Ron Paul On The Record

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]orion wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
orion wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
orion wrote:
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were Ron Paul made 5th.

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So when other candidates use the same tactics Paul doesn’t stand a chance.

But they cannot afford to, and he can.

So much to his small war chest and how much it matters.

It also means that other people do not protest on principle, but on the grounds that they have too little money and/or supporters.

It means that they know straw polls are a waste of time and resources and they would rather focus on other things.

Why do they spend millions on them then?
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It seems they only spend on a few of them to create a buzz. The major candidates tend to ignore the rest of them while the minor candidates worry about them.

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[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
orion wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
orion wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
orion wrote:
…
were Ron Paul made 5th.

…

So when other candidates use the same tactics Paul doesn’t stand a chance.

But they cannot afford to, and he can.

So much to his small war chest and how much it matters.

It also means that other people do not protest on principle, but on the grounds that they have too little money and/or supporters.

It means that they know straw polls are a waste of time and resources and they would rather focus on other things.

Why do they spend millions on them then?

It seems they only spend on a few of them to create a buzz. The major candidates tend to ignore the rest of them while the minor candidates worry about them.[/quote]

If they could get the “buzz” as cheaply as Ron Paul can, they would. They just can`t.

However, I am very confused now.

They either matter, or they dont, then it is either unfair to buy them, or it isnt and either way they do not count except that they create a “buzz”.

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[quote]orion wrote:
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If they could get the “buzz” as cheaply as Ron Paul can, they would. They just can`t.

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Paul’s buzz is in a very small group. Most people still don’t know much about him. He is the most successful second tier candidate but that is all his is.

Seems that way.

The people that run the straw polls seem to care a bit. That is why they are taking steps to keep them as accurate as possible.

The major candidates care much less, that is why they are skipping some of them altogether.

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[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
It is not illegal or immoral or overly expensive either. While Paul does not have the money to compete with the big boys he certainly can afford this.

It does screw up straw polls if one candidate is bussing in voters and another is not. [/quote]

I still don’t see the point you - and the blog you linked to - are trying to make. But let’s drop the whole bus thing for now for lack of evidence.

If Paul is so irrelevant, you wouldn’t be all on his back trying to discredit him.

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[quote]lixy wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
It is not illegal or immoral or overly expensive either. While Paul does not have the money to compete with the big boys he certainly can afford this.

It does screw up straw polls if one candidate is bussing in voters and another is not.

I still don’t see the point you - and the blog you linked to - are trying to make. But let’s drop the whole bus thing for now for lack of evidence.

If Paul is so irrelevant, you wouldn’t be all on his back trying to discredit him.[/quote]

Who is discrediting him (besides Mick). This is a thread to discuss his record. There a few things I don’t like about it so I brought up the subject.

One last word about the bus thing, there is nothing inherently wrong with what he is doing, neither is there anything wrong with the people running the straw polls taking measures to level the playing field.

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The only reason I don’t support Ron Paul is because I’m afraid of being truly free.

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Boy those very few internet spammers sure have deep pockets :slight_smile:

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[quote]Mick28 wrote:
Hey come on now Zap let’s be fair. I’m not really discrediting him as much as I’m completely discrediting his very wacky (and small) group of supporters.
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What is wacky about wanting to be free?
What is wacky about wanting the government to leave me alone?
What is wacky about not wanting to engage in needless war?
What is wacky about wanting to keep the fruit of my labor?
What is wacky about wanting a stable currency?
What is wacky about the freedom of choice?

If this is wacky then color me fruity and poor me another Kool-aid.

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[quote]Mick28 wrote:

Hey come on now Zap let’s be fair. I’m not really discrediting him as much as I’m completely discrediting his very wacky (and small) group of supporters.[/quote]

Exactly. No one is discrediting Ron Paul - the perpetual whine aside.

Paul is criticized and disagreed with, and the limits of his campaign are noted. That’s it. In fact, I think Paul brings an important voice to the GOP debate.

His legions of moonbats aren’t so much being discredited, but educated on what reality is actually like, should they ever consider that option.

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[quote]Mick28 wrote:

Okay, that was funny. Seriously, we’re all for those things but we don’t go to the lengths that the Paul Internet supporters have.

And that’s really what’s so very, very strange about his campaign.[/quote]

Isn’t it also rather odd that an anarchist-libertarian would draw his paycheck from the state?

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[quote]Mick28 wrote:
LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
Mick28 wrote:
Hey come on now Zap let’s be fair. I’m not really discrediting him as much as I’m completely discrediting his very wacky (and small) group of supporters.

What is wacky about wanting to be free?
What is wacky about wanting the government to leave me alone?
What is wacky about not wanting to engage in needless war?
What is wacky about wanting to keep the fruit of my labor?
What is wacky about wanting a stable currency?
What is wacky about the freedom of choice?

If this is wacky then color me fruity and poor me another Kool-aid.

Okay, that was funny. Seriously, we’re all for those things but we don’t go to the lengths that the Paul Internet supporters have.

And that’s really what’s so very, very strange about his campaign.[/quote]

230 years ago people rebelled against a government that was far less intrusive.

Fruitloops, all of them.

You obviously have no real appreciation for American values.

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[quote]orion wrote:
Mick28 wrote:
LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
Mick28 wrote:
Hey come on now Zap let’s be fair. I’m not really discrediting him as much as I’m completely discrediting his very wacky (and small) group of supporters.

What is wacky about wanting to be free?
What is wacky about wanting the government to leave me alone?
What is wacky about not wanting to engage in needless war?
What is wacky about wanting to keep the fruit of my labor?
What is wacky about wanting a stable currency?
What is wacky about the freedom of choice?

If this is wacky then color me fruity and poor me another Kool-aid.

Okay, that was funny. Seriously, we’re all for those things but we don’t go to the lengths that the Paul Internet supporters have.

And that’s really what’s so very, very strange about his campaign.

230 years ago people rebelled against a government that was far less intrusive.

Fruitloops, all of them.

You obviously have no real appreciation for American values.

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They rebelled because they had no representation. There would have been no revolution if England treated the colonists as full English citizens.

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[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
orion wrote:
Mick28 wrote:
LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
Mick28 wrote:
Hey come on now Zap let’s be fair. I’m not really discrediting him as much as I’m completely discrediting his very wacky (and small) group of supporters.

What is wacky about wanting to be free?
What is wacky about wanting the government to leave me alone?
What is wacky about not wanting to engage in needless war?
What is wacky about wanting to keep the fruit of my labor?
What is wacky about wanting a stable currency?
What is wacky about the freedom of choice?

If this is wacky then color me fruity and poor me another Kool-aid.

Okay, that was funny. Seriously, we’re all for those things but we don’t go to the lengths that the Paul Internet supporters have.

And that’s really what’s so very, very strange about his campaign.

230 years ago people rebelled against a government that was far less intrusive.

Fruitloops, all of them.

You obviously have no real appreciation for American values.

They rebelled because they had no representation. There would have been no revolution if England treated the colonists as full English citizens.[/quote]

No taxation without representation makes a good slogan, but we both know that it was prewar propaganda.

British soldiers knocking down doors and searching for stamps on luxury goods and confiscating anything remotely suspicous had probably more to do with it.

Those taxes on luxury goods also threathened the income of the most wealthy merchants.

Then of course Thomas Paine`s “Common sense”.

Plus the English crown had no citizens, they had subjects and Jefferson probably had problems bending his knees.

Thanks to modern medicine most people do no longer share this problem.

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[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
Mick28 wrote:

Okay, that was funny. Seriously, we’re all for those things but we don’t go to the lengths that the Paul Internet supporters have.

And that’s really what’s so very, very strange about his campaign.

Isn’t it also rather odd that an anarchist-libertarian would draw his paycheck from the state?

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He is no anarcho capitalist but a minarchist.

Strawman.

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About time.

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[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VCiCBjhNR78

About time.[/quote]

Summary? I can’t youtube here.