?

  4. Do you think unilateral disarmament is a conservative principle?

  5. How about legalizing/decriminalizing drugs? Is that a traditionally conservative principle?

  6. How about opening the Mexican border? Is that a conservative idea?

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]JEATON wrote:

III. Ron Paul is a Consistent Conservative

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  1. How about opening the Mexican border? Is that a conservative idea?[/quote]

Huh? Paul really isn’t my go to candidate but I can say that I like his stance on illegal immigration and that is ridiculous for you to say. By all means, continue your anti-Paul campaign but at least be truthful and not come up with misinformation.

[quote]farmerson12 wrote:

Huh? Paul really isn’t my go to candidate but I can say that I like his stance on illegal immigration and that is ridiculous for you to say.

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So you like what he said about the fence being designed to keep Americans in? Like whatever you want but don’t try to tell me Ron Paul is a conservative.

How about a 0% Income Tax?

Everything that Fruit Paul says there is wrong isn’t it?

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]farmerson12 wrote:

Huh? Paul really isn’t my go to candidate but I can say that I like his stance on illegal immigration and that is ridiculous for you to say.

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So you like what he said about the fence being designed to keep Americans in? Like whatever you want but don’t try to tell me Ron Paul is a conservative.[/quote]

Reference please? I’m having trouble finding him stating that

[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:
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Ron Paul is ahead on most online polls? Wow that must mean that he’s going to win. Either that or the 20 something crowd that lives on the Internet is stuffing the ballot box. Hmm…now which one could it be? Since all the latest polling data nation wide show Paul barely in double digits I guess I’m going to have to go with 20 something zealots voting 97 times each.

LOL—all this nonsense about Paul. All the words written all the thought behind those words and for what? He loses the nomination to Romney and goes back to being a Congressman from a tiny district.

YAWN.