You are never going to change ZEB’s mind because his stance is a MORAL one…and you cannot change morals.
If pot were legal, you would not see ZEB in this thread…just as you would not see him in a thread discussing the candidates stance on drinking beer or smoking cigarettes.
Give it up everybody…I agree with ZEB 95% of the time, but you have a better chance of winning an argument with Professor X over toothpaste use.
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You are actually wrong my friend. I oppose it on health grounds. It’s not a moral issue for me. But I do feel that I’ve done enough research to be comfortable with my position. Unlike the many who have opposed me on this thread (it’s like um a plant maaaaaan) I actually bring facts to the table.[/quote]
Not what you said earlier.
I’m assuming you are for criminalizing tabacco, alcohol, and the excessive use of salt too. Cause I can give you a ton of research proving all that is unhealthy.[/quote]
Look at the damage sugar does , the cost to America is huge
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The notion that unhealthy things should be criminalized because they are bad for you is pretty much both the dumbest and most ultra-big government belief there is.[/quote]
Then you an argue for the legalization of heroin and other hard drugs, right?[/quote]
No. I’m against you locking people up to prevent them from using them though.
Unlike the many who have opposed me on this thread (it’s like um a plant maaaaaan) I actually bring facts to the table.[/quote]
So it’s not a plant? have you been smoking weed fool? careful you’re gonna wind up in a cage![/quote]
I’ve never thought of you as being this stupid prior to this thread. So thanks for the wake up call.
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Well sorry to inform you, but I thought you were ridiculous before this thread. You think it is worse for a society to allow a plant, than to lock people up for a plant. Crazy. Which one really causes more harm? Locking people in a cell, for smoking/selling dope, what a joke. Glad you think you’re the moral authority. Don’t use it if you don’t want to, I wouldn’t use it (don’t now) if it is legal, so what is your beef with it? You have posted nothing but dribble. [/quote]
I don’t think I can take him seriously anymore.
Unlike the many who have opposed me on this thread (it’s like um a plant maaaaaan) I actually bring facts to the table.[/quote]
So it’s not a plant? have you been smoking weed fool? careful you’re gonna wind up in a cage![/quote]
I’ve never thought of you as being this stupid prior to this thread. So thanks for the wake up call.
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Well sorry to inform you, but I thought you were ridiculous before this thread. You think it is worse for a society to allow a plant, than to lock people up for a plant. Crazy. Which one really causes more harm? Locking people in a cell, for smoking/selling dope, what a joke. Glad you think you’re the moral authority. Don’t use it if you don’t want to, I wouldn’t use it (don’t now) if it is legal, so what is your beef with it? You have posted nothing but dribble. [/quote]
I don’t think I can take him seriously anymore.[/quote]
However, if a guy were to stand on a corner and advertise “colored water with no good uses” and people wanted to buy it anyway, it should be perfectly legal. [/quote]
Then you are promoting fraud on an unsuspecting public. And worst of all on susceptable people who may be struggling to overcome disease.
Nice.
Hold on there what about all the people who claim pot as the wonder drug for cancer? Did you give up on that one?
Then one can assume that using your (faulty) logic that selling heroin or other hard drugs would be okay as well, as long as you didn’t make any promises right?
Hey, if you like smoking pot just say “I like smoking pot, and wish it were legal.”
Is that so hard?[/quote]
If you like government controlling people, just say “I like big government, and wish it could get bigger.”
Is that so hard?[/quote]
I like small government with good drug laws. And to say that you cannot have one without the other is one more argument that you will lose.[/quote]
And libs like small government with “good” spending and tax laws.[/quote]
If someone likes the national forrests and wants to preserve them by keeping a strong forrest rangers service are they automatically for big government?
Illogical.
But then you’ve not brought any logic to this debate from page one.[/quote]
They are for increasing the size of government in regard to national forests.
Increasing the size and sway of the federal government isn’t in favor of larger government.
Illogical.
But you’re showing yourself to be either dumb or a troll in this entire thread.[/quote]
You’ve not had an argument, or a fact, from page one and now you’ve reduced this to name calling. I like it go for it, it actually makes for a good exit for you.
Anyway…
Increasing, or maintaining the size of one government agency does not mean that one is in favor of increasing the size of the total government.
You are never going to change ZEB’s mind because his stance is a MORAL one…and you cannot change morals.
If pot were legal, you would not see ZEB in this thread…just as you would not see him in a thread discussing the candidates stance on drinking beer or smoking cigarettes.
Give it up everybody…I agree with ZEB 95% of the time, but you have a better chance of winning an argument with Professor X over toothpaste use.
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You are actually wrong my friend. I oppose it on health grounds. It’s not a moral issue for me. But I do feel that I’ve done enough research to be comfortable with my position. Unlike the many who have opposed me on this thread (it’s like um a plant maaaaaan) I actually bring facts to the table.[/quote]
Not what you said earlier.
I’m assuming you are for criminalizing tabacco, alcohol, and the excessive use of salt too. Cause I can give you a ton of research proving all that is unhealthy.[/quote]
Look at the damage sugar does , the cost to America is huge
[/quote]
The notion that unhealthy things should be criminalized because they are bad for you is pretty much both the dumbest and most ultra-big government belief there is.[/quote]
Then you an argue for the legalization of heroin and other hard drugs, right?[/quote]
No. I’m against you locking people up to prevent them from using them though.[/quote]
Why do you want to punish (in any way) people for consuming something that is unhealthy. It appears you have a(one more) problem with your argument.
The notion that unhealthy things should be criminalized because they are bad for you is pretty much both the dumbest and most ultra-big government belief there is.[/quote]
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I would say that’s a pretty glib paraphrase
As for legalising cannabis, I am unsure. A lot of my friends who take it tell me it’s a wonder drug, as they would. I hear it’s very good for people who have debilitating illnesses, notably multiple sclerosis. I would welcome studies showing the effectiveness of this. If it is effective, and cheaper and better than other drugs, I would be happy to see it medically prescribed to people suffering debilitating illnesses. I wonder if that would mean a ‘free for all’ however.
Unlike the many who have opposed me on this thread (it’s like um a plant maaaaaan) I actually bring facts to the table.[/quote]
So it’s not a plant? have you been smoking weed fool? careful you’re gonna wind up in a cage![/quote]
I’ve never thought of you as being this stupid prior to this thread. So thanks for the wake up call.
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Well sorry to inform you, but I thought you were ridiculous before this thread. You think it is worse for a society to allow a plant, than to lock people up for a plant. Crazy. Which one really causes more harm? Locking people in a cell, for smoking/selling dope, what a joke. Glad you think you’re the moral authority. Don’t use it if you don’t want to, I wouldn’t use it (don’t now) if it is legal, so what is your beef with it? You have posted nothing but dribble. [/quote]
I don’t think I can take him seriously anymore.[/quote]
I realize that trying to keep up with me is draining and now you’ve found a good way out. But on the way out the door keep in mind that I’m the only one in this debate who has brought a logical argument and backed it up with facts.
But you like pot so “sniff sniff” you want it decriminalized but have nothing to back up your argument except logical fallacy after logical fallacy.
Uh huh…But you just can’t take me seriously anymore.
As far as i recall no one has stated that pot cures cancer. Marijuana is an alternative to prescription painkillers that is cheaper, effective, and isn’t addictive.Prescription meds on the other hand are expensive, and potentially addictive. To deny people a more affordable and less psychologically harmful option to people who are suffering from cancer, aids, glaucoma, etc… is immoral.
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You think it is worse for a society to allow a plant, than to lock people up for a plant. Crazy.[/quote]
Should opium be legal as well it’s only a plant? And every other drug such as cocaine that is derived from a natural source?
If your argument is correct and it’s only a plant then these too are only plants tell me why should be decriminalized.
Says the guy whose only argument is “it’s just a plant maaaan…”
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I think it should all be legalized, govt has no business telling you what you can/can’t consume. Do you need govt to tell you not to drink Drain-O. Why do you need a Nanny? Can you make your own decisions? And if you won’t legalize it, at least stop throwing people in jail for it.
[quote]dk44 wrote:
You think it is worse for a society to allow a plant, than to lock people up for a plant. Crazy.[/quote]
Should opium be legal as well it’s only a plant? And every other drug such as cocaine that is derived from a natural source?
If your argument is correct and it’s only a plant then these too are only plants tell me why should be decriminalized.
Says the guy whose only argument is “it’s just a plant maaaan…”
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I think it should all be legalized, govt has no business telling you what you can/can’t consume. Do you need govt to tell you not to drink Drain-O. Why do you need a Nanny? Can you make your own decisions? And if you won’t legalize it, at least stop throwing people in jail for it. [/quote]
Hypothetically, what if a small, but significant percentage of the 18-35 population were?