[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:
Provide a scientific proof that the embryonic or fetal phase of human life renders that life, not human.[/quote]
But… Pat… You believe in God and are pro-life… According to this thread your anti science…
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Yup, the same cliches always get repeated. We God believers are by default dumb flat-earthers.[/quote]
Biblical flat Earth claims must be addressed because many biblical literalists claim the Bible disproves evolution and other scientific theories prima facie. Since there is no real debate about the shape of the Earth, these passages call biblical literalism into question.
In numerous passages, the Bible claims that the earth is flat and/or rectangular. Whether or not the Bible “really” says this is often debated â?? but if the Bible was written by people who lived in societies who were unaware that the Earth is a more-or-less spherical object which orbits the Sun then we would expect this ignorance to be reflected in their writings.
Flat Earth claims
"Daniel 4:10-11. In Daniel, the king â??saw a tree of great height at the centre of the earthâ?¦ reaching with its top to the sky and visible to the earth’s farthest bounds.â?? Only with a flat Earth could a tall tree be visible from “the Earth’s farthest bounds,” â?? this is impossible on a spherical earth.
Theological rebuttal: The strength of Daniel 4:10-11 as an argument for a flat Earth is considerably reduced by the fact that this part of the Book of Daniel recounts a dream experienced by the Persian king during a fit of madness. Thus, it does not necessarily refer to an actually existing tree or make any statements about real cosmology. This fact would seem to indicate that biblical literalists do not even know how to read the Bible properly. It also ignores that the New Testament claims that the Devil showed Jesus the entire world from the top of a mountain, which would not be possible on a spherical Earth:
Matthew 4:8: “Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world”
Luke 4:5: “And the devil, taking him up into an high mountain, shewed unto him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time.”
Theological rebuttal again: The strength of using Matthew and Luke as flat Earth claims is reduced by the fact that “Kingdom” is a human construct. If you classify all the places on Earth you can’t see from that particular location as “Not Kingdoms” such as barbaric tribes and non-monarchies, It can be fitted within that description. However, How the devil knows those places are not ruled by Kings (Again, the concept of “King” is also a human concept) is not exactly clear.
Isaiah 40:22: “He sits enthroned above the circle of the earth, and its people are like grasshoppers. He stretches out the heavens like a canopy, and spreads them out like a tent to live in.”
Indeed, this quote is used to prove that Bible claims that the Earth is spherical. Some scholars point out that Isaiah never uses the Modern Hebrew word for sphere Kadur anywhere. It is not clear whether this is relevant, seeing as the interpretation of the word Kadur in the bible is disputed ‘Four Corners’ Flat Earth claims
Isaiah 11:12 “And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth.”
Revelation 7:1 “And after these things I saw four angels standing on four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree.”
As with the Daniel quote, this cannot be taken literally; the events described in Revelation are a series of visions, rather than an accurate description of the world. Another interpretation of this verse is that four corners of the earth don’t refer to literal four corners but to cardinal directions, which is further supported by the description of the four winds which are commonly referenced by their cardinal direction.
It is obvious, that no scholars admit whether the Bible suggested the spherical earth. But there have been Christians and Muslims who still believe that Earth is actually flat, like Wilbur Glenn Voliva, who even offered $5000 as a prize for anyone who can prove that earth is not Flat. Although his predictions about Earth ending in 1923, 1927, 1930, and 1935 failed too.
Teaching about spherical Earth was banned in the schools of Zion, Illinois, at that time.
Mohammed Yusuf, founder of terrorist group Boko Haram stated that Theory of Evolution as well as spherical Earth teachings should be rejected because they are against Islam.
In a 2007’s TV debate, an Iraqi Astronomer, Fadhel Al-Said tried hard to push the ideas that the Earth is flat and Qur’anic verses also supports that the Sun (also flat) is much smaller than Earth and revolves around it.
Former President of the United States, Jimmy Carter, mentioned flat-earthers in passing (though he was actually speaking against mandatory teaching of creation science):
â??â??There can be no incompatibility between Christian faith and proven facts concerning geology, biology, and astronomy. There is no need to teach that stars can fall out of the sky and land on a flat Earth in order to defend our religious faith.
