[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:
BIg Government Conservative 
LOL, Chicken Hawk Love it ,Poor little Newt
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Except Newt told the truth.
Did Ron Paul lie about being â??drafted?â??
http://stevebussey.com/wp/2011/12/did-ron-paul-lie-about-being-drafted/
[quote]Sloth wrote:
Did Ron Paul lie about being Ă?Ă¢??drafted?Ă?Ă¢??
http://stevebussey.com/wp/2011/12/did-ron-paul-lie-about-being-drafted/[/quote]
Technically he did not get drafted. If would have been drafted he would have been in the Army and not the Air Force. Many people, including my dad, instead of being drafted into the Army selected to join the Air Force. That is what is referred to as âselective serviceâ. Itâs technically not being âdraftedâ but the end result is the same.
[quote]Sloth wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:
BIg Government Conservative LOL, Chicken Hawk Love it ,Poor little Newt
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Except Newt told the truth.
Did Ron Paul lie about being Ă¢??drafted?Ă¢??
http://stevebussey.com/wp/2011/12/did-ron-paul-lie-about-being-drafted/[/quote]
I agree with Lifty I believe the point is he served
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
[quote]Sloth wrote:
Did Ron Paul lie about being Ă?Ă¢??drafted?Ă?Ă¢??
http://stevebussey.com/wp/2011/12/did-ron-paul-lie-about-being-drafted/[/quote]
Technically he did not get drafted. If would have been drafted he would have been in the Army and not the Air Force. Many people, including my dad, instead of being drafted into the Army selected to join the Air Force instead. That is what is referred to as âselective serviceâ. Itâs technically not being âdraftedâ but the end result is the same.[/quote]
Then perhaps the next time he brings up someone elseâs draft status, heâd be charitable enough to point out that the person DID have a different situation than himself. He might actually explain that Newt and himself wouldnât have fallen under the same criteria. Paul was already out of medical school, and eligible. CNN fact checked and concluded that Newt was not eligible for the draft. But if Ron wants to reach back to then, and float out how he answered the draft (because he we eligible), well letâs examine that. He most likely got a notice from the Army and ran to the air force. Thanks, for your service Ron, I guess. But it has jack squat to do with Iran getting or not getting a nuke.
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]Sloth wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:
BIg Government Conservative LOL, Chicken Hawk Love it ,Poor little Newt
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Except Newt told the truth.
Did Ron Paul lie about being Ă?Ă¢??drafted?Ă?Ă¢??
http://stevebussey.com/wp/2011/12/did-ron-paul-lie-about-being-drafted/[/quote]
I agree with Lifty I believe the point is he served
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Because he had toâŚ
[quote]Sloth wrote:
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
[quote]Sloth wrote:
Did Ron Paul lie about being Ă??Ă?Ă¢??drafted?Ă??Ă?Ă¢??
http://stevebussey.com/wp/2011/12/did-ron-paul-lie-about-being-drafted/[/quote]
Technically he did not get drafted. If would have been drafted he would have been in the Army and not the Air Force. Many people, including my dad, instead of being drafted into the Army selected to join the Air Force instead. That is what is referred to as âselective serviceâ. Itâs technically not being âdraftedâ but the end result is the same.[/quote]
Then perhaps the next time he brings up someone elseâs draft status, heâd be charitable enough to point out that the person DID have a different situation than himself. He might actually explain that Newt and himself wouldnât have fallen under the same criteria. Paul was already out of medical school, and eligible. CNN fact checked and concluded that Newt was not eligible for the draft. But if Ron wants to reach back to then, and float out how he answered the draft (because he we eligible), well letâs examine that. He most likely got a notice from the Army and ran to the air force. Thanks, for your service Ron, I guess. But it has jack squat to do with Iran getting or not getting a nuke.[/quote]
Newt could have served if he wanted to. He didnât want to and then used his family as an excuse when Ron Paul also was in the same situation.
Gingrich, et al, who do not serve but then want to send others to die for them are COWARDS.
Newt Gingrich is a COWARD â like all the rest.
Every body I know that went to Nam was forced that is why it was so important to Jail Cassius Clay AKA Mohammad Ali
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
[quote]Sloth wrote:
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
[quote]Sloth wrote:
Did Ron Paul lie about being Ă???Ă???Ă??Ă?Ă¢??drafted?Ă???Ă???Ă??Ă?Ă¢??
http://stevebussey.com/wp/2011/12/did-ron-paul-lie-about-being-drafted/[/quote]
Technically he did not get drafted. If would have been drafted he would have been in the Army and not the Air Force. Many people, including my dad, instead of being drafted into the Army selected to join the Air Force instead. That is what is referred to as âselective serviceâ. Itâs technically not being âdraftedâ but the end result is the same.[/quote]
Then perhaps the next time he brings up someone elseâs draft status, heâd be charitable enough to point out that the person DID have a different situation than himself. He might actually explain that Newt and himself wouldnât have fallen under the same criteria. Paul was already out of medical school, and eligible. CNN fact checked and concluded that Newt was not eligible for the draft. But if Ron wants to reach back to then, and float out how he answered the draft (because he we eligible), well letâs examine that. He most likely got a notice from the Army and ran to the air force. Thanks, for your service Ron, I guess. But it has jack squat to do with Iran getting or not getting a nuke.[/quote]
Newt could have served if he wanted to. He didnât want to and then used his family as an excuse when Ron Paul also was in the same situation.
Gingrich, et al, who do not serve but then want to send others to die for them are COWARDS.
Newt Gingrich is a COWARD â like all the rest.
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False, they were not in the same situation. Ron Paul was a Medical School graduate (they did want surgeons) already.
Or in other words, used a legal means to avoid the army. Thatâs fine, Iâm not here to prosecute participation in Vietnam. But donât get all high and mighty because his name came up, and Newtâs didnât.
âI actually have some personal experience about the military draft because I was in the middle of my medical training during the Cuban crisis. I was a resident for a hospital in 1962 when the crisis broke out. I got a note that said I would be drafted into the army as a buck private unless I wanted to volunteer, then I could be a doctor and I could be a captain.â
His situation was different. Heâd been through medical school.
[quote]Sloth wrote:
False, they were not in the same situation. Ron Paul was a Medical School graduate (they did want surgeons) already.[/quote]
Bullshit. The Army always needs cooks and broom pushers. Heâs a fucking COWARD and you are draft dodger sympathizer. You are un-American and should move to Canada.
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
[quote]Sloth wrote:
False, they were not in the same situation. Ron Paul was a Medical School graduate (they did want surgeons) already.[/quote]
Bullshit. The Army always needs cooks and broom pushers. Heâs a fucking COWARD and you are draft dodger sympathizer. You are un-American and should move to Canada.[/quote]
Sorry fella, get a new line of attack. Itâs public record, and has been checked. Newt didnât dodge the draft.
[quote]Sloth wrote:
Sorry fella, get a new line of attack. Itâs public record, and has been checked. Newt didnât dodge the draft.[/quote]
Great! So at the very least heâs still a COWARD and you are a COWARD sympathizer.
That COWARD has no business being the Commander-in-Chief.
People in the military know who they want their Commander-in-Chief to be:
If you âsupport the troopsâ you would listen to them.
[quote]Sloth wrote:
Or in other words, used a legal means to avoid the army. Thatâs fine, Iâm not here to prosecute participation in Vietnam. But donât get all high and mighty because his name came up, and Newtâs didnât.
âI actually have some personal experience about the military draft because I was in the middle of my medical training during the Cuban crisis. I was a resident for a hospital in 1962 when the crisis broke out. I got a note that said I would be drafted into the army as a buck private unless I wanted to volunteer, then I could be a doctor and I could be a captain.â
His situation was different. Heâd been through medical school.
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If he was in the Berry Plan, why not simply say so?
[quote]DrSkeptix wrote:
[quote]Sloth wrote:
Or in other words, used a legal means to avoid the army. Thatâs fine, Iâm not here to prosecute participation in Vietnam. But donât get all high and mighty because his name came up, and Newtâs didnât.
âI actually have some personal experience about the military draft because I was in the middle of my medical training during the Cuban crisis. I was a resident for a hospital in 1962 when the crisis broke out. I got a note that said I would be drafted into the army as a buck private unless I wanted to volunteer, then I could be a doctor and I could be a captain.â
His situation was different. Heâd been through medical school.
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If he was in the Berry Plan, why not simply say so?
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Because, I admittedly didnât know enough about it, including this title. I only understood this much from checking up on recent articles. I did get the idea that potential surgeons would be, I donât know, earmarked, in the draft process. But until your contribution, still hadnât stumbled on the actual âBerry Plan.â
And again, this isnât an attack on Paul âescaping the army draft to be a volunteer doctor.â This is my disgust at his using what would largely be ignorance among the audience, to compare Newt and himself. They had a had very different eligibility due to Paul having completed medical school.
[quote]Sloth wrote:
[quote]DrSkeptix wrote:
[quote]Sloth wrote:
Or in other words, used a legal means to avoid the army. Thatâs fine, Iâm not here to prosecute participation in Vietnam. But donât get all high and mighty because his name came up, and Newtâs didnât.
âI actually have some personal experience about the military draft because I was in the middle of my medical training during the Cuban crisis. I was a resident for a hospital in 1962 when the crisis broke out. I got a note that said I would be drafted into the army as a buck private unless I wanted to volunteer, then I could be a doctor and I could be a captain.â
His situation was different. Heâd been through medical school.
[/quote]
If he was in the Berry Plan, why not simply say so?
[/quote]
Because, I admittedly didnât know enough about it, including this title. I only understood this much from checking up on recent articles. I did get the idea that potential surgeons would be, I donât know, earmarked, in the draft process. But until your contribution, still hadnât stumbled on the actual âBerry Plan.â
And again, this isnât an attack on Paul âescaping the army draft to be a volunteer doctor.â This is my disgust at his using what would largely be ignorance among the audience, to compare Newt and himself. They had a had very different eligibility due to Paul having completed medical school. [/quote]
True, Paul was worth more than mere cannonfodder and Newt the âhistorianâ was kind of not.
However, when Newt was âcalled to serve his countryâ he was not exactly rushing to do so, as one would expect given his rhetoric.
Paul comes out and says quite clearly that he had to chance to push a broom or hold a scalpel so he chose the latter.
Would Paul have preferred to stay at home? Maybe.
However, unlike Newt he was not completely worthless so he had to go âserve his countryâ.
I would suggest that very little has changed in the meantime.
I think people today think things have always been this way. Popular feelings of war at that time were that of loathe. NO ONE wanted to go kill people , they would have felt it a sin or thought some one that wanted to go kill some one as deranged .Nam was a VERY unpopular war. The only people I know of that beat the draft were those that were VERY WELL connected
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]Sloth wrote:
[quote]DrSkeptix wrote:
[quote]Sloth wrote:
Or in other words, used a legal means to avoid the army. Thatâs fine, Iâm not here to prosecute participation in Vietnam. But donât get all high and mighty because his name came up, and Newtâs didnât.
âI actually have some personal experience about the military draft because I was in the middle of my medical training during the Cuban crisis. I was a resident for a hospital in 1962 when the crisis broke out. I got a note that said I would be drafted into the army as a buck private unless I wanted to volunteer, then I could be a doctor and I could be a captain.â
His situation was different. Heâd been through medical school.
[/quote]
If he was in the Berry Plan, why not simply say so?
[/quote]
Because, I admittedly didnât know enough about it, including this title. I only understood this much from checking up on recent articles. I did get the idea that potential surgeons would be, I donât know, earmarked, in the draft process. But until your contribution, still hadnât stumbled on the actual âBerry Plan.â
And again, this isnât an attack on Paul âescaping the army draft to be a volunteer doctor.â This is my disgust at his using what would largely be ignorance among the audience, to compare Newt and himself. They had a had very different eligibility due to Paul having completed medical school. [/quote]
True, Paul was worth more than mere cannonfodder and Newt the âhistorianâ was kind of not.
However, when Newt was âcalled to serve his countryâ he was not exactly rushing to do so, as one would expect given his rhetoric.
Paul comes out and says quite clearly that he had to chance to push a broom or hold a scalpel so he chose the latter.
Would Paul have preferred to stay at home? Maybe.
However, unlike Newt he was not completely worthless so he had to go âserve his countryâ.
I would suggest that very little has changed in the meantime.[/quote]
Maybe? He was drafted, technically. Newt wasnât. One had a Medical Degree, the other didnât. Ron Paul created a dishonest comparison. End of story.
[quote]Sloth wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]Sloth wrote:
[quote]DrSkeptix wrote:
[quote]Sloth wrote:
Or in other words, used a legal means to avoid the army. Thatâs fine, Iâm not here to prosecute participation in Vietnam. But donât get all high and mighty because his name came up, and Newtâs didnât.
âI actually have some personal experience about the military draft because I was in the middle of my medical training during the Cuban crisis. I was a resident for a hospital in 1962 when the crisis broke out. I got a note that said I would be drafted into the army as a buck private unless I wanted to volunteer, then I could be a doctor and I could be a captain.â
His situation was different. Heâd been through medical school.
[/quote]
If he was in the Berry Plan, why not simply say so?
[/quote]
Because, I admittedly didnât know enough about it, including this title. I only understood this much from checking up on recent articles. I did get the idea that potential surgeons would be, I donât know, earmarked, in the draft process. But until your contribution, still hadnât stumbled on the actual âBerry Plan.â
And again, this isnât an attack on Paul âescaping the army draft to be a volunteer doctor.â This is my disgust at his using what would largely be ignorance among the audience, to compare Newt and himself. They had a had very different eligibility due to Paul having completed medical school. [/quote]
True, Paul was worth more than mere cannonfodder and Newt the âhistorianâ was kind of not.
However, when Newt was âcalled to serve his countryâ he was not exactly rushing to do so, as one would expect given his rhetoric.
Paul comes out and says quite clearly that he had to chance to push a broom or hold a scalpel so he chose the latter.
Would Paul have preferred to stay at home? Maybe.
However, unlike Newt he was not completely worthless so he had to go âserve his countryâ.
I would suggest that very little has changed in the meantime.[/quote]
Maybe? He was drafted, technically. Newt wasnât. One had a Medical Degree, the other didnât. Ron Paul created a dishonest comparison. End of story.
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You seem to ignore that Paul was drafted because he was a competent human being whereas Gingrich was not as sought after because he was, kind of, not.
However, he could have gone if he had wanted to.
He just really, really did not.
[quote]orion wrote:
You seem to ignore that Paul was drafted because he was a competent human being whereas Gingrich was not as sought after because he was, kind of, not.
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Donât just say stuff, to have something to say.