[quote]JeffR wrote:
LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
Mick28 wrote:
Regardless of his beliefs I want you to look square into the eyes of Ron Paul and tell me you’d feel comfortable with him as being the leader of the free world and controlling the entire nuclear arsenal of the USA.
All political ideology aside…the man is not up to it.
Mick, does the president of the US need superpowers or something? I think Paul is smart enough to pick the right people for the job and that is all the president really has to do. You seem to forget the idiot that currently thinks he rules over the entire world. We need to fix this mess. GWB created an environment that has made a man like Ron Paul possible. Thank you Georgie!
I would say without hesitation Ron Paul is better than any person who has EVER run for this position.
moRon,
Who would he “pick” in his cabinet?
Who would ally with this guy?
He’s alienated his entire party with his holier-than-thou crap.
Usually, a candidate has allies to fill out his cabinet.
This is what is so sad about your fanaticism. You aren’t thinking of the ramifications if the guy wins.
He won’t be able to do anything within the democracy. He’d have no one to ally with.
This guy couldn’t hash out a compromise with his heavy handed “I know better than you” approach.
Successful Presidential candidates bring their party’s best and brightest to the cabinet.
You’re not only anti-American, you’re also very stupid.
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I know I haven’t been on this site long and I don’t know anything about Orion, but how the fuck is he anti-American? Certainly nothing he’s written in this thread warrants that accusation. And even if he is, are you implying that someone has to “pro-American” in order to make a valid argument? If not, and his flag-waving credentials don’t have damn thing to do with the validity of his argument, why the hell mention it? And just what does a “pro-American” sound like?
Is this typical of the level of debate around here?
[quote]IvanDmitritch wrote:
Is this typical of the level of debate around here? [/quote]
Sort of.
The problem is that the same cast has been arguing over the same crap for half a year, and now they thoroughly despise each other.
Mick, for example, has basically been making the same post over and over again since since June. His argument hasn’t changed or expanded one iota.
If you go to the other Ron Paul thread - the long one - and see what people were posting around the time of the first Republican debate, you’ll see that it’s the same topics being rehashed by the same people.
I think I gave up at the beginning of August, right around the time of the Iowa Straw Poll (ahh, I remember it like yesterday).
People here hold grudges and don’t forget them easily. Debates usually start out well and then degenerate into what you see now.
You’re not only anti-American, you’re also very stupid.
I know I haven’t been on this site long and I don’t know anything about Orion, but how the fuck is he anti-American? Certainly nothing he’s written in this thread warrants that accusation. And even if he is, are you implying that someone has to “pro-American” in order to make a valid argument? If not, and his flag-waving credentials don’t have damn thing to do with the validity of his argument, why the hell mention it? And just what does a “pro-American” sound like?
Is this typical of the level of debate around here? [/quote]
And I have to say other than lixy who is not quite as bad as you, there are no other anti-American posters as bad as you.
You make me sick.[/quote]
Why is there an expectation of everyone to be pro America? More importantly, why does somebody expressing a negative sentiment towards America get labeled as “Anti-American” (whenever I hear that phrase I immediately translate it to “I just lost this argument so I’ll try and brand you as a hater”, that phrase obviously doesn’t resonate with me as intended I guess) and then the argument either changes subject completely or ends.
Orion isn’t even an American and this expectation of him still exists. I can understand expecting a guy from Montana to be chanting USA USA USA, but why the fuck should I expect a guy from Austria to do so?
And I have to say other than lixy who is not quite as bad as you, there are no other anti-American posters as bad as you.
You make me sick.
Why is there an expectation of everyone to be pro America? More importantly, why does somebody expressing a negative sentiment towards America get labeled as “Anti-American” (whenever I hear that phrase I immediately translate it to “I just lost this argument so I’ll try and brand you as a hater”, that phrase obviously doesn’t resonate with me as intended I guess) and then the argument either changes subject completely or ends.
Orion isn’t even an American and this expectation of him still exists. I can understand expecting a guy from Montana to be chanting USA USA USA, but why the fuck should I expect a guy from Austria to do so? [/quote]
And here´s my real problem:
Critizising a government is as American as it gets. To say what what I want, when I want it, is a large part of what the American Revolution was about.
Especially when 70% of all Americans pretty much agree with me on the Bush administrations performance.
People like Mick28 cannot draw the line between themselves and their government and THAT is really un-American.
Funny, I’ve never noticed this venomous “hatred” towards the USA in any of Orion or Lixy’s posts.
I was born in Europe and raised in the US by European parents. I tend to think I’d recognize typical European sentiments if I saw them. And I’ve, so far, seen nothing in these gentlemens’ posts that would fall outside of that category. If you see virulent anti-Americanism, there are plenty of places on the net where it exists…I can direct you to them, if you’d like.
The only surge I’m aware of, pertaining to Huckabee, is the one he got after placing better than expected at the Iowa Straw Poll. I had been following things on a daily basis, but I stopped after that. However, based on the debates, I knew that Huckabee would eventually come across as a solid alternative to pro-war conservatives who didn’t trust the big 3. I’m not surprised to see him doing well. I knew that he was the only one from the second tier (besides Paul) who could make an impact.
Ron Paul has already had his surge and he’s not done, by a longshot. His base raised 4.5 million in a single day this month and they’re going to try for 10 million on Dec. 16. With that kind of cash on hand, there’s no question that he can do damage in the primaries. But then again, anyone who has been following this thing since the beginning already knew that back in July, when the 2nd Quarter numbers came in and showed him ahead of McCain in funds on hand. Boy, that was a shocker to some, but there are plenty more surprises left to in store for this crowd.
Just yesterday, on the busiest travel day of the year, a front-page ad for RP’s campaign ran in USA Today. This was financed by an $85,000 contribution from a businessman in Massachusetts.
Things are going to REALLY heat up as the countdown enters its final month.
[quote]Mick28 wrote:
Nominal Prospect wrote:
Funny, I’ve never noticed this venomous “hatred” towards the USA in any of Orion or Lixy’s posts.
Well Nommy it’s probably difficult for you to notice anything negative about whorions posts. After all whorion is a Ron Paul supporter…and there aren’t that many of them around so you have to look with favor on the ones that are speaking out, right?
By the way what do you make of Huckabees big surge? And all the while you thought Paul was going to have the big surge huh?
I guess you never know when it comes to politics.
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Thankfully we have someone like you, who never ceases to belch out dozens of enlightening posts a day, explaining why people like me are Antiamericans - to people like me.