Romans 2

Why ya gotta play dumb with me Chris? =) You know EXACTLY what I’m askin you.
You said:[quote]<<< They probably have other stuff to do besides being on the internet >>>[/quote]I would buy that except for THEY started that facebook page. THEY were also gleefully romping about slapping each other on the back quite regularly about how stoopid people like me are for what looks a couple months there. Then I popped in for a cheerful howdyado and not one peep since the 12th. That’s not good for my already ambitious ego Chris. Your friend told me he never runs away. It’s still posted there. I believed him and would still like to, but where has he gone? I’m not sayin this in a snarky gloating fashion, but what is goin on with you guys? Everybody runs away. Except you and Cortes. Every freakin body.

Now. Do you agree with this http://www.almostnotcatholic.com/2012/06/myth-busters-catholicism-teaches.html article or not?

[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
Why ya gotta play dumb with me Chris? =) You know EXACTLY what I’m askin you.
You said:[quote]<<< They probably have other stuff to do besides being on the internet >>>[/quote]I would buy that except for THEY started that facebook page. THEY were also gleefully romping about slapping each other on the back quite regularly about how stoopid people like me are for what looks a couple months there. Then I popped in for a cheerful howdyado and not one peep since the 12th. That’s not good for my already ambitious ego Chris. Your friend told me he never runs away. It’s still posted there. I believed him and would still like to, but where has he gone? I’m not sayin this in a snarky gloating fashion, but what is goin on with you guys? Everybody runs away. Except you and Cortes. Every freakin body.[/quote]

Because, we’re probably both stupid to re-engage in this discussion when we’re not even talking about what actually matters, the foundation of the argument. Nevertheless, the reason for the lack of engagement was on my behalf. They asked me if they should engage you in this discussion.

You hold that much sway? What are you a bishop already? Why do you feel that they should not engage me and why do they ask you whether they should? All I know is Catholics flee the scene whenever I show up and it’s gittin old. So tell me. What did you tell them? It is really getting harder and harder to take anything Catholic (big C) seriously. I want the RCC back that would burn me at the stake. One with a little spine. Come on man.
EDIT: You don’t think your church’s ability to interpret scripture gets to “what really matters”. You’re ok with a situation where the scriptures simply MUST say what she says no matter how utterly foreign to the actual meaning it really is? Yes, that is what we are talkin about.

[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
You hold that much sway? What are you a bishop already? Why do you feel that they should not engage me and why do they ask you whether they should?[/quote]

I discipled a good chunk of them. You don’t remember that I’m am a full time evangelist? They asked me if I knew you. I said I did, so they asked if you knew enough about Catholicism to engage. I never said I told them to not engage you, they made up their own mind. Though I’d rather they not at this point, though I have no problem with engaging later after they have studied for the debate.

I think there is a common factor in this equation you might have missed brother. And, it is probably not necessarily because people are Catholics. I can handle your attacks (which you admit to loving), but some people are less equipped both spiritually but intellectually to get in an argument with someone outside of people they know. I do this for a living, they are new in the faith. I am no way near being spiritually mature, but it is not spiritually draining to engage you (actually, that is a lie sometimes it is, especially when I have other stuff on my plate).

I told them that I debated you almost daily and at least weekly for several years about Christianity. That I was not positive on your grasp of orthodoxy.

I would rather them pray and fast while studying the faith then to engage this early. I’d also rather them work on evangelizing rather than solely apologetics.

I’d rather not be taken seriously. I enjoy when people don’t, makes my life easier. Easier to make people laugh when they don’t take me seriously, too.

Yeah, I could see how you could think it lacks spine. You went through a wonderful period of the Church in which a lot of good people said stupid things and led a lot of people away from the Church because they were scared to tell the truth. This is the fault of the priests as they are responsible for your Catechesis and Soul.

However, instead of getting upset with Jesus because he let Judas consume Him at the Last Supper…when he was being meek, I didn’t let myself become scandalized and leave Jesus over his virtue of meekness. I realized that I am personally responsible for my actions and that if I didn’t come into communion with Jesus and his Bride my soul would be headed straight for Hell, no matter if individuals were scandalous. The perfectness and holiness of the Church has never been based on the individual members, but always on the blood of Jesus Christ and the protection of the Advocate in the matters of Faith. I recommend you do the same and actually learn what your Church teaches instead of taking the easy way out and trying to make yourself feel better for your decision based on the prose of a blogger who may or may not be right.

I don’t know what this says.

And, if the Pope said white was black and black was white. I’d believe it because I have that much faith in Jesus’ promise that the Advocate will protect our Mother from teaching error.

believe it or not Chris I actually respect the way you’ve dealt with your charges. How bout “fundamentalist logic 101”. Do you know who that is? He acted like he didn’t know you. Have they read what I’ve said there or have you counseled them that even so much as reading me will imperil their souls? Or at the very least their walk?[quote]Brother Chris wrote:<<< your attacks (which you admit to loving), >>>[/quote]What do you mean by this before I demand a demonstration of my having so expressed.[quote]Brother Chris wrote:<<< That I was not positive on your grasp of orthodoxy. >>>[/quote]Do you by this mean to convey the notion that you are not sure whether I have damned myself or not? You know I wouldn’t ask if I didn’t want an answer. What WOULD make you positive.[quote]Brother Chris wrote:<<< And, if the Pope said white was black and black was white. I’d believe it because I have that much faith in Jesus’ promise that the Advocate will protect our Mother from teaching error. >>>[/quote]I appreciate your honesty Christopher. I do not disdain this position in the way that you may think. As I have said forever now here. EVERYBODY has this unconditional blind faith in SOMETHING. Everybody. Regardless of what Aquinas taught. It is rather solid of you to save me the effort of pulling this out of you by simply declaring it yourself. I have just such a conviction myself which I proclaim incessantly in these forums.