Ron Paul On The Record

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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I addressed all of those points when you first raised them.

And the second time, and the third…

Anyhow, today’s debate at the University of Nevada, Reno is at 7 PM (local time?)

I’ll post links as they surface.

Edit- It seems as if this debate may not be taking place, after all. Wikipedia had it wrong.(?)

I’d like to take the opportunity to post the dumbest article I’ve seen so far that was written in support of Ron Paul. Here it is:

The author impugns the “guilt-by-association” tactic when it is used against Ron Paul by leftists.

But the title of his article reads as follows:

[b]Ron Paul Is Really Pissing Off The Socialists

He must be doing something right.[/b]

So, in practice, the author has no qualms against judging Ron Paul by his association (or lack thereof) with certain parties. His tactic is a mirror image of the one which he decries in the same article.

He takes issue with the following depiction of Ron Paul from DailyKOS:

I have to say, that’s a completely accurate depiction of Ron Paul from a left-wing world view. I disagree with it fundamentally, but not on a superficial level.

Judging people by their associations is not disingenuous, it’s how individuals form opinions. Major ideas are formed around hundreds of associations which coalesce to form a neuro-linguistic hierarchy of thoughts. Experience precedes knowledge, and the brain weaves neurological connections (associations) from one experience to the next. The “network” is constantly being expanded.

Populist campaigns always leave a bad taste in my mouth. I felt better supporting Ron Paul when he was only known to a small faction of libertarian intellectuals and economists.

Ironically, the fact that there are dumb people who support Ron Paul is probably the best indicator that he might actually win. So, three cheers for that news, I guess…

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10 Reasons Why Ron Paul Should be Vice President

Interesting article. Quite convincing.

The conventional wisdom is that Paul is too far outside the establishment to ever be included on an establishment ticket. But if you can overlook that for a second, the possibilty of him as VP is an alluring one, for all the reasons given in the article.

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[quote]Mick28 wrote:

  1. History, when is the last time a Congressman was elected to the Presidency—look it up.

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It was your president’s dad. When was the last time a US Senator was voted in as President? Look it up.

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[quote]Nominal Prospect wrote:
10 Reasons Why Ron Paul Should be Vice President

Interesting article. Quite convincing.

The conventional wisdom is that Paul is too far outside the establishment to ever be included on an establishment ticket. But if you can overlook that for a second, the possibilty of him as VP is an alluring one, for all the reasons given in the article.[/quote]

Not convincing in the least because Paul is so sharply different from all the other Republican candidates on the predominant foreign policy issue - the Iraq war. No GOP candidate would be interested - how would a GOP candidate march around the nation making the case for “staying in Iraq”, “Iraq is a front on the war on terror”, etc. (as the GOP candidates uniformly do on this issue) when Paul would be on the campaign trail saying the exact opposite as part of a national ticket?

Forget ideology - that just doesn’t make common sense.

As is par for the course with Ron Paul discourse, pragmatic reality is replaced with wishful thinking. The person who penned this is, well, dumb.

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Ron Paul Wins By Landslide in Alabama Straw Poll

Tom Tancredo - 0 (0%)
Sam Brownback - 2 (.75%)
John McCain - 2 (.75%)
Mike Huckabee - 6 (2%)
Rudy Giuliani - 7 (3%)
Fred Dalton Thompson - 9 (3%)
Duncan Hunter - 10 (4%)
Mitt Romney - 14 (5%)
Ron Paul - 216 (81%)

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Ron Paul Wins NH Straw Poll

Ron takes the Strafford County, NH, GOP straw poll today by another landslide:

Out of 286 votes cast:

Ron - 208 (73%)
Romney - 26
Huckabee - 20
Tancredo - 8
McCain - 7
Cox - 5
Hunter - 5
Fred Thompson - 3
Giuliani - 3
Brownback - 1

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[quote]mstott25 wrote:
Mick28 wrote:

  1. History, when is the last time a Congressman was elected to the Presidency—look it up.

It was your president’s dad. When was the last time a US Senator was voted in as President? Look it up. [/quote]

If you are talking about Bush, his father went from VP to president. I think he was a congressman about 20 years before he was president.

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[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
how would a GOP candidate march around the nation making the case for “staying in Iraq”, “Iraq is a front on the war on terror”, etc.[/quote]

One indeed wonders how anyone would buy their arguments.

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[quote]lixy wrote:
thunderbolt23 wrote:
how would a GOP candidate march around the nation making the case for “staying in Iraq”, “Iraq is a front on the war on terror”, etc.

One indeed wonders how anyone would buy their arguments.[/quote]

Lixy, I realize you are a parrot trained to say a few stock phrases, but try and stick to the point of the discussion - if you can.

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These straw polls are very interesting. How are these people selected? Why are they so strong for Paul?

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[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
These straw polls are very interesting. How are these people selected? Why are they so strong for Paul?[/quote]

Good question! And when I see so much about RP here, it does make me wonder.

I just don’t see a people so addicted to big government electing a man like Mr. Paul, though. But, I’d love to be wrong there.

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[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
lixy wrote:
thunderbolt23 wrote:
how would a GOP candidate march around the nation making the case for “staying in Iraq”, “Iraq is a front on the war on terror”, etc.

One indeed wonders how anyone would buy their arguments.

Lixy, I realize you are a parrot trained to say a few stock phrases, but try and stick to the point of the discussion - if you can.
[/quote]

His cell leaders will be pissed that you were able to discern that he was ‘trained’. Back to the drawing board for them…:smiley:

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[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
These straw polls are very interesting. How are these people selected? Why are they so strong for Paul?
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They are not selected. They are just motivated to go out of their way to a polling site and vote. Just like in a real election except it isn’t as convenient. He is motivating the left fringe and centrists so much that he should be scaring the neocons out of their wits. How many non-registered voters do you think he has convinced to register as Republican in the states that require party affiliation to vote in primaries? That will be the telling figure. These are the people that phone polls do not call.

Why are they motivated? They are motivated by Dr. Paul because they don’t like any of the other candidates and they probably believe his message to be true and accurate–his is the only one that has been defined thoroughly enough to understand where he is on what issues. No other candidate has been as clear cut as him, on either side. Add that to his solid congressional record and honorable, principled demeanor and you can kiss the “last-time-a-congressman-was-voted-into-executive-office statistic” bye-bye.

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[quote]Headhunter wrote:
I just don’t see a people so addicted to big government electing a man like Mr. Paul, though. But, I’d love to be wrong there.
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Power to the young people. Let’s hope they are smarter than their parents. I wish I could wear my Ron Paul T-shirt into the classroom.

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[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
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Y’know, at least when he speaks you don’t have to figure your way through intense doublespeak.

Maybe this effect will rub off on the rest of the political arena? Nah, what am I thinking!

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[quote]Mick28 wrote:
mstott25 wrote:
Mick28 wrote:

  1. History, when is the last time a Congressman was elected to the Presidency—look it up.

It was your president’s dad. When was the last time a US Senator was voted in as President? Look it up.

My President, as in Bush?

LOL, I’m not a Bush fan, never was.

Furthermore, The senior Bush was a two term Vice President just prior to becoming President.

The last time a Sen was voted in as President was JFK, didn’t have to look it up, that was an easy one.

But…guess what? A sitting Congressman is NOT going to be elected to the Presidency, at least not one named Ron Paul.

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I’m just wondering what your point was since as you just now stated yourself the last senator to get elected was JFK and the two leading democratic candidates are senators. I think your arguments against Ron Paul are fundamentally weak and misdirected.

You are allowing the mainstream media and radio talk show hosts to decide who your president will be rather than pick the candidate who represents the strongest message. I do not understand why anybody would willingly base their vote on the criteria you have submitted. Money? Appeal? Charisma?

Are you looking for a televangelist or a President? Your posts would have much more credit if you were to take a few moments of your time and become familiar with Ron Paul’s arguments.

The polls you keep dismissing as “meaningless” are in fact enough to get the attention of the major media organizations. Have you taken any time to visit the MSNBC or Fox News national polls following the debates?

I have read many of your posts and I have yet to hear one cogent argument against Ron Paul’s stance. If you were to take all the time you spent spouting off about what it takes to become an American President and use that to read one of Ron Paul’s speeches or publications then it might be enough to wake you up to the government that uninformed citizens have allowed to take over our country.

“Let it be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it’s realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy.” - Ron Paul July 10, 2003