Roe v. Wade: 42 Years in the Past

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[quote]Varqanir wrote:

Beans, you’re one of my favorite posters here, and this post reconfirms to me why this is so. [/quote]

Thanks man. Feeling is mutual.

[quote]I enjoyed the story of your finding faith, despite your upbringing and training to reject it. If I might ask your indulgence, here is the story of it happening the other way around.

It’s not my story, it’s the story of a beautiful young woman I was involved with for a painfully brief amount of time. [/quote]

Would love to hear more about this involvement to be honest, lol.

[quote]But there are enough parallels that it might as well be my story.

[/quote]

Good read, although I can’t find her father’s response. I wish I hadn’t read the comments though.

The knife cuts both ways it seems, and it makes me feel better about my assumptions of “you either believe or you don’t, you can fight it either way, but in the end your heart is your heart.”

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[quote]confusion wrote:
Not meaning to criticize here,just asking the question…Isn’t the Christian mission to bring others to God? To preach the gospel?[/quote]

I haven’t the faintest idea, I’m neither a Christian nor religious.

no lol.

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[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote] Pat wrote:

You have a right to be an immoral person, just own it.

[/quote]

This guy claims that morality and even human life are “constructs” and don’t actually exist. He’s a nihilist and moral reprobate.[/quote]

lmao, this.

His nonsense posts remind me of the scene from Blow, I’ll see if I can find it.

Yup, there it is. lol

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[quote]Perlenbacher15 wrote:

You don’t believe in 99.9 percent of all religions and moral absolutist guidelines, I merely believe in one less than you.
[/quote]

Annnnnd your slip, it finally shows.

I know what your other screen name is. Pretty disappointed too.

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]Perlenbacher15 wrote:

You don’t believe in 99.9 percent of all religions and moral absolutist guidelines, I merely believe in one less than you.
[/quote]

Annnnnd your slip, it finally shows.

I know what your other screen name is. Pretty disappointed too. [/quote]

What another poster used the very famous athiest statement by one of the most famous athiests alive? Must be the same poster!!!

Now if I took everyone who claimed Noah’s ark was real 5 of the posters in this thread would be one very devout christian.

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote] Pat wrote:

You have a right to be an immoral person, just own it.

[/quote]

This guy claims that morality and even human life are “constructs” and don’t actually exist. He’s a nihilist and moral reprobate.[/quote]

lmao, this.

His nonsense posts remind me of the scene from Blow, I’ll see if I can find it.

Yup, there it is. lol[/quote]

Well he does make a compelling case, seeing as weed has never killed anyone and is illegal and alcohol kills 70 thousand Americans a year and the distributors don’t get arrested but are cheered as productive businessmen…

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[quote]Varqanir wrote:

Has anyone actually denied that a living human fetus is both living and human?

[/quote]

Not directly, but let’s pull a few quotes from our favorite double posting Hich Disciple shall we?

[quote]Perlenbacher15 wrote:

There is a reason a fetus can not decide or ask to live, because it lacks the development and thus ability, it lacks consciousness, it requires its mother to survive. This firmly places the decision on the only conscious “person”, the host, whom the organism is dependent on for life.

[/quote]

You know, “host” and refusing to acknowledge it is anything other than a “fetus”, which we know, he doesn’t regard as a person. If it isn’t a person, it can’t be human.

[quote]Perlenbacher15 wrote:

Your assertion that removing cells that lack consciousness from a host whose body is nescessary for the cells to continue living

…

As for the life starts at conception line, well no clearly it does not, [/quote]

Now the baby has been reduced down from “fetus” to “cells”. Pretty obvious what his conclusion is here.

Also captured the gem here at the end that isn’t supported by any of the “science” he worships, or the “scientists” he sees as apostles. (Threw that part in for fun.)

[quote]Perlenbacher15 wrote:
Why does every prominent legitimate scientific figure not agree with the basic tennets of the pro life argument?[/quote]

Just wanted to point out one of the unsubstantiated claims he refuses to substantiate, and instead tries to fallaciously turn the burden back on those that challenge him.

[quote]Perlenbacher15 wrote:
Because a woman can have a baby and it can live outside the womb, obviously it needs to be fed but that is not the point, the point is the ability to live outside. A fetus can not live outside the womb period. It relies on biological parasitism (not a negative connotation) to derive nutrients and just to live, expulsion from the womans body would mean it could not survive.[/quote]

Baby is used when referring to “outside the womb” parasite while in it.

Yeah, isn’t hard to see where he is coming from, what he means, nor his implications.

[quote]Perlenbacher15 wrote:

Oh don’t get me wrong I don’t care how many kids get vacumed. [/quote]

And this is to back up what Sex Machine has said, and he rebuts with “you’re a moron”, lmao.

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[quote]Perlenbacher15 wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]Perlenbacher15 wrote:

You don’t believe in 99.9 percent of all religions and moral absolutist guidelines, I merely believe in one less than you.
[/quote]

Annnnnd your slip, it finally shows.

I know what your other screen name is. Pretty disappointed too. [/quote]

What another poster used the very famous athiest statement by one of the most famous athiests alive? Must be the same poster!!!

Now if I took everyone who claimed Noah’s ark was real 5 of the posters in this thread would be one very devout christian.[/quote]

It’s okay man. If I had as fucked up a world view as you, and couldn’t back up anything I said without nut hugging a bunch of atheist motivational speakers, I wouldn’t post it under my original screen name either.

It’ll stay between us, no worries.

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]confusion wrote:
Not meaning to criticize here,just asking the question…Isn’t the Christian mission to bring others to God? To preach the gospel?[/quote]

I haven’t the faintest idea, I’m neither a Christian nor religious.

no lol.

Ah ok. Lol. I like your avatar

[/quote]

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]Perlenbacher15 wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]Perlenbacher15 wrote:

You don’t believe in 99.9 percent of all religions and moral absolutist guidelines, I merely believe in one less than you.
[/quote]

Annnnnd your slip, it finally shows.

I know what your other screen name is. Pretty disappointed too. [/quote]

What another poster used the very famous athiest statement by one of the most famous athiests alive? Must be the same poster!!!

Now if I took everyone who claimed Noah’s ark was real 5 of the posters in this thread would be one very devout christian.[/quote]

It’s okay man. If I had as fucked up a world view as you, and couldn’t back up anything I said without nut hugging a bunch of atheist motivational speakers, I wouldn’t post it under my original screen name either.

It’ll stay between us, no worries. [/quote]

Righttttttt.

Cool brah.

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“Abortion is immoral”

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[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote] Pat wrote:

You have a right to be an immoral person, just own it.

[/quote]

This guy claims that morality and even human life are “constructs” and don’t actually exist. He’s a nihilist and moral reprobate.[/quote]

Just like most of the atheists on this forum, with exceptions of course most notably Kamui.
What is striking to me, based on observation, is how he and all the others who have passed through say almost exactly the same kind of stuff, the same way and yet claim to be bound by nothing and adhere to atheism because they are freethinkers. Yet, they say and do all the same stuff as if they all scripted from the same play.
I beginning to wonder if there isn’t a secret atheist bible somewhere that they are all required to memorize like the Koran.
The irony of atheists all saying and acting the same way as each other, almost always punctuated with a great deal of anger, while claiming this ‘freethinking’ motif is not lost on me.
It may not be a religion, but it’s certainly cultish. Do you agree?[/quote]

Militant atheism is certainly cultish. It’s also really childish. It’s like an inferiority complex or something.

But yes, I agree with your post. What strikes me is they don’t seem to comprehend the enormous implications of what they’re saying - ie, that morality doesn’t exist; that it’s a “construct”. That is of course moral nihilism. Of course they always deny that they’re nihilists and they try to take the moral high ground on things after saying they don’t believe in morality. All very odd but predictable as you say.[/quote]

Having lived it, with it, and seen it from the inside out… They are the very thing they hold in so much contempt. Just so happens they wear a pair of brown slacks while those they openly mock as inferior wear a black pair of slacks.

Both sets of people are wearing pants.

Edit: typos, grammer and more typos

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[quote]Perlenbacher15 wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]Perlenbacher15 wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]Perlenbacher15 wrote:

You don’t believe in 99.9 percent of all religions and moral absolutist guidelines, I merely believe in one less than you.
[/quote]

Annnnnd your slip, it finally shows.

I know what your other screen name is. Pretty disappointed too. [/quote]

What another poster used the very famous athiest statement by one of the most famous athiests alive? Must be the same poster!!!

Now if I took everyone who claimed Noah’s ark was real 5 of the posters in this thread would be one very devout christian.[/quote]

It’s okay man. If I had as fucked up a world view as you, and couldn’t back up anything I said without nut hugging a bunch of atheist motivational speakers, I wouldn’t post it under my original screen name either.

It’ll stay between us, no worries. [/quote]

Righttttttt.

Cool brah. [/quote]

Nice picture. You don’t Know any of that.

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
You don’t Know any of that. [/quote]

He has faith in it though… A lot.

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]Perlenbacher15 wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]Perlenbacher15 wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]Perlenbacher15 wrote:

You don’t believe in 99.9 percent of all religions and moral absolutist guidelines, I merely believe in one less than you.
[/quote]

Annnnnd your slip, it finally shows.

I know what your other screen name is. Pretty disappointed too. [/quote]

What another poster used the very famous athiest statement by one of the most famous athiests alive? Must be the same poster!!!

Now if I took everyone who claimed Noah’s ark was real 5 of the posters in this thread would be one very devout christian.[/quote]

It’s okay man. If I had as fucked up a world view as you, and couldn’t back up anything I said without nut hugging a bunch of atheist motivational speakers, I wouldn’t post it under my original screen name either.

It’ll stay between us, no worries. [/quote]

Righttttttt.

Cool brah. [/quote]

Nice picture. You don’t Know any of that. [/quote]

We don’t know a brain is required for consciousness? we certainly do, we can prove that, we can show how we can’t prove the soul, for example.

Ce can clearly show the mechanisms within the brain required for consciousness.

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote] Pat wrote:

You have a right to be an immoral person, just own it.

[/quote]

This guy claims that morality and even human life are “constructs” and don’t actually exist. He’s a nihilist and moral reprobate.[/quote]

Just like most of the atheists on this forum, with exceptions of course most notably Kamui.
What is striking to me, based on observation, is how he and all the others who have passed through say almost exactly the same kind of stuff, the same way and yet claim to be bound by nothing and adhere to atheism because they are freethinkers. Yet, they say and do all the same stuff as if they all scripted from the same play.
I beginning to wonder if there isn’t a secret atheist bible somewhere that they are all required to memorize like the Koran.
The irony of atheists all saying and acting the same way as each other, almost always punctuated with a great deal of anger, while claiming this ‘freethinking’ motif is not lost on me.
It may not be a religion, but it’s certainly cultish. Do you agree?[/quote]

Militant atheism is certainly cultish. It’s also really childish. It’s like an inferiority complex or something.

But yes, I agree with your post. What strikes me is they don’t seem to comprehend the enormous implications of what they’re saying - ie, that morality doesn’t exist; that it’s a “construct”. That is of course moral nihilism. Of course they always deny that they’re nihilists and they try to take the moral high ground on things after saying they don’t believe in morality. All very odd but predictable as you say.[/quote]

Having lived it, with it, and seen it from the inside out… They are the very thing they hold in so much contempt. Just so happens they wear a pair of brown slacks while those they openly mock as inferior wear a black pair of slacks.

Both sets of people are wearing pants.

Edit: typos, grammer and more typos[/quote]

As someone else said though, not all atheists are like that. But a hell of a lot are. At least 75% of atheists I’ve debated with are militant/extremists and have an inferiority complex; have to show how clever they are and how stupid everyone else is.

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[quote]Perlenbacher15 wrote:
“Abortion is immoral”

[/quote]

Does your inner scientist want to explore that a bit more deeply?

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[quote] Perlenbacher15 wrote:

We don’t know a brain is required for consciousness? we certainly do, we can prove that, we can show how we can’t prove the soul, for example.

[/quote]

I would’ve thought a clever chap like you would be able to string a few words together into a coherent sentence. We “can show how we can’t prove the soul…” What? What does that mean?

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[quote]Varqanir wrote:

[quote]maverick88 wrote:

[quote]Varqanir wrote:

[quote]tedro wrote:

[quote]pabergin wrote:

[quote]Perlenbacher15 wrote:

I recommend not doing as it is ridiculous. Claims that the earth is thousands of years old and that dinosaurs and humans lived together.

So juvenile.
[/quote]

Oh Perlenbacher, don’t be like Timon …

Pumbaa: Hey, Timon, ever wonder what those sparkly dots are up there?
Timon: Pumbaa, I don’t wonder; I know.
Pumbaa: Oh. What are they?
Timon: They’re fireflies. Fireflies that, uh… got stuck up on that big bluish-black thing.
Pumbaa: Oh, gee. I always thought they were balls of gas burning billions of miles away.
Timon: Pumbaa, with you, everything’s gas.

Scientists need to have a little imagination. They have to look up at the sky and wonder.[/quote]

Occam’s Razor says Timon may be right.
[/quote]

Heretic! Everyone knows they are pinholes in the firmament to allow the light of heaven to shine through![/quote]

Is that from the bible?[/quote]

No. Ancient Greco-Roman belief.[/quote]

Is it part of a story or were those your words?

It is a beautiful line.

When I read it I got an awesome picture in my head and now need to read more on it.

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[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote] Pat wrote:

You have a right to be an immoral person, just own it.

[/quote]

This guy claims that morality and even human life are “constructs” and don’t actually exist. He’s a nihilist and moral reprobate.[/quote]

Just like most of the atheists on this forum, with exceptions of course most notably Kamui.
What is striking to me, based on observation, is how he and all the others who have passed through say almost exactly the same kind of stuff, the same way and yet claim to be bound by nothing and adhere to atheism because they are freethinkers. Yet, they say and do all the same stuff as if they all scripted from the same play.
I beginning to wonder if there isn’t a secret atheist bible somewhere that they are all required to memorize like the Koran.
The irony of atheists all saying and acting the same way as each other, almost always punctuated with a great deal of anger, while claiming this ‘freethinking’ motif is not lost on me.
It may not be a religion, but it’s certainly cultish. Do you agree?[/quote]

Militant atheism is certainly cultish. It’s also really childish. It’s like an inferiority complex or something.

But yes, I agree with your post. What strikes me is they don’t seem to comprehend the enormous implications of what they’re saying - ie, that morality doesn’t exist; that it’s a “construct”. That is of course moral nihilism. Of course they always deny that they’re nihilists and they try to take the moral high ground on things after saying they don’t believe in morality. All very odd but predictable as you say.[/quote]

Having lived it, with it, and seen it from the inside out… They are the very thing they hold in so much contempt. Just so happens they wear a pair of brown slacks while those they openly mock as inferior wear a black pair of slacks.

Both sets of people are wearing pants.

Edit: typos, grammer and more typos[/quote]

As someone else said though, not all atheists are like that. But a hell of a lot are. At least 75% of atheists I’ve debated with are militant/extremists and have an inferiority complex; have to show how clever they are and how stupid everyone else is.[/quote]

Those extremist militants always invading countries, blowing up schools, launching crusades, preaching belief in unbelievable stories without evidence!

Damn nasty athiests.

Every time I turn on the news, I see agnostic rebels shelling the atheist strongholds.

(not just giving a pass to religious peoples claims is now sen as picking on their faith which is deemed beyond criticism)