Not only are you a loon, but you’re a sick fuck. You want to lock people in a cage over a plant. But, you’re for that dang ole small govt.
[quote]ZEB wrote:
Then you’ve never sat by the bed of a cancer paitent who was so sick that they didn’t know up from down. And hopefully you never will. But I can assure you that making drug laws based on what sick people think is pure folly. Just listen to yourself. You’ve abandon all reason.
[/quote]No. I never said anything about laws. I was talking about making a decision about what to put in person’s body. It is not folly to maybe have the person who’s body is in question be the final call.
“But I can assure you that making drug is pure folly” â?? fixed that for you. Because your insinuation that I was talking about making laws (when my whole belief is that there should be no laws) is obnoxiously dumb.
Why do you feel the need to evaluate other people’s medications in the first place? You need to first assert that right BEFORE you can even argue the merits of drugs.
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It would help to know how many choose it, and what benefits they derive over other more examined drugs. Making any sense to you? Why do we toss research aside on such a critical topic?
[/quote]What the hell are you talking about? Who ever said anything about tossing aside research? I never advocated any such thing. I’d fully encourage the patient to consider the research in making THEIR decision about putting chemical in THEIR body. I know I would. [quote]
My opinion? Please make sense.
[/quote]Your opioning on what other people should put in their own bodies and what medications are best for the life of a person dieing from cancer. [quote]
We are a nation of laws. You can like them or not like it, that matters little. But it’s hardly MY opinion that will alter the drug law.
[/quote]We are a nation founded on laws that are meant to protect the individual right to self. You can, in fact, be in favor of some laws and against others while remaining logically consistent.
And it is people like you that are the reason for idiotic laws like this.
[quote]
Why don’t you write your Congressman instead of ranting on a message board? But I warn you, you better bring more material to the table than what you’ve shown me. Because honestly you have nothing compelling which would cause anyone to step out on your opinion and try to change long time drug laws.
“It um…it might help people who are sick” is not going to do it![/quote]
You are right, “people own themselves” is just an absurd, unfounded, idea that I just don’t have enough proof for. You believing that government owns your body is way better founded and proved.
[quote]honest_lifter wrote:
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]Hell-Billy wrote:
Side effects of synthetic marijuana that Romney promotes as M.M. alternative.[/quote]
No response to Romney’s many accomplishments?
Not surprised.[/quote]
Your view of “accomplishments” is possibly limited and skewed, don’t you think? You used money, formal education and position of power as a view for accomplishments. I don’t fully understand. You are a christian by name, which entails having the utmost respect and admiration for an individual with minimal formal education, almost no money, and was treated as a prisoner by his own people.
I would imagine, based on my time here that you would be a very difficult individual to deal with in real life. Have the courage to see that you don’t have the right answer to everything, then you can begin your growth. The upside is, you potential for improvement is great.[/quote]
Thanks for the advice holier than thou “honest” lifter.
What I gave the poster he deserved. Why would someone call Romney an “asshole” because he is against legalizing pot? I can answer that question. It’s because the person using that language is a 22 year old moron who has a very limited perspective. Hopefully he’ll get a wake up call and realize that Romney is not the “asshole”. And that there is more to life than climbing on the roof when his parents are asleep and smoking a joint. One can only hope.
As to your other accusations, we can only see what the man has accomplished. In other words a good leader would have among other traits:
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A good education
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Been successful in business
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Have held public office on a prior occasion.
These things you deem to be “limited and skewed?” I hope you don’t vote.
Are other things important? Certainly, but tell me oh wise one how do we measure a man’s soul? Surely you know the answer to this.
No?
As for Romney, I also admire the man for being a family man. A good father and husband. And giving his entire inheritance to his alma mater. I didn’t bother mentioning that because no doubt the dolt that I was talking to will not get an inheritance and if he does get one he won’t give it to his alma mater, if he had one to begin with.
It seems that for someone who tries to pass himself off as meek and mild you are terribly judgmental.
Tell me does it take one to know one?
[quote]dk44 wrote:
You’re a fucking loon, you want to keep a plant illegal. What’s next rocks, better hope not, what would you occupy the inside of your head with?
[/quote]
Great response! I didn’t think you’d be giving up so soon. But then again what else can you say?
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]dk44 wrote:
You’re a fucking loon, you want to keep a plant illegal. What’s next rocks, better hope not, what would you occupy the inside of your head with?
[/quote]
Great response! I didn’t think you’d be giving up so soon. But then again what else can you say? [/quote]
You want to throw people in a cage over a plant. What else is there to say? You think that’s okay right?
Smoking poison ivy will kill you. Like literally on the spot. How can this extremely dangerous plant be legal? Oh the humanity. Lets right some laws, spend billions on this, and lock people up who never did anything that hurt anyone else.
[quote]ZEB wrote:
I actually like small government with strict drug laws. [/quote]
Contradiction
[quote]ZEB wrote:
Hey, if you like smoking pot just say “I like smoking pot, and wish it were legal.”
Is that so hard?[/quote]
If you like government controlling people, just say “I like big government, and wish it could get bigger.”
Is that so hard?
[quote]honest_lifter wrote:
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]Hell-Billy wrote:
Side effects of synthetic marijuana that Romney promotes as M.M. alternative.[/quote]
No response to Romney’s many accomplishments?
Not surprised.[/quote]
Your view of “accomplishments” is possibly limited and skewed, don’t you think? You used money, formal education and position of power as a view for accomplishments. I don’t fully understand. You are a christian by name, which entails having the utmost respect and admiration for an individual with minimal formal education, almost no money, and was treated as a prisoner by his own people.
[/quote]
He did the crime, he did the time.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]ZEB wrote:
Hey, if you like smoking pot just say “I like smoking pot, and wish it were legal.”
Is that so hard?[/quote]
If you like government controlling people, just say “I like big government, and wish it could get bigger.”
Is that so hard?[/quote]
Already hit him with that one, somehow he is for small govt, yet super strict drug laws hmmmmm. Sounds like bullshit to me, but what do I know. I’m just a guy that doesn’t want to lock people in a cage over a plant.
[quote]ZEB wrote:
Thanks for the advice holier than thou “honest” lifter.
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Pot calling the kettle black.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
ZEB wrote:
Then you’ve never sat by the bed of a cancer paitent who was so sick that they didn’t know up from down. And hopefully you never will. But I can assure you that making drug laws based on what sick people think is pure folly. Just listen to yourself. You’ve abandon all reason.
No. I never said anything about laws. I was talking about making a decision about what to put in person’s body. It is not folly to maybe have the person who’s body is in question be the final call.[/quote]
That’s why we have an FDA. If we didn’t regulate drugs we’d have some very shifty people trying to sell those in need the latest cancer cure. You should read some history on what it was like before the FDA. While it’s far from perfect we need such a body it serves a purpose.
[quote]Why do you feel the need to evaluate other people’s medications in the first place? You need to first assert that right BEFORE you can even argue the merits of drugs.
[/quote]
See above.
[quote]It would help to know how many choose it, and what benefits they derive over other more examined drugs. Making any sense to you? Why do we toss research aside on such a critical topic?
What the hell are you talking about? Who ever said anything about tossing aside research? I never advocated any such thing. I’d fully encourage the patient to consider the research in making THEIR decision about putting chemical in THEIR body. I know I would. [/quote]
And I asked you to post such research. That is “what the hell I am talking about.” Ranting on about how pot should be used to help cancer patients is so much bullshit. Unless of course you can produce evidence which suggests that pot is better than the 200 or so other drugs that have been sanctioned by the FDA.
Are you in this conversation?
Start paying attention!
[quote]And it is people like you that are the reason for idiotic laws like this.
[/quote]
You’ve not laid out one single fact which would cause me or any other thinking human being to change their mind. Yet you rant on…How silly of me not to buy into your emotionally driven diatribe.
[quote]Why don’t you write your Congressman instead of ranting on a message board? But I warn you, you better bring more material to the table than what you’ve shown me. Because honestly you have nothing compelling which would cause anyone to step out on your opinion and try to change long time drug laws.
“It um…it might help people who are sick” is not going to do it!
You are right, “people own themselves” is just an absurd, unfounded, idea that I just don’t have enough proof for. You believing that government owns your body is way better founded and proved.[/quote]
Still no logical argument huh?
I can rationalize not having any laws based on your half baked comment, “people own themselves…” What does that have to do with protecting the greater good of society?
People own themselves so…why should they obey that traffic light?
My gosh please come up with a cogent argument I am tired of this nonsense.
“Um…I want to smoke pot because it’s my right…I own me. Or, the other idiot who said…I believe in small government so pot should be legal maaaaaaan…”
I’m finding that those who argue in favor of legalization of marijuana are the best proof that it should NOT be legalized.
No wonder it’s not been legalized and probably never will be!
[quote]dk44 wrote:
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]dk44 wrote:
You’re a fucking loon, you want to keep a plant illegal. What’s next rocks, better hope not, what would you occupy the inside of your head with?
[/quote]
Great response! I didn’t think you’d be giving up so soon. But then again what else can you say? [/quote]
You want to throw people in a cage over a plant. What else is there to say? You think that’s okay right?[/quote]
Cocaine is just…
And perhaps you missed this Einstein:
Yeah…and a harmless plant at that…Oh wait no it’s not.
Effects on the Heart
Within a few minutes after smoking marijuana, the heart begins beating more rapidly and the blood pressure drops. Marijuana can cause the heart beat to increase by 20 to 50 beats per minute, and can increase even more if other drugs are used at the same time.
Because of the lower blood pressure and higher heart rate, researchers found that users’ risk for a heart attack is four times higher within the first hour after smoking marijuana, compared to their general risk of heart attack when not smoking.
Effects on the Lungs
Smoking marijuana, even infrequently, can cause burning and stinging of the mouth and throat, and cause heavy coughing. Scientists have found that regular marijuana smokers can experience the same respiratory problems as tobacco smokers do, including:
â?¢Daily cough and phlegm production
â?¢More frequent acute chest illnesses
â?¢Increased risk of lung infections
â?¢Obstructed airways
Most marijuana smokers consume a lot less cannabis than cigarette smokers consume tobacco, however the harmful effects of smoking marijuana should not be ignored. Marijuana contains more carcinogenic hydrocarbons than tobacco smoke and because marijuana smokers typically inhale deeper and hold the smoke in their lungs longer than tobacco smokers, their lungs are exposed to those carcinogenic properties longer, when smoking.
What About Cancer?
Although one study found that marijuana smokers were three times more likely to develop cancer of the head or neck than non-smokers, that study could not be confirmed by further analysis.
Because marijuana smoke contains three times the amount of tar found in tobacco smoke and 50 percent more carcinogens, it would seem logical to deduce that there is an increased risk of lung cancer for marijuana smokers. However, researchers have not been able to definitively prove such a link because their studies have not been able to adjust for tobacco smoking and other factors that might also increase the risk.
Studies linking marijuana smoking to lung cancer have also been limited by selection bias and small sample size. For example, the participants in those studies may have been too young to have developed lung cancer yet. Even though researchers have yet to “prove” a link between smoking pot and lung cancer, regular smokers may want to consider the risk.
Other Health Effects
Research indicates that THC impairs the body’s immune system from fighting disease, which can cause a wide variety of health problems. One study found that marijuana actually inhibited the disease-preventing actions of key immune cells. Another study found that THC increased the risk of developing bacterial infections and tumors.
http://alcoholism.about.com/...ffects.-Lya.htm
[quote]BlueCollarTr8n wrote:
[quote]ZEB wrote:
I actually like small government with strict drug laws. [/quote]
Contradiction[/quote]
Not at all.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
Smoking poison ivy will kill you. Like literally on the spot. How can this extremely dangerous plant be legal? Oh the humanity. Lets right some laws, spend billions on this, and lock people up who never did anything that hurt anyone else.[/quote]
But poison ivy does not make you feel good.
The haunting fear of puritans is not so much that you kill yourself, but that you enjoy yourself.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
Smoking poison ivy will kill you. Like literally on the spot. How can this extremely dangerous plant be legal? Oh the humanity. Lets right some laws, spend billions on this, and lock people up who never did anything that hurt anyone else.[/quote]
Last I checked no one wanted to smoke poison ivy, or poison oak, or my neighbors maple tree. That would take them out of the illegal drug trade business.
Got anything else or is it just straight down hill from here?
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]ZEB wrote:
Hey, if you like smoking pot just say “I like smoking pot, and wish it were legal.”
Is that so hard?[/quote]
If you like government controlling people, just say “I like big government, and wish it could get bigger.”
Is that so hard?[/quote]
I like small government with good drug laws. And to say that you cannot have one without the other is one more argument that you will lose.
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]dk44 wrote:
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]dk44 wrote:
You’re a fucking loon, you want to keep a plant illegal. What’s next rocks, better hope not, what would you occupy the inside of your head with?
[/quote]
Great response! I didn’t think you’d be giving up so soon. But then again what else can you say? [/quote]
You want to throw people in a cage over a plant. What else is there to say? You think that’s okay right?[/quote]
Cocaine is just…
[/quote]
Yes, it is, as is opium and all derivated products.
Which is why it will never, ever go away.
And, in case it would, cocaine can be synthesized sine the 30s.
[quote]dk44 wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]ZEB wrote:
Hey, if you like smoking pot just say “I like smoking pot, and wish it were legal.”
Is that so hard?[/quote]
If you like government controlling people, just say “I like big government, and wish it could get bigger.”
Is that so hard?[/quote]
Already hit him with that one, somehow he is for small govt, yet super strict drug laws hmmmmm. Sounds like bullshit to me, but what do I know. I’m just a guy that doesn’t want to lock people in a cage over a plant. [/quote]
You’re also just a guy who is unable to prove his point.
…or even launch a good argument.
But you want what you want…So emotion first and logic be dammed.
You want to break up families, friendships, relationships, etc. by throwing people in a cage over a plant. I am going to keep saying it until it sinks in your logger head. Why do you get to choose what people can and can’t do again?