Romney vs. Santorum; It's ON!

Christine · February 26, 2012, 9:31pm

[quote]Mufasa wrote:
“…Four more years of Obama might just about spell the end for the America that we all know…”

This is the type of hyperbole I don’t agree with, Zeb.

(But that’s okay; we can “agree to disagree”…)

Mufasa[/quote]

I agree with you, but this is the type of crap we get from either side during these primaries, no?

I think that while our system may have flaws, it will overcome any damage done by any one individual. And if they think that our system of government is so bad that one person can easily single-handedly destroy it, well then they must truly believe we need an entire overhaul.

But… this is they type of rhetoric the drones like to hear.

Zeb obviously works for the Romney campaign and he is adjusting his speech to fit his audience.

(Not you or I, but rather those who seam unwilling to vote for Romney as a presidential candidate out of whatever principles they hold on to.)

Mufasa · February 26, 2012, 10:00pm

Agree.

I personally think that when a candidate for the GOP is settled…that the TeaPublicans will get cranked up full force…and most GOP voters will rally behind the nominee.

Yes…some will stay home (due to the lack of Romney’s conservative “purity”)…but most Conservatives want more than anything to defeat the President.

Mufasa

Christine · February 26, 2012, 10:06pm

[quote]Mufasa wrote:
Agree.

I personally think that when a candidate for the GOP is settled…that the TeaPublicans will get cranked up full force…and most GOP voters will rally behind the nominee.

Yes…some will stay home (due to the lack of Romney’s conservative “purity”)…but most Conservatives want more than anything to defeat the President.

Mufasa

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Exactly. It will come to Obama vs. Any One Else for much of the base. And those aren’t the people needed to win. They may help, but they aren’t the end all.

ZEB · February 26, 2012, 11:50pm

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[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

If we do not elect a man who has the experience to turn this mess around we are in big trouble. Some of you guys need to look past your personal preference and toward the only man who has executive leadership in both business and government. That man is Romney, the only guy in the race with such experience.[/quote]

I don’t agree that Romney’s Cayman Islands-style corporatism and his flip-flopping, self-interested political career are indicative of someone who can turn the economy around.[/quote]

You make a good point. How could anyone who has many year of executive experience and has made about 300 million in the private sector understand how to help the economy. What we need is another legislator like Obama only conservative. Now that will fix things good and proper.

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Should the government be turned into a “for profit” organization though?

What do you think the pros-cons of such a government would be?
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We need a balanced budget and we need to curtail spending. Things that good business people must do. Now look around, I only see one man who has run a business (and did so quite successfully). And I only see one man who has executive experience. This is not being touted enough because the average schmo doesn’t really understand the difference. But in the real world Mitt Romney had some very smart people answering to him on a daily basis. He was at the top of both a business and government hierarchy. He knows how to make decisions and whom to place in positions of power to get things done. That’s what executives do. And that’s what Gingrich, Santorum and Obama have NEVER done. That’s one of the reasons why Obama is so ineffective. The job skills are not there!

We need a person who has had leadership experience, understands the economy and is able to help pull us out of this mess. All this nonsense about Romney not being conservative enough is touted by those who truly don’t understand many things, not the least of which is that we have to put politics aside and chose someone who can actually beat Obama and begin to turn this country around.

As a side note, I’d vote for a democrat if I thought that he had the potential to pull us out of this mess. We are in very bad shape and four more years of Obama might just about spell the end for the America that we all know. Obama said he was seeking fundamental change and given another four years with no electorate to answer to we’re going to have that change beginning with Obamacare. And I assure every hard working man and woman…

…YOU WILL NOT LIKE THAT CHANGE![/quote]

All good points.

If you were tasked (seriously) with picking R’s VP who would it be and why?
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As I’ve said many times (and is not hard to call) Marco Rubio would be my number one choice for VP. He’s young, well liked all around and the two most important points are, he brings in the ethnic vote and helps the republicans carry Florida. He’s a natural!

ZEB · February 26, 2012, 11:45pm

[quote]Christine wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]Christine wrote:
The media would love a brokered convention, but most pundints (on both sides) have pretty much said that this wont happen.

I just don’t think that they are willing to go down without fighting some more.[/quote]

It always looks that way just before the end. Candidates vow to take their fight to the convention and bla bla bla. But the simple fact is when they’re beaten they know they’re beaten and two main things happen (with some other less important ones) which causes them drop out if not in name then in deed:

The money dries up because their supporters feel the momentum shifting. Remember what I said about most wanting to vote for the winner? It goes double for those who are parting with their own money to support a candidate.
The media (as bad as they want to see a horse race down to the wire) stops covering the candidate. And suddenly he doesn’t matter anymore. He wants to debate but the front runner seeing tide shift declines. And who will care about a debate with two losers who combined don’t have even 10% of the delegates that the front runner has? Then the host for the debate knowing that few people care drops sponsorship.

This could all unfold in Mitt Romney’s favor based on what occurs this Tuesday. However, if he wins Arizona and drops Michigan to say Santorum the process continues on and super Tuesday is anybody’s guess. [/quote]

I know you’re probably right, but I’m not ready for the fun to come to an end! Let me have my hope.[/quote]

Iv’e always looked at these things as a great, great show. Although a very serious one.

ZEB · February 26, 2012, 11:47pm

[quote]Mufasa wrote:
“…Four more years of Obama might just about spell the end for the America that we all know…”

This is the type of hyperbole I don’t agree with, Zeb.

(But that’s okay; we can “agree to disagree”…)

Mufasa[/quote]

He just ushered in the biggest government take over in the history of America with Obamacare. What exactly do you disagree with?

Seriously Mufasa, you Can agree with obama thats’ your right. But don’t tell me that America will look the same after 8 years of this type of governing…IT MOST ASSUREDLY WILL NOT!

ZEB · February 26, 2012, 11:50pm

[quote]Christine wrote:

Zeb obviously works for the Romney campaign and he is adjusting his speech to fit his audience.
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Yes, as a matter of fact I do. There are only two people of higher rank than me within the Romney campaign team. And we are each charged with going on one bodybuilding site and trying to influence the many 20 something’s that we come in contact with. With my luck I drew T Nation.

I YI YI YI YI!

ZEB · February 26, 2012, 11:54pm

[quote]Mufasa wrote:
Agree.

I personally think that when a candidate for the GOP is settled…that the TeaPublicans will get cranked up full force…and most GOP voters will rally behind the nominee.

Yes…some will stay home (due to the lack of Romney’s conservative “purity”)…but most Conservatives want more than anything to defeat the President.

Mufasa[/quote]

They can say what they want to say in February. However, come November every single conservative will be out voting for the republican nominee because four more years of Obama is something that they just cannot stomach.

Mufasa · February 27, 2012, 1:28am

I don’t “agree” with all the President does. Reigning in the spiraling cost of Medicine and the lack of coverage for many Americans are VERY real problems. While I think that The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act addressed SOME of those problems; it does not adequately address them all. It is my feeling that Medicine should have been attacked in much smaller “chunks” with bi-partisan support.
By the same token, Zeb, you can believe that the GOP is the answer to all of America’s problems…that is YOUR choice…but don’t tell me that the President will single-handedly destroy America.

Mufasa

heavythrower · February 27, 2012, 1:35am

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]Christine wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:
If Romney takes Michigan and Arizona all of you Romney haters can pack it in because it’s OOOOOOOVER!![/quote]

I don’t want it to be over because of all the amusement I have been getting out of this primary race.

However, I don’t think that both Santorum and Gingrich will give up so easily. One can only hope they stay in for the long haul.[/quote]

Well, if Romney takes Arizona and Michigan and because of those wins he wins big again on super Tuesday it’s over. Whether you enjoy the entertainment or not–It IS over.

Santorum and Gingrich can say their staying in until the convention but there will be no more debates and very little media coverage for them. So, it will be essentially over and they will move on most likely and if they don’t it won’t matter. They won’t go anywhere because the momentum for Romney will be off the charts. I trust you’ve seen how primaries work in the past? The only reason they are still in is because it looks like a horse race on its face. In a primary as soon as one candidate begins to pick up momentum (and delegates) the others start to fall away quite fast. It’s purely psychological as everyone wants to back a winner. As yet there is no clear winner as soon as there is (and no one knows if it happens here) that person pulls away fast. As primaries go this is not a particularly long one if it’s over by Super Tuesday. The Obama/Clinton primary was close until Obama pulled away in May.

What most people are falling for is the media hype about how this goes to a brokered convention. But that will not happen the odds are about a million to one against it. But the media must sell something, and right now it’s the republican primary. But as I said as primaries go this one is not that outstanding for any reason.

Now don’t get me wrong if for some reason Santorum and or Gingrich get their share of support on super Tuesday even though they both lose Arizona and Michigan that would be quite unique.[/quote]

sad but true. I hate that we will not hear anymore from Newt. He brilliant and sharp as a tack, he would have OWNED Barry in a debate.

Christine · February 27, 2012, 2:30am

[quote]pushharder wrote:
Christine, what was that you were self righteously telling me earlier today about how you are NOT part of PWI and how you look down on those who are?

Your numerous posts on this thread and many other PWI threads would tend to cause a prudent man to wonder why you would make such a claim. Interesting. Amusing. Even compelling.[/quote]

Yet again, you have misunderstood. Let me know when I partake in the circle jerk.

Edit: I’m really not sure why you felt the need to hi-jack this thread. I have been making an effort to be respectful when I come to the PWI forum. I do try to not overtly insult anyone here. Believe me, there has been several posts within this thread that I want to take apart, but I know that it is not really worth my time.

If you must know, I read PWI simply for differing opinions. I know that I will find people here with whom I disagree, but I like hearing their opinions regardless.

That being said, I apologize for this thread hi-jack. And, as dirty as it makes me, I happen to agree with Zeb on many of his posts in this thread and about the republican primaries overall.

ZEB · February 27, 2012, 2:58am

[quote]Mufasa wrote:

By the same token, Zeb, you can believe that the GOP is the answer to all of America’s problems…that is YOUR choice…but don’t tell me that the President will single-handedly destroy America.

Mufasa [/quote]

Did I say “destroy” America? Or did I say what Obama said? “Fundamentally change America”? And he will do just that. What I did say was most hard working Americans, the half that pays taxes WILL NOT LIKE IT!

I know you’ll vote for Obama Mufasa just like you did in 08, so none of this is going to change your mind. You’re still waiting for the hope and change…ha ha…no really.

And I don’t think the GOP has all the answers in fact I think they’re missing most of the questions. But when I look at the democrats I know without question that they are absolutely NOT going to get us out of this tax and spend and grow the government mentality, in fact they created it!

Anyone who makes a reasonable salary or is in business for themselves has no reason to vote for Obama. His votes will mostly come from those sucking off the government tit, teachers unions, and other union members, homosexuals, university profs, and the young and stupid.

Now you may not like that but it is the truth.

ZEB · February 27, 2012, 3:00am

[quote]heavythrower wrote: