Ron Paul On The Record

[quote]Midwest_Man wrote:
Has anyone else pointed out that this Ron Paul thread is far and away more active than any other thread concerning any other candidates?

Any theories as to why the T-Nation folks want to talk so much about Ron Paul?
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Maybe because his ideas, while old, appear rather fresh in this day an age of talking points, focus groups and framing.

Most of the other candidates seem rather interchangeable, with only their main focus differing much. They could run on each other’s program (among the same party, of course) and you probably wouldn’t even notice the difference.

[quote]orion wrote:

Would you care to explain why your opinion does not seem to supported by statistical data?[/quote]

How much of the percentage jumps can be attributed to defense spending - very much an express function of the federal government under the US Constitution - and how much is attributed to other welfare/administrative projects at the federal level?

A rise in percentage in spending is not enough - what was the money spent on?

EDIT: typo, changed “GDP” to “percentage in spending”

[quote]vroom wrote:

But, the kool-aid tastes really good![/quote]

Well done, Vroom, another banal insult - as much as you have been savaged in the past, exposing your amateurishness, why do you insist on trying to provoke more?

[quote]orion wrote:
thunderbolt23 wrote:

I think now more than ever, that is as close to being right as it can. But while the Right has flirted with “big government”, I think it has no staying power in this field because conservatives are dragging it back.

You posted this several times now.

http://www.intelligentguess.com/blog/2007/04/09/usa-relationship-between-total-debt-data-from-1929-and-external-debt-as-a-of-the-gdp-data-from-1995/

Would you care to explain why your opinion does not seem to supported by statistical data?
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I think the more telling fact in your graphs (and they are soooo pretty) is who controlled congress. It was democrats up until 1994, and your graphs show a decided downturn from 1994 through 2001.

What could have happened in 2001 to reverse that course? Oh, right…war. And even then the spike is lower than it was for WWII.

But please don’t make the mistake of thinking republicans, rather elected republicans, are even close to being conservative anymore. They are as power hungry and greedy as Tip O’Neil, or Rostenkowski ever were. They just attend different conventions.

And to vroom - contribute or fuck off. You really don’t want to start your vagina chronicles today.

[quote]rainjack wrote:
And to vroom - contribute or fuck off. You really don’t want to start your vagina chronicles today.
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Get a life you two.

If it wasn’t me making the crack you’d have no issue with it. Neither of you own this forum, and honestly, complaining about every post I make is the real vagina monologue.

See Pookie’s response for a more appropriate way to deal with such a thing.

[center]High-Risk Spending

by Ron Paul[/center]

Last week this column addressed the train wreck that federal spending has become. To score political points politicians will make loud noise about fairly small matters such as earmarks, even while refusing to address the real problem.

Namely, that our federal government is too big and does too much. Politicians prefer to pass a bill or create a program every time somebody points to a new social problem; this way they can tell their constituents how much they are doing to help.

Instead of rationally explaining the proper role of government, politicians have attempted to play the role of friend, preacher, parent, social worker, etcetera – in essence, whatever any organized special interest can demand.

Waste, fraud and abuse are often easy targets. Everybody knows a story of the government doing something absolutely ridiculous and wasteful. Plus, recent headlines have been packed with stories of corruption in Washington.

One thing that has not drawn enough attention is the link between the size of government and the mismanagement that leads to wasted money. If the government was restrained within its proper constitutional functions, it would be far better managed and much more readily would proper oversight occur.

You see, while waste, fraud and abuse are very easy to attack, it seems they are much more difficult to actually address within the current federal behemoth. For example, the General Accounting Office (GAO) puts out a “high risk list” and describes this list as programs with “vulnerabilities to fraud, waste and abuse and mismanagement.”

There are currently 27 programs and operations on this list, up from 26 last year. But here are the more surprising facts: The list was originated with 14 programs in 1990. Of those original 14 programs, from 17 years ago, only 8 have been removed. How can it be that 6 programs remain on such a list nearly two decades later? While government is supposed to move slowly, this is ridiculous.

What the GAO is saying is that a problem exists, we have been aware of it for 17 years, and it is still not corrected. Of course, with the size and scope of federal activity, including attempting to rebuild societies in the middle east, and massively expanding federal involvement in education (along with thousands of other “programs”), it is small wonder that this list doesn’t really get addressed.

Yet it does seem reasonable to ask “If you can’t stop waste in 6 federal programs after 17 years, how exactly will you improve local schools or foreign nations?”

In the time that the GAO list has existed, there have been 33 additions and a mere 18 removals, including two this year. Only when the people demand the federal government stop trying to meet any and all demands, and instead return to a constitutionally limited republic, will the list of programs subject to waste, fraud and abuse be dramatically reduced.

While government will never be perfect, a limited government is far more able to not only identify problems, but to actually correct them.

[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Because extreme people with loony followers are more interesting than the middle of the road. It does not mean he would be a good president.[/quote]

As long as you also recognize it wouldn’t necessarily make him a bad one…just for consistency’s sake.

Final results of Thursday’s Illinois straw poll:

  1. Mitt Romney �?? 40.35%

  2. Fred Thompson �?? 19.96%

  3. Ron Paul �?? 18.87%

  4. Rudy Giuliani �?? 11.61%

  5. John McCain �?? 4.12%

  6. Mike Huckabee �?? 3.04%

  7. Sam Brownback �?? 1.08%

  8. Duncan Hunter - .65%

  9. Tom Tancrado - .33%

[quote]Moriarty wrote:
Final results of Thursday’s Illinois straw poll:

  1. Mitt Romney �?? 40.35%

  2. Fred Thompson �?? 19.96%

  3. Ron Paul �?? 18.87%

  4. Rudy Giuliani �?? 11.61%

  5. John McCain �?? 4.12%

  6. Mike Huckabee �?? 3.04%

  7. Sam Brownback �?? 1.08%

  8. Duncan Hunter - .65%

  9. Tom Tancrado - .33%[/quote]

Interesting, just as I predicted.

It must have been a rural poll. I’d imagine that Giuliani would have fared better in Chicago.

There is another one coming up in Texas. Will be interesting to see how Ron Paul does there.

Good video, Tucker+Buchanan:

MSNBC is the network to watch right now.

I have to admit, I still think the guy has a chance, and I think he’s doing better than ever.

[quote]Mick28 wrote:
Nominal Prospect wrote:

I have to admit, I still think the guy has a chance, and I think he’s doing better than ever.

Why don’t you just sit back and wait patiently until the serious primaries get here and then you actually see how much of a chance that he has…which is, as I have been predicting, no chance at all.

And I’m still waiting for that apology for misquoting me. You think you might review my posts in between Paul rallies?[/quote]

Because the purpose of a discussion board is to discuss, and that’s what I’m doing.

I haven’t got enough time to search this thread at the moment.

At the moment, Ron Paul is in the top 5 but he needs to be in the top 3. People tend to forget that, come Sept 1, there will be a mere 3 months left to this campaign before the fireworks start. At this point in time, Ron’s got no chance of winning the Iowa primary, while Mitt has got it locked up. Something needs to change on that front between now and Jan 14. Maybe Brownback and Huckabee will run out of cash and drop out, giving Ron a bump, but we don’t know that.

I don’t like everything I’m seeing from his supporters. Too many people are confusing why he should win with why he “will” win. That is not to imply that he can’t win, but the two are separate claims which require separate arguments.

Some people claim that it “doesn’t matter” that the MSM continues to largely ignore him. They’re mistaken. Like William Wallace, Paul needs to defeat the enemy on their own turf in order to prove his legitimacy. To do this, he’ll have to win every coming debate and progressively improve his standing in coming Straw Polls. If he manages to come in second at another poll, that will represent a significan leap forward. And it won’t be good enough. The guy has to WIN, not to “improve his standings” or “do well”. Amazing how some of his supporters seem to forget that.

I saw Mike Huckabee on Tucker’s show and he came across as a truly honest guy. And then I read in an online editorial that he also advocates a somewhat non-interventionist foreign policy. Which is to say, he is no Ron Paul but he is not a brazen neocon warhawk, either. That puts him above the other contenders, in my book. I would support Huckabee, after Paul. But I don’t think he has the outreach to get his name out beyond the Heartland.

I still see it as Thompson/Romney vs Ron Paul. That’s not likely to change.

The reality is that he is putting your early proclamations to shame.

[quote]Mick28 wrote:
Why don’t you just sit back and wait patiently until the serious primaries get here and then you actually see how much of a chance that he has…which is, as I have been predicting, no chance at all. [/quote]

Said the kettle to the pot.

[i]TUSCALOOSA, Ala. – The 2008 presidential election already has people choosing sides and candidates.

On Saturday, the Alabama Republican Assembly tried to get a sense of which conservative candidate Alabamians are supporting most by holding an informal straw poll at the Bryant Conference Center.

Out of 266 ballots cast, it was Texas Congressman Ron Paul by an overwhelming majority, with former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney in a distant second.[/i]

http://www.nbc13.com/gulfcoastwest/vtm/news.apx.-content-articles-VTM-2007-08-18-0008.html

[quote]Mick28 wrote:
Now if that only meant something…
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Ok Mick, you seem like a reasonable chap. The poll didn’t mean much and I agree, but it’s still something to consider. It’s “essential material to the thread” so to say.

Now I have a question for you: If Paul had the amount of money of a Giuliani or Clinton, do you think it would make a difference? Personally, it seems to me that he’d beat everyone on the right if he had more money. That said, I know very little about US politics. It’s just the general feeling I get from talking to Americans and reading the news.

Care to comment on that?

[quote]Mick28 wrote:
lixy wrote:
[i]TUSCALOOSA, Ala. – The 2008 presidential election already has people choosing sides and candidates.

On Saturday, the Alabama Republican Assembly tried to get a sense of which conservative candidate Alabamians are supporting most by holding an informal straw poll at the Bryant Conference Center.

Out of 266 ballots cast, it was Texas Congressman Ron Paul by an overwhelming majority, with former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney in a distant second.[/i]

http://www.nbc13.com/gulfcoastwest/vtm/news.apx.-content-articles-VTM-2007-08-18-0008.html

Now if that only meant something…
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At times one remains faithful to a cause only because its opponents do not cease to be insipid.

Friedrich Nietzsche